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Wanted: Blue-Collar Workers - Who will power America’s new industrial revolution?
City Journal ^ | Autumn 2011 | Joel Kotkin

Posted on 12/09/2011 8:43:24 PM PST by neverdem

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To: neverdem
There’s a similar excess of many postgraduate skills. Take law, which flourished in a society that had easy access to credit. Now, with the economy tepid, law schools are churning out many more graduates than the market wants. Roughly 30 percent of those passing the bar exam aren’t even working in the profession, according to a survey by the National Association for Law Placement. Another EMSI study indicates that last year, in New York State alone, the difference between the number of students graduating from law school and the number of jobs waiting for them was a whopping 7,000.

At one time, the laconic observation was that America had so many lawyers that most families had at least one as a house pet.

Now, that has nearly become reality...except at present we're graduating so many lawyers that many of them can't even pick up one of those house pet gigs.
21 posted on 12/09/2011 11:05:34 PM PST by Milton Miteybad (I am Jim Thompson. {Really.})
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To: neverdem

This article is just a rehash of many I’ve read over the past few years.
“Industry can’t find enough skilled workers, jobs going unfilled, blah, blah.” What they mean is they can’t find skilled labor at eight to ten dollars an hour.


22 posted on 12/09/2011 11:13:17 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: neverdem

What a crock of crap.

I know plenty of intelligent people who could be easily trained to do any such job mentioned in the article, The fact is that most of these business owners want highly trained (usually implicitly on the public dime) workers who will work for little more than unskilled illegals. *ANY* company that even slightly tried to have anything resembling ‘on the job training’ that would pay people a low, but livable wage while they learned skills to eventually join the ranks of the highly skilled would be BESIEGED by hundreds, even thousands of intelligent, hard working, God fearing, grateful, English speaking native born Americans. While I don’t like taxes any more than anyone else, the fact is that a really good vocational education program is going to cost money. One cannot gripe about the lack of trained workers and promulgate cutting funding for the high schools and the junior colleges, at least where I live.

We need to model our vocational system after that of Germany. A non college but still rigorous technical training program available to any citizen at a reasonable cost.


23 posted on 12/09/2011 11:21:50 PM PST by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca, Deport all illegals, abolish the IRS, DEA and ATF.)
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To: neverdem
Some of these numbers are hard to believe.

“...average annual earnings of $73,000...”

65,000 oil wells in Ohio.

At 40 barrels a day, about the national average, that means Ohio pumps 25% of USA production - wrong!

Besides that, though...

The most important thing about manufacturing jobs is that almost all of them are blue collar.

The air temp is too hot or too cold - you often get dirty - you often sweat - you often stand the whole day - you usually do highly repetitive tasks - you get physically tired - your co-workers tend to have below average verbal skills and below average curiosity - managers treat you with less respect and less tolerance than they treat their white collar peers - and the production quota, there is always, always, always a vigorously enforced quota.

I mean, here's the true test...

How often have you seen your kids and their friends sit around and talk about their “dream” manufacturing job?

Never, that's how often.

24 posted on 12/09/2011 11:46:04 PM PST by zeestephen
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To: TonyInOhio

“The easiest way to make $75,000 a year as an Ohio resident is to become a public school teacher. I wish I was kidding.”

Here in NJ that was the way, until Governor Christie capped our property taxes. This caused non-tenured teachers (as well as some tenured ones) to lose their jobs as the funds ran out to pay them while still giving the surviving teachers their ridiculous pay/benefits packages, and promised long-term unemployment to recent “education” graduates as those already in those positions dug in to keep them. They know they are an anomaly, and are unemployable outside of the public school classroom.


25 posted on 12/09/2011 11:49:16 PM PST by kearnyirish2
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To: org.whodat

I agree; if these jobs were out there in any real numbers people would be flocking to them.

Since anyone can see that the employment picture is dismal, I guess the new strategy is to find a small niche where things are better and trumpet it as a success (or blame Americans for being too lazy to get the training/do the work).


26 posted on 12/09/2011 11:55:36 PM PST by kearnyirish2
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To: neverdem

My brother works for a company that builds large boats and ships...ferries etc. Recently his company let go of all the unskilled workers (younger ones not learning a craft) and kept all the older workers. What will they do without the older guys? My brother is now 57 years old.


27 posted on 12/09/2011 11:56:42 PM PST by tinamina
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To: neverdem

“A recent study by the economic forecasting firm EMSI found that fewer computer programmers have jobs now than in 2008.”

The news gets worse.

Here in Seattle, ONE THIRD of computer programmers are foreign born.

This is absolutely a money issue.

Through so called “temporary” work visas and “internships,” companies like Microsoft have crushed salaries for first year and mid-level USA born programmers.

28 posted on 12/10/2011 12:05:21 AM PST by zeestephen
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To: zeestephen

“Through so called “temporary” work visas and “internships,” companies like Microsoft have crushed salaries for first year and mid-level USA born programmers.”

That, BTW, is a mortal sin.


29 posted on 12/10/2011 12:37:24 AM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: tinamina

The situation in US Mfg is becoming very dire relative to an expected bulge of retirements in the next 5 years that will include a lot of the skilled/knowledge employees and managers. Predictions are varied but there will a shortfall of millions of employees of all types needed in manufacturing. I blame the failed ‘everybody must have a college degree’, the pig ignorant state and federal government and US business & business orgs which has been unable to stand up and be heard!
This organization, NTMA, the National Tooling and Machining Association list of small cap precision machining/metalworking companies...http://www.ntma.org/members/directory/.


30 posted on 12/10/2011 12:41:14 AM PST by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: neverdem

ping


31 posted on 12/10/2011 1:00:53 AM PST by Democrat_media (China is destroying all our jobs and manufacturing ability. China makes everything.)
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To: PGR88

The new machines for CNC are so sophisticated that Mechanical engineers receive top dollar pay to run them at Honeywell in Kansas. And they are picky about where the engineers come from - local talent is best they have said on more than one occasion. Preferably Kansas and Missouri graduates do best. And they get top dollar. But they (the engineers) aren’t in a design or a career track so there is that tradeoff. But the future is extremely bright for anyone who knows how to run any kind of manufacturing equipment.


32 posted on 12/10/2011 3:05:10 AM PST by x_plus_one (Obama: Brainwashing the masses to believe that racism is a greater danger than radical Islam)
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To: neverdem
Wanted: Blue-Collar Workers - Who will power America’s new industrial revolution?

Nobody; as it costs too much.

The ONLY way to get the 'jobs' back is to make it cost effective.

33 posted on 12/10/2011 3:26:36 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: neverdem
Yet across the heartland, even in high-unemployment areas, one hears the same concern: a shortage of skilled workers capable of running increasingly sophisticated, globally competitive factories.

Bull!

It COSTS too much!

Does ANYone really think that the worker bees in foreign factorys are more SKILLED than us?

34 posted on 12/10/2011 3:28:26 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: PGR88
I know firms that simply can not find enough young people who can read, don’t do drugs, are willing to learn something new, and will show up on time. Its surprising the amount of people who can’t manage even that.

And just WHY are they looking for YOUNG people?

They'll work for LESS than the older ones!

35 posted on 12/10/2011 3:29:39 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: org.whodat
...he wanted to pay them 1980 labor rates.
36 posted on 12/10/2011 3:30:49 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: tiki

yup!


37 posted on 12/10/2011 3:31:25 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: rabscuttle385
A new hire in this position must have knowledge of programming, metallurgy, cutting-tool technology, geometry, drafting, and engineering.

Yeah...

Sure...

38 posted on 12/10/2011 3:32:18 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: zeestephen
This is absolutely a money issue.
39 posted on 12/10/2011 3:34:41 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: dsc
That, BTW, is a mortal sin.

Nope; plain ol' supply and demand: Economics 101

40 posted on 12/10/2011 3:35:55 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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