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Was Fast and Furious All About Gun Control?
Powerline ^ | 7 December, 2011 | John Hinderaker

Posted on 12/09/2011 7:01:23 AM PST by marktwain

The Democrats have longed to impose gun control, or confiscation, for decades, but after a series of electoral defeats they finally backed off. The issue has largely receded from view, although gun owners have remained vigilant. For some time, Second Amendment advocates have suspected that the Obama administration’s gun walking program (“Fast and Furious”) was intended to create a pretext for bringing back the gun control issue. There has been a little evidence of that, but not much. Today, however, Sharyl Attkisson of CBS, who has been all over the Fast and Furious scandal and would, in a sane world, get a Pulitzer Prize, broke another scoop:

Documents obtained by CBS News show that the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) discussed using their covert operation “Fast and Furious” to argue for controversial new rules about gun sales.

ATF officials didn’t intend to publicly disclose their own role in letting Mexican cartels obtain the weapons, but emails show they discussed using the sales, including sales encouraged by ATF, to justify a new gun regulation called “Demand Letter 3″. That would require some U.S. gun shops to report the sale of multiple rifles or “long guns.” Demand Letter 3 was so named because it would be the third ATF program demanding gun dealers report tracing information.

On July 14, 2010 after ATF headquarters in Washington D.C. received an update on Fast and Furious, ATF Field Ops Assistant Director Mark Chait emailed Bill Newell, ATF’s Phoenix Special Agent in Charge of Fast and Furious:

“Bill – can you see if these guns were all purchased from the same (licensed gun dealer) and at one time. We are looking at anecdotal cases to support a demand letter on long gun multiple sales. Thanks.”

On Jan. 4, 2011, as ATF prepared a press conference to announce arrests in Fast and Furious, Newell saw it as “(A)nother time to address Multiple Sale on Long Guns issue.” And a day after the press conference, Chait emailed Newell: “Bill–well done yesterday… (I)n light of our request for Demand letter 3, this case could be a strong supporting factor if we can determine how many multiple sales of long guns occurred during the course of this case.”

Follow the link, and you can see the emails. I have reviewed hundreds of thousands of emails produced in discovery, and am acutely aware that one should not draw cosmic conclusions on the basis of a few ill-chosen words or random references. We certainly want to be fair to the Obama administration officials who were involved in Fast and Furious. But a fundamental question has never been answered: why in the world did the Obama administration not just allow AK-47s and other weapons to be shipped across the border to Mexican drug gangs, but encourage and even finance such transactions, over the objections of jittery gun shop owners and its own veteran agents? If the Obama administration wasn’t trying to set up an argument for more gun control, then what was it trying to do? That question has never been answered.

If the Obama administration did arrange for the shipment of arms to Mexican drug gangs, not for any legitimate public purpose but in order to advance a left-wing political agenda, and those guns were used to murder hundreds of Mexicans and at least one American border agent–which they were–then we are looking at a scandal that dwarfs any in modern American history. I think one would have to go back to James Buchanan, who ordered the shipment of federal armaments to the South so that they could be commandeered by secessionists when disunion came, to find a worse scandal. And one could argue that even that act by Buchanan, generally considered the worst President in American history, was motivated by principle and not politics, and therefore was not as craven as Obama’s gun walker scandal. But such a judgment would be premature. A great deal more investigation needs to be done before we can conclude that Fast and Furious was the worst scandal since pre-Civil War days.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: atf; attkisson; banglist; dea; dhs; doj; fastandfurious; fbi; gunrunner; gunwalker; holder; obama
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To: marktwain

What if the plan is simply to get more weapons on the streets so that murderous thugs can kill innocent Americans? As Obama destroys our economy, stretches the resources of public assistance and contributes to the breakdown of people who live one step away from a mistake that makes them homeless, people become more restless and hopeless. This encourages the inner cities to riot, once the spigots get turned off.

I see everything that is happening as putting all of America in one big pressure cooker, every single person is being pushed upon with greater force all the time, just waiting for that one little spark that he needs to light the fire.

And then I remember, Hillary Clinton ascribes to Alinsky’s point of view, as well.


41 posted on 12/10/2011 8:56:15 AM PST by Pan_Yans Wife ("Real solidarity means coming together for the common good."-Sarah Palin)
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To: PGalt; Dead Corpse

I’m sure whatever Dead Corpse said I agreed with. I never did see the deleted comment.


42 posted on 12/10/2011 7:31:02 PM PST by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell.)
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To: little jeremiah; PGalt
It happens. The Mods have a job to do. I guess it wasn"t "non-specific" enough. Or whatever the current legal/politically correct limit is...

And yes, I'm making a deeper point there too...

43 posted on 12/10/2011 10:05:29 PM PST by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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To: Dead Corpse

My tagline...?


44 posted on 12/10/2011 10:09:47 PM PST by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell.)
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To: little jeremiah

My last comment there was that even non-specific speculation is apparently frowned upon now. It’s a dangerous slide due to political correctness and fear.


45 posted on 12/10/2011 10:34:37 PM PST by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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To: Dead Corpse

Fear and threats, Cain’s grandchildren were threatened, that’s why he bowed out. Palin was threatened, I’ve read. The Post and Email described a long time ago that all kinds of media/talkshow people were threatened.

We’re in the middle of a coup and anyone in positions who could do or say something are sitting in the corner wetting their pants.


46 posted on 12/10/2011 10:57:37 PM PST by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell.)
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To: little jeremiah

As I said, rather than fight.... They fled. Not a good attitude to have in a President.


47 posted on 12/11/2011 8:29:44 AM PST by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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To: Dead Corpse

Long ago, the kings would ride into battle in the van of the fighting. Or at least participate in the battle. The ideal king was a warrior with courage.


48 posted on 12/11/2011 8:39:05 AM PST by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell.)
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