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Bless the Beasts (Should conservatives care about animal suffering?)
National Review ^ | 12/16/2011 | Claire Berlinski

Posted on 12/16/2011 7:29:56 AM PST by SeekAndFind

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To: SeekAndFind
separated from its mother at birth; confined its whole life to a pen in which it could not lie down to sleep or even turn around; castrated without anesthetic; force-fed; maddened by pain, fear, and sensory deprivation; and often inadequately stunned before slaughter, and therefore boiled and dismembered while still conscious?

Oh! I though he was describing human fetus abortion. Actually he is describing the murder of human babies, just not intentionally. Which yields the obvious question, "How is it moral to protect animals and not protect human babies?"

61 posted on 12/16/2011 9:10:43 AM PST by Louis Foxwell (Government must be taken back from the thieves who have stolen it.)
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To: ohioman

The USA is a moral nation...NAZI Germany wasn’t. Agreed on steaks though...had one last night.


62 posted on 12/16/2011 9:12:44 AM PST by americanophile ("this absurd theology of an immoral Bedouin, is a rotting corpse which poisons our lives" - Ataturk)
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To: 1rudeboy
I read all of it hoping to find something that wasn't just liberal BS spew, I didn't find anything but that.

PETA or any of the animal-rights nutballs could have penned that tripe.

63 posted on 12/16/2011 9:14:18 AM PST by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard
An animal is not a person. If we take our religion seriously, it does not have a soul.

An intelligent dog can recognize about as many words as a human child 2 yrs. old. Do you think children, because they are inferior in intelligence and responsibility, are less worthy of protection than adults? Dogs and some other animals display a loyalty to their human companions beyond that of most humans. There is a Christian argument for kindness toward beasts: we are their superiors, and have been entrusted with their welfare by our common creator. There is also a materialistic, evolutionary argument: our Neolithic ancestors rose out of a desperate existence because of their ability to nurture and raise domestic animals. They survived because the animals in their care survived. Therefore love of animals is hard-wired into normal human beings. I would never trust anyone who was not affectionate toward and grateful toward animals.

64 posted on 12/16/2011 9:15:39 AM PST by hellbender
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To: Beagle8U

Which leads to my next question: are you familiar with the sort of tripe that PETA spews?


65 posted on 12/16/2011 9:16:01 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: SeekAndFind
stupid title

no sane person supports animal cruelty or unnecessary suffering

66 posted on 12/16/2011 9:16:01 AM PST by Charlespg
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To: Slings and Arrows; SeekAndFind
The title is bass ackwards. The leftist author should replace "Conservatives" with "Liberals" in the title.

It's the Liberals who have the hardest time coping and it is they who take it out on their animals.


67 posted on 12/16/2011 9:17:08 AM PST by Lady Jag (Laws are spider webs through which the big flies pass and the little ones get caught)
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To: 1rudeboy

Yes, as is every other sportsman, hunter, and shooter in the world.


68 posted on 12/16/2011 9:19:36 AM PST by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: SeekAndFind
Some virtues are by accidents of history associated with utopianism, hostility to private property, anti-clericalism, and other core beliefs of the Left. I can scandalize a yoga instructor anywhere in the world by declaring myself an avid admirer of Margaret Thatcher, though I challenge you to read the yoga sutras and conclude from them that devotees must favor an overregulated financial sector.

Concern for the welfare and dignity of animals is such an issue, associated with nihilist leftists such as Peter Singer and local totalitarians who seek to regulate pets out of existence. But one need not believe that animals have been endowed with all the rights of humans to insist that they are more than a commodity that tastes good.

I agree 100%. There's something wrong with a person who doesn't love animals. And while they (animals) aren't people, neither are they robots. And most importantly of all, they were created by G-d for us.

It isn't just the Left that has co-opted love of animals. The European anti-Semitic Right also has a long history of nature worship and attacking Jews as "alienated from nature." This despite the fact that it was the Jewish G-d Who created nature in the first place!

The proper treatment of animals is addressed fully in Noachide Halakhah (one of the Seven Laws forbids eating a limb cut from an animal while it was still alive). All this being said, it remains a truism that it is forbidden to add to these laws as secularists do.

69 posted on 12/16/2011 9:21:43 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu.)
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To: hellbender

Very well said. And though I know you did not say this, it’s ridiculous to accuse someone that is uncertain of whether or not the Lord chose to endow a dog with some type of everlasting quality as a person who doesn’t “take our religion seriously”


70 posted on 12/16/2011 9:22:21 AM PST by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: chuckles
I think you're wrong. ..and I do not see anyone equating animals with people.
I strongly believe that God would make Heaven, a true Heaven, by putting our beloved pets (and some pets we love more than people)....in Heaven with us. For a lot of people it would not be Heaven without them..
Read the books. The author explains everything from Bible quotes. My conscience chooses to believe...
71 posted on 12/16/2011 9:24:14 AM PST by Fawn (NEWT FOR PRESIDENT 2012~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: knarf
As I understand it ... animals have no soul, thus no "God conciousness".

On some level everything that G-d has created knows Him. This was universally understood before the Left co-opted animals and nature.

So what we interpret with those puppy dog eyes as love is something more associated with feeding and ease rather than an inate love for another kind.

Anyone who has ever had a pet knows that his pets love him.

72 posted on 12/16/2011 9:25:21 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu.)
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To: Beagle8U
As soon as I saw Wayne Pacelle listed, I stopped listening. HSUS is PETA in a suit disguised as your local pet shelter.

Irony is that hunters are usually the best friends you'll ever see to non game animals.

73 posted on 12/16/2011 9:27:23 AM PST by Darren McCarty (Anybody but Romney or Obama)
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To: americanophile

Conservatives, by nature, are empathetic. So we not only treat our own animals well.

We also wish humane practices toward work animals and food animals during slaughter.

The bible indicates in Proverbs that mercies, even to animals are character qualities of a good man: “The righteous man regardeth the life of his beast; but the tender mercies of the wicked are cruel.

The liberal, however, or statist, is cruel to humans and is found to be not less so to animals.

Think about it.


74 posted on 12/16/2011 9:28:35 AM PST by TFMcGuire (Liberalism Is Hatred)
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To: Beagle8U

As a hunter, sportsman, and shooter . . . I would hope that you didn’t suffer from knee-jerk reactions so terribly.


75 posted on 12/16/2011 9:29:14 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: SeekAndFind

I resent the implication that if I do not become a vegan and support the right of snail darters to sue in Federal Court, I don’t care about animals and endorse the idea of animal cruelty.


76 posted on 12/16/2011 9:30:15 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: chuckles

I am making a covenant with you and your descendants, and with the animals you brought with you — all these birds and livestock and wild animals. Genesis 9:8-12

“For every animal among the trees is Mine, and the cattle on a thousand hills” (Psalm 50:10-11 NLV)

“Why did you beat your donkey those three times?” the angel of the Lord demanded. “Look, I have come to block your way because you are stubbornly resisting me. Three times the donkey saw me and shied away; otherwise, I would certainly have killed you by now and spared the donkey” (Numbers 22:32-33).

“In that day I will make a covenant for them with the beasts of the field and the birds of the air and the creatures that move along the ground. Bow and sword and battle I will abolish from the land, so that all may lie down in safety.” (Hosea 2:18)

No reference to animals having souls and yet God still makes sacred covenants with His creation.

Saving an animal from tragedy? What was the Ark for or was Noah stupid to ‘save the animals too.’ Noah was told to save the animals...what were we to learn in the action?

Surely the verse from Hosea describes something? What might that be?


77 posted on 12/16/2011 9:31:45 AM PST by EBH (God Humbles Nations, Leaders, and Peoples before He uses them for His Purpose)
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To: Maverick68
I am pro hunting and fishing and abhor animal cruelty.

'Amen!

78 posted on 12/16/2011 9:36:12 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu.)
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To: Owl_Eagle
God put animals here for three reasons: To feed us, to do our work, and to entertain us. If you deliberately mistreat them, they don’t taste as good, don’t work as hard, and terrorize rather than entertain.

And for clothing as well. Animals may be harvested just as plants may be harvested, provided it is in accordance to G-d's Laws.

It is forbidden to add to or subtract from G-d's Laws.

79 posted on 12/16/2011 9:40:07 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

I am pro hunting and fishing and abhor animal cruelty.
‘Amen!

Exactamente!


80 posted on 12/16/2011 9:40:22 AM PST by TFMcGuire (Liberalism Is Hatred)
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