Posted on 12/16/2011 6:08:38 AM PST by Titus-Maximus
The prospect of an energy source that is environmentally clean and free has also been considered a Utopian ideal, something that won't happen in real life. Andrea Rossi's Energy Catalyzer or E-Cat for short is now promising to bring about that Utopia as the dream of cheap energy could suddenly become real.
The E-Cat is a cold fusion device that works fuses hydrogen atoms with nickel to transform it into copper. The resulting fusion reaction creates heat that will drive a turbine. The turbine would then generate electricity. Andrea Rossi and physicist Sergio Focardi have demonstrated the device last October and the E-Cat actually produced an average of 470 kilowatts for more than five hours.
Despite the promising results there are still many questions left unanswered about the E-Cat. For one thing Rossi is tight-lipped about the secret catalyst that's supposed to transform nickel into copper. Scientists are still unconvinced about the device and only repeated demonstrations can prove that it will work for the long term. The process has to be verified and tested exhaustively. Still if the device actually works, there could be a technological revolution that will transform the world.
Ultra cheap energy would be a boon to the flagging world economy. Manufacturers will be able to provide cheaper goods. Households will have a cheaper utility bill which means extra cash to buy products on the market. Energy intensive industries will become more financially feasible.
Transportation will also be affected. With cheaper electricity, electric cars will be a better alternative than combustion engine cars. If the E-Cat works it can be used as a steam engine to propel trucks, trains and even planes. The trucking and shipping industry will be transformed. Shipping prices will go down.
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The problem is that the copper supposedly produced by the E-Cat has the same relative isotopic abundances as naturally-occuring copper which conclusively demonstrates that the device was seeded with copper.
It will only take one of these devices being in private hands, outside of Rossi’s control, and having that device run successfully for many days to demonstrate that Rossi is or is not selling a scam. We will know shortly.Rossi has been able to do this for at least a year, and has consistently refused to do so. What makes you think "we will know shortly"?
Rossi certainly looks like he's setting up an investment scam, and those can run for years, even decades, without ever delivering an actual device to end-users. As long as he can continue to convince gullible investors that he's making progress, he can continue to collect money for nothing.
Powder..patch..ball FIRE!
You are so smart! Ohhhh!
Hot fusion is a dead end and a research money pit. They’ve been telling us it was 10 years away for the last 40 years.
LENR reactions are an overlooked source of energy. And once I did a search on commercial Nickel catalysts found that they are used worldwide for cracking operations where hydrogen has to be freed in a chemical reaction.
It doesn’t seem to far fetched to me that there are viable nickel catalysts that can do the trick. Rossi just isn’t telling.
Oh yeah, they said man ocould never fly, umm we could never go to the moon, room temperature semi-conductors were science fiction oh and my favorite. The world is flat.
NO! Should read:
"Scientists are still unconvinced about the device and only repeated multiple, independent replications of results by independent (even skeptical) scientists -- with all components fabricated and assembled independently can prove that it will work for the long term."
There have already been too many "hocus-pokus" "demonstrations" run by Rossi, the scamster.
It isn't even cheap power. Neither is Rossi’s cold fusion (”no, it's not cold fusion, it's Low Energy Nuclear Reaction”) water heater at a couple million per device.
So far more hot air than hot water has been produced. Remember only one device has been sold (Rossi says) and the so called demonstration was a demonstration of a optimistic sales pitch and little more.
The world hasn't been impacted, fossil fuel stocks aren't in a sell off as a result, darkest Africa will be just as dark next year, and my Sears hot water heater will serve me quite well. Yeee Hawwww.
not much difference between this scam..and “green energy” ...”electric cars” .....”hot fusion”...and “globull warming/climate change”.....except that the hook tends to be a little prettier...and has a LOT more individuals and organizations on the line....
Only science ignoramuses equate catalyzed CHEMICAL reactions with NUCLEAR reactions.
Checked your head for a dunce cap lately?
Because turning iron into anything else, either by fusion or fission uses energy, rather than producing energy. Ever look at the curve of nuclear binding energy?
Rossi may be a huckster running a scam, but his theory as to what is going on is within the realm of physical possibility, at least using standard binding energy calculations. If he ever gives permission for someone else to build an experimental model to his specs and it works, or someone else manages to get energy out of a Ni to Cu transformation in a properly controlled laboratory experiment, then we'll know he isn't.
PRECISELY!
No, the process posited to run his devices does not violate any laws of thermodynamics, at least not once the notion of energy is corrected for the interconvertibility of mass and energy given Einstein’s famous E = mc^2 (without which all nuclear reactions would appear to violate conservation of energy). The binding energy of the isotope of copper produced is lower than that of the nickel isotope, and there is no binding energy in a bare proton. The tiny mass difference between the proton plus nickle nucleus and the copper nucleus is what is supposedly being released by Rossi’s device.
I have no idea whether it’s real or a scam, but there are adequate theoretical explanations for the process that it can’t be dismissed.
What Rossi really does is turn bull$#!^ into money.
Could someone give me an example of a ‘catalyst’ which induces a nuclear reaction?
Either fission or fusion examples would be acceptable...
But you’ve got to overcome the Coulombic repulsion. It’s hard enough to do with deuterium and tritium, where you have a grand total of three postive charges to overcome. To overcome the repulsion between nickel (positive charge of 28) and a proton will be quite a challenge.
Silliness. Using this same logic, you could say that anything is possible, when clearly it is not. I say its impossible to be unaffected by firing a .357 into your head. Wanna make a bet?
Obviously, then, you do not understand what is going on in there. Neither do I, but that is not to say that it is any less real.
Who knows?
At any rate it has nothing to do with me, and time will tell if it is real or not. All I can say is that if this is a hoax, it has duped a large number of people who ought to know better under some pretty strict conditions of test. The rest of us can speculate all we like, as a kind of parlor game, but none of us are impacted at all one way or the other, so short of a final resolution, I'll stand on the sidelines.
No one disputes that "tunneling" is a real phenomenon. There are some disputes about how it occurs and whether or not we can ever control it at micro-quantity levels and relatively low aggregate temperatures.
The principle of conservation of energy is fully addressed in any serious discussion of the Strong Nuclear Force ~ we do, in fact, break atoms apart and release energy, and we do, in fact, fuse neutrons and protons to atomic nuclei on a regular basis ~ sometimes with brute force, and sometimes not.
LENR theory proposes that there are "windows of opportunity" in and among all those hot spots where we can do these things an atom at a time and take advantage of the released energy.
You know what screwed Sutter at Sutter's Mill in California? He shoulda' been the richest man in the world, but he didn't end up that way.
What happened is that after 3/4 of a century of Spanish settlers, soldiers, and priests, as well as American trappers and traders, and Russian trappers and traders finding gold, pocketing it, and being able to buy what they wanted where they wanted, and retire at early ages SOME IDIOT GAVE AWAY THE SECRET THAT THERE WAS GOLD AT SUTTER'S MILL!
We also do "hot fusion" with ease ~ there are several thousand devices that can do it ON COMMAND ~ they are called, popularly, Hydrogen Bombs.
The tokamak approach to hot fusion has been a multibillion dollar scam.
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