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State, local policies emerge on illegal immigrants
Opelika Auburn News ^ | December 11, 2011 | LISA RATHKE | Associated Press

Posted on 12/11/2011 6:17:01 PM PST by moonshinner_09

MONTPELIER, Vt. - The two Mexican farmworkers were nervous. Seated in a pickup truck whose driver had been stopped for speeding on a Vermont highway, they didn't know what to expect from the state trooper.

They'd heard of other farmworkers being detained or deported in the largely white state, whose $560 million dairy industry relies on Mexican farmhands like them. But one of the men also had been in a similar stop in New York and didn't get bothered.

(Excerpt) Read more at 2.oanow.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Vermont
KEYWORDS: aliens; immigration; vt
This all stems from the following..

Lopez and Sandoval were riding in the truck when the driver was pulled over on Interstate 89 in Middlesex. During the stop, Hatch questioned the two passengers and learned that they may be living in the United States illegally.

Troopers contacted the U.S. Border Patrol and the two men were held at the State Police barracks in Middlesex until they could be processed at the Border Patrol station in Richford. Lopez' immigration hearing in Boston is scheduled for Dec. 6.

The traffic stop prompted Gov. Peter Shumlin to change the state police policy on dealing with suspected illegal immigrants. Under the amended bias-free policing policy, state police will not ask an individual about immigration status.

The commission decision followed a finding in October by an advisory group that said the trooper acted properly and without bias. The State Police Advisory Commission said Hatch had probable cause to stop the vehicle and acted according to his training in questioning the occupants when they seemed excessively nervous, gave inconsistent answers and failed to make eye contact.

But the commission found "reasonable grounds to believe that the law was violated by the officer's actions focusing on the passengers based on race, color, national origin," Appel said.

Read more: http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/article/Vt-panel-supports-Mexican-farmworkers-complaint-2339865.php#ixzz1gHYQocck What more can I say.?

1 posted on 12/11/2011 6:17:10 PM PST by moonshinner_09
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To: moonshinner_09
whose $560 million dairy industry relies on Mexican farmhands like them.

So tell me how did the stupid cows get milked before imported Mexican slaves where brought in?

2 posted on 12/11/2011 6:21:25 PM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: moonshinner_09
whose $560 million dairy industry relies on Mexican farmhands like them.

So tell me how did the stupid cows get milked before imported Mexican slaves where brought in?

3 posted on 12/11/2011 6:21:58 PM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: moonshinner_09

It’s amazing.

A police officer can stop me. order me out of my car.
Ask if he can search my car. When I say no, that is the basis he uses to have a reasonable suspiscion that I have something illegal in my car and have it searched.

But if I am Mexican or Hispanic he cannot even ask if I am in the country legally.

What a boatload of crap.


4 posted on 12/11/2011 6:23:13 PM PST by Venturer
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To: Venturer

They have nothing to worry about. The Illegals have more rights than the citizens or troopers.


5 posted on 12/11/2011 6:27:29 PM PST by rbg81
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To: moonshinner_09

I always carry a sombrero and poncho when driving.


6 posted on 12/11/2011 6:27:55 PM PST by bunkerhill7
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To: bunkerhill7

Good idea might better get one myself... To get this special treatment


7 posted on 12/11/2011 6:30:27 PM PST by moonshinner_09
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To: Venturer

“Ask if he can search my car. When I say no, that is the basis he uses to have a reasonable suspiscion that I have something illegal in my car and have it searched.”

That’s not correct.


8 posted on 12/11/2011 6:30:53 PM PST by webstersII
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To: moonshinner_09

Thanks for posting this. These guys need to be dealt with.


9 posted on 12/11/2011 6:35:13 PM PST by Press 1 for Free Speech
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To: moonshinner_09
You know if we're able to create a more just and sort of humane response to a sort of broken immigration system here, then it can have ripple effects," said Brendan O'Neill of the VT Migrant Farmworker Solidarity Project.

we do NOT have "a broken immigration system".

We have a willfully abrogated immigration law enforcement system.

10 posted on 12/11/2011 6:38:53 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (Si, se puede: uno inmigrante ilegale a la vez! Mi corazón sangra como un nabo*. *turnip)
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To: webstersII

“That’s not correct’’< Yeah? Try telling that to a cop. The 4th. Amendment protections don’t extend to your car. The state gives you the ‘’privilege’’( a privilege is not a right) of a drivers license, the state can poke it’s nose into your car anytime it wants. I found this out the hard way.


11 posted on 12/11/2011 6:42:15 PM PST by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: Venturer

No habla ingles.


12 posted on 12/11/2011 6:42:15 PM PST by Pelham (Islam. The original Evil Empire)
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To: Venturer
A police officer can stop me. order me out of my car. Ask if he can search my car. When I say no, that is the basis he uses to have a reasonable suspiscion that I have something illegal in my car and have it searched.

Actually, he can't.

At least, it used to be that he couldn't. Maybe now he can. But, if so, it's a recent development (last 5 years or so).

13 posted on 12/11/2011 6:46:29 PM PST by PENANCE
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To: Venturer
...then I say no, that is the basis he uses to have a reasonable suspiscion that I have something illegal in my car and have it searched.

That is incorrect and anything that came of that search would not be admissible. Any search, even with a warrant should be the first thing a defense lawyer looks at to win a case. There are too many ways for the government to make a mistake. PC for the warrant, the warrant itself, scope, execution, chain of custody, etc.

14 posted on 12/11/2011 6:52:20 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: moonshinner_09; devolve; ntnychik; PhilDragoo; All
Obama has hampered and put restrictions on the ability to deport these illegals. We read all the time about them taking jobs away from American citizens but look at this;

Crackdown on illegal immigrants left crops rotting in Georgia fields, ag chief tells lawmakers.

An informal survey showed farmers of onions, watermelons and other handpicked crops lacked more than 11,000 [ ELEVEN THOUSAND !] workers during their spring and summer harvest. Farmers say that's because the Georgia immigration law scared off many migrant workers. Similar complaints are being heard in Alabama with its tough new law.

http://blog.al.com/wire/2011/10/crackdown_on_illegal_immigrant.html

I've read of apple tree loses in other states, etc. Where are the Americans seeking to do this? Eleven thousand jobs were made available!

15 posted on 12/11/2011 6:53:18 PM PST by potlatch (*snip*~ Having the right to be angry does not give one the right to be cruel. ~*snip*)
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To: USNBandit

Well of course you are right. Once you refuse they must get a warrant, so what they do is have your car towed and impounded, then they rip it apart and you are sucking hind Teat.


16 posted on 12/11/2011 6:58:44 PM PST by Venturer
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To: central_va

“So tell me how did the stupid cows get milked before imported Mexican slaves where brought in?”

That was before permanent classes who simply don’t expect to have to work.


17 posted on 12/11/2011 6:59:26 PM PST by truth_seeker
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To: central_va

“So tell me how did the stupid cows get milked before imported Mexican slaves where brought in?”

That was before permanent classes who simply don’t expect to have to work.


18 posted on 12/11/2011 6:59:35 PM PST by truth_seeker
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To: webstersII

See my Post 16.

If you think an officer asks to search your car and you are going to get back in and drive away after saying No, I believe you will find out different.


19 posted on 12/11/2011 7:02:09 PM PST by Venturer
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To: potlatch

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Obama is planning on mandating new regs that prohibits anyone under

- 16

- 15

- 18

- 21

- 36

(pick the correct age or make` one up)

from

- operating farm vehicles without a license

- operating farm machinery

- working on a farm or ranch

- leering at the farmer’s daughter

(pick whatever you heard or make up something else)

.


20 posted on 12/11/2011 7:38:37 PM PST by devolve (- - - - - - - - - - - - - - when did FR become DU? - - - - - - - - - - - - - -)
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To: devolve

I would still like an answer what I posted above. On a Rick Perry thread a freeper from Alabama ranted about Perry and illegals. I asked him who was picking the crops since the illegals left for other states and he denied that there was any problem about getting the crops picked.

Denial.....not a river in Egypt......maybe an empty fruit bowl


21 posted on 12/11/2011 7:45:31 PM PST by potlatch (*snip*~ Having the right to be angry does not give one the right to be cruel. ~*snip*)
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To: truth_seeker
That was before permanent classes who simply don’t expect to have to work.

BS it is a question of supply and demand. The wage is too low so to undercut it they smuggle in imported slaves. It is your attitude that is causing the problem. If the milk can't be collected legally then slaughter the cows for meat and burn down the barns. I would rather pay a little more for milk then pay for the "cheap" labors education medical and welfare. Nothing is more expensive than cheap labor.

22 posted on 12/11/2011 8:08:57 PM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: potlatch

Seemed like there were plenty of watermelons, onions and beans at my local Food Lion. If a “farmer” is using illegal aliens to pick his crop then he is running a criminal operation not a farm. No better than a cocaine “farmer” in Columbia SA.


23 posted on 12/11/2011 8:13:20 PM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: potlatch

I hope every farmer that uses illegals goes out of business and every bit of their BS crop rots in the field. I also a hope a drunk illegal runs his butt over.


24 posted on 12/11/2011 8:16:01 PM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

The whole point is that there were 11 thousand job openings that everyone says Americans will take, what happened?


25 posted on 12/11/2011 8:19:22 PM PST by potlatch (*snip*~ Having the right to be angry does not give one the right to be cruel. ~*snip*)
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To: potlatch

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I don’t know where they are potlatch!

Maybe they went with Obama to see the Army-Navy football game.

They aren’t here - I looked outside a minute ago.

.


26 posted on 12/11/2011 8:29:07 PM PST by devolve (- - - - - - - - - - - - - - when did FR become DU? - - - - - - - - - - - - - -)
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To: potlatch
The whole point is that there were 11 thousand job openings that everyone says Americans will take, what happened?

Who cares? As long as 11,000 illegals didn't get imported America won. It appears the crops rotted. The farmer(s) could have paid more but chose not too. Hopefully those farmers learned their lesson and are pursuing honest way to make a living.

27 posted on 12/11/2011 8:31:14 PM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va; moonshinner_09

Vermont is a joke.

A geographically beautiful state,with towns so quaint and lovely they almost look fake,many wealthy New York transplants,the crunchy granola artist types,and of course virtually no minorities.

If they truly cared they would bring in busloads of poor folk from Detroit and South Chicago. They could help them turn their lives around.


28 posted on 12/11/2011 8:33:21 PM PST by Mears (Alcohol. Tobacco. Firearms. What's not to like?)
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To: Venturer

“It’s amazing.

A police officer can stop me. order me out of my car.
Ask if he can search my car. When I say no, that is the basis he uses to have a reasonable suspicion that I have something illegal in my car and have it searched.

But if I am Mexican or Hispanic he cannot even ask if I am in the country legally.

What a boatload of crap.”

In today’s America, citizenship has become a hindrance.


29 posted on 12/11/2011 8:34:10 PM PST by headstamp 2 (Time to move forward not to the center.)
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To: devolve

......it seems to be a La De Da moment......


30 posted on 12/11/2011 9:09:40 PM PST by potlatch (*snip*~ Having the right to be angry does not give one the right to be cruel. ~*snip*)
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To: moonshinner_09

This article is authored by one Lisa Rathke. Isn’t Rathke the family name of the brothers who formed and ran ACORN?


31 posted on 12/11/2011 9:46:39 PM PST by Rembrandt (.. AND the donkey you rode in on.)
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To: devolve

I believe it will also be illegal for them to be on a ladder that is over 6 feet tall and they won’t be able to de-sex corn. But if they are a public school student they will learn how to properly don a condom.


32 posted on 12/11/2011 10:25:54 PM PST by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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