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Errant Bullet Travels 1.5 Miles, Kills Amish Girl
WLWT ^ | 12:01 pm EST December 20, 2011 | WLWT

Posted on 12/20/2011 9:38:28 AM PST by TSgt

FREDERICKSBURG, Ohio -- An Ohio sheriff says a man cleaning his muzzle-loading rifle accidentally shot and killed a 15-year-old Amish girl driving a horse-drawn buggy more than a mile away.

Holmes County Sheriff Timothy Zimmerly said Tuesday that the accident occurred Thursday night when a man fired his loaded rifle to clean it. He says the victim, Rachel Yoder of Fredericksburg, was nearly 1.5 miles away when she was shot in the head.

No charges have been filed.

Yoder was shot while traveling to her home in adjacent Wayne County, between Columbus and Akron. She was riding alone after attending a Christmas party for employees, most under 18 years old, who work at an Amish produce farm.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: amish; banglist; bullet; crime; ohio; rachelyoder; shooting; yoder
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1 posted on 12/20/2011 9:38:30 AM PST by TSgt
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To: TSgt

I just read about tho in our local paper.It s very sad but I am relieved to hear it was an accident and not someone targeting a buggy like thy wondered at first.


2 posted on 12/20/2011 9:40:28 AM PST by chris_bdba
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To: TSgt

Terrible.


3 posted on 12/20/2011 9:41:09 AM PST by Tallguy (It's all 'Fun and Games' until somebody loses an eye!)
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To: TSgt

When I read about this this morning they hadn’t determined the source of the projectile.


4 posted on 12/20/2011 9:41:18 AM PST by cripplecreek (Stand with courage or shut up and do as you're told.)
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To: TSgt

This is stupid on the part of the shooter. Firing a weapon without having a clue where that projectile is going is inexcusable to me.


5 posted on 12/20/2011 9:41:49 AM PST by Emmett McCarthy
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To: chris_bdba

Let’s try that again....I just read about this in our local paper.It is very sad but I am relieved to hear it was an accident and not someone targeting a buggy like they wondered about at first.


6 posted on 12/20/2011 9:41:59 AM PST by chris_bdba
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To: TSgt

Sad, and stupid.

As an aside, I never thought of muzzle loaders as being able to fire that far.


7 posted on 12/20/2011 9:43:34 AM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Emmett McCarthy

The Arabs do it all the time in the Middle East. That’s how they celebrate.


8 posted on 12/20/2011 9:44:38 AM PST by Past Your Eyes (Some people are too stupid to be ashamed.)
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To: TSgt

sorry, not buying it.

There’s no way to know the shot came from THAT firearm.


9 posted on 12/20/2011 9:45:14 AM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: TSgt

Basic rule of firearms safety. Know where the damn round is going.


10 posted on 12/20/2011 9:46:16 AM PST by Busywhiskers ("Once you have wrestled, everything else in life is easy" -Dan Gable)
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To: TSgt

This MORON ought to be barred from ever owning another firearm. He VIOLATED one of the cardinal rules by firing into the air with NO idea where the projectile would land. Geezz...Tragic!


11 posted on 12/20/2011 9:46:21 AM PST by Dick Bachert (Obozo deserves another term: IN LEAVENWORTH. 25 to life sounds about right!)
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To: TSgt
Idiot should be charged with manslaughter.
12 posted on 12/20/2011 9:46:45 AM PST by Tex-Con-Man (T. Coddington Van Voorhees VII 2012 - "Together, I Shall Ride You To Victory")
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To: Emmett McCarthy

Make sure of your backstop. Some guy in Sheepshead Bay in Brooklyn was shooting at sharks, using the Belt Parkway as a backstop and the inevitable happened.

I remember seeing a story on City Confidential (iirc) where a young man was killed by a shot “out of nowhere”. Turned out some idiot was playing Rambo at a nearby shooting range and fire wildly over the backstop and killed the poor guy.

BTW, I am not sure that it was an accident, he might have been tempted to see if he could hit a moving target a mile and a half away. Who in the Hell “cleans” a gun by firing it?


13 posted on 12/20/2011 9:47:21 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Ceterum autem censeo, Obama delenda est.)
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To: Pearls Before Swine
"As an aside, I never thought of muzzle loaders as being able to fire that far."

She'd have probably been safer if he had been aiming at her ...

14 posted on 12/20/2011 9:47:33 AM PST by BlueLancer (Secede?! Y'all better just be thankful we don't invade ...)
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To: mamelukesabre

Some of those discarding sabot loads will go a long,long way.


15 posted on 12/20/2011 9:50:17 AM PST by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: Tex-Con-Man

They didn’t charge him because they expect him to take the fall.

And TWA Flight 800 was an explosion (of convenience)


16 posted on 12/20/2011 9:50:30 AM PST by George from New England (escaped CT in 2006, now living north of Tampa)
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To: Tex-Con-Man

Why would you try to clean it while it’s loaded? I think the author of this article knows little about how to clean a gun. Something is amiss here. This sad story makes little sense. Think of all of the mathetmatical possibilities that would have to coincide for this tragedy to occur.


17 posted on 12/20/2011 9:51:03 AM PST by VA_Gentleman ("Poor Al Gore. Global warming completely debunked via the very internet you invented." -Jon Stewart)
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To: Emmett McCarthy
Basic rule of firearm safety: Be sure of your target and your back-stop.
18 posted on 12/20/2011 9:51:12 AM PST by Thane_Banquo
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To: TSgt
I own a couple of black powder rifles, and there is NO way that they have the capability of shooting a mile and a half (unless you're in an airplane and shooting straight down). I also have a couple of high powered magnum hunting rifles (a .264 Winchester and a .300 Weatherby) which are really dropping a lot (about 3 feet) out at 600 yards. A mile and a half equals about 2640 yards, so unless you're aiming up at a 45 degree angle and shooting from the edge of a tall cliff there's no way you can come close to shooting a projectile that far. Even if you granted that this was not an impossibility, the projectile would not have enough kinetic energy left to penetrate the skin at that distance.

If I was the local constabulary I'd be seriously looking into it.

As an aside, I've seen a lot of Amish people over the years, but have not ever seen a buggy being driven by one of their females....just sayin'.

19 posted on 12/20/2011 9:51:16 AM PST by Retired COB (Still mad about Campaign Finance Reform)
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To: mamelukesabre
There’s no way to know the shot came from THAT firearm.

Want to think that one through again?

20 posted on 12/20/2011 9:51:33 AM PST by null and void (Day 1064 of America's ObamaVacation from reality [Heroes aren't made, Frank, they're cornered...])
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To: mamelukesabre

Time line!


21 posted on 12/20/2011 9:52:05 AM PST by tallyhoe
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To: mamelukesabre

And how, pray tell, can you make that determination?


22 posted on 12/20/2011 9:52:10 AM PST by bigbob
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To: Farmer Dean

My .50 cal round ball rifle won’t approach 1,500 feet, let along 5,280.


23 posted on 12/20/2011 9:53:10 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Gimme that old time fossil fuel.)
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To: mamelukesabre
There’s no way to know the shot came from THAT firearm.

Yes there is. They have the bullet, they have the gun. Ballistics fingerprinting would be quite simple.

24 posted on 12/20/2011 9:53:18 AM PST by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: mylife

Ping, because you might be interested.

Tragic, terrible story. Prayers for the family.


25 posted on 12/20/2011 9:53:37 AM PST by Fantasywriter
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

I clear my gun by firing it into a target. Or a deer. Or, if none are available, I will dump water down the barrel of my muzzleloader with a turkey baster until it comes out the nipple in a black slushy ooze.......firing it over the trees is reprehensible and preventable. He should be charged with manslaughter.


26 posted on 12/20/2011 9:53:52 AM PST by Michigan Bowhunter
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To: VA_Gentleman

How else does one unload a muzzle loader?

Still, not to be certain of your backstop is negligent.


27 posted on 12/20/2011 9:54:39 AM PST by RitchieAprile
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To: Pearls Before Swine
I never thought of muzzle loaders as being able to fire that far.

Same here, perhaps it was a sabot load in a magnum in-line.

To fire a rifle into the air,,,,, stupid and irresponsible.

28 posted on 12/20/2011 9:55:36 AM PST by TYVets (Pure-Gas.org ..... ethanol free gasoline by state and city)
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To: Retired COB

Well let me see if you have your rifle pointing up in the air at the right angle it is possible to travel a ways. Shooting straight at a target at a range would be different.


29 posted on 12/20/2011 9:55:37 AM PST by tallyhoe
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

no it wouldn’t. there’s no rifling marks on a black powder slug


30 posted on 12/20/2011 9:56:17 AM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: TSgt
Prayers for Rachel Yoder, her family and friends.

This is an inexcusable violation of firearms safety rules and the shooter should pay a hefty price.

In a non life threatening situation, it is criminal to purposely discharge a firearm without knowing trajectory and backstop.

31 posted on 12/20/2011 9:56:24 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it. (plagiarized))
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To: bigbob

black powder firarms don’t leave rifling marks on the projectile.


32 posted on 12/20/2011 9:57:11 AM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
"Who in the Hell “cleans” a gun by firing it?"

People who use black powder "front stuffers" (muzzle loaders) used to have only one way to clear the weapon if loaded: firing it. That's probably what this clown was doing. These days, however, there are several manufacturers of pressurized CO2 systems that allow you to blow the powder and ball from the weapon without having to fire it.
33 posted on 12/20/2011 9:57:35 AM PST by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: TSgt

Jeez, when it’s your time, it’s your time...just wow.


34 posted on 12/20/2011 9:57:35 AM PST by jagusafr ("We hold these truths to be self-evident...")
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To: null and void; mamelukesabre
There’s no way to know the shot came from THAT firearm.

Someone needs to watch an episode or two of CSI

35 posted on 12/20/2011 9:57:43 AM PST by verga (We get what we tolerate and increase that which we reward)
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To: null and void

want to think yours through again?


36 posted on 12/20/2011 9:58:02 AM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: verga

someone is ignorant of black powder


37 posted on 12/20/2011 9:58:59 AM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: TSgt
Sorry, but I'm not buying this. Do they honestly expect us to believe that a muzzle loader is capable of propelling a round at a killing velocity to a distance of over 1.5 miles? I don't think so. Maybe if this were a high-powered round like a .308 or .300 Magnum, but not a black powder rifle.

Call me skeptical, but I'm not convinced that a black powder rifle could do this.

38 posted on 12/20/2011 10:00:58 AM PST by Avalon Hussar
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To: Pearls Before Swine

I agree. I have a hard time believing that a black powder rifle can reach that far, even under perfect conditions.

With muzzle velocity in the neighborhood of, what... 1500 fps or so? At 200 yards it’s likely shed about half of it’s energy and it’s going down quick. Fired at a 45 degree angle, I doubt it would reach beyond 800 yards, and at any rate at that point it is merely falling with gravity with little if any momentum left. A falling bullet is orders of magnitude less lethal.

I suspect that there’s something not reported here, or misreported. In any case, I suppose, it’s a bizarre and wildly unlikely circumstance and very sad indeed for the girl.


39 posted on 12/20/2011 10:00:58 AM PST by Ramius (Personally, I'd give us one chance in three. More tea anyone?)
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To: mamelukesabre

Uh, they do if it’s a rifle, and the first line says “a muzzle-loading rifle”. A smooth bore you would be right, but muzzle loading rifles sure do leave rifling marks.


40 posted on 12/20/2011 10:02:20 AM PST by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: TSgt

I am so sad. I pray for her faamily.


41 posted on 12/20/2011 10:02:35 AM PST by righttackle44 (I may not be much, but I raised a United States Marine)
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To: Retired COB

Female stole buggy, shot in self-defense and defense of property.

Amish cover up I say.


42 posted on 12/20/2011 10:03:43 AM PST by George from New England (escaped CT in 2006, now living north of Tampa)
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To: TSgt

There seem to be unanswered questions here.

Most obviously, you would clear a gun by firing it into a backstop, not firing it into the air. Sure, that would be unlikely to hit anything in the country, but you still shouldn’t take the chance.

Second, is it possible for a muzzle loader to shoot more than a mile? It seems unlikely, but I don’t know for sure.

Third, have they done ballistic checks? Does the bullet match the muzzle loader?

Finally, we only have this guy’s word for where he fired from. I should think that, if the ballistics match, they should check that out, too. Did he fire it from where he said he fired it? Might he have fired it from somewhere closer? Does the wound, and its angle, suggest a spent bullet?


43 posted on 12/20/2011 10:03:43 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: mamelukesabre
"black powder firarms don’t leave rifling marks on the projectile."

Depends on the weapon. Some black powder front stuffers are rifled. Some are smooth bore.
44 posted on 12/20/2011 10:03:58 AM PST by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: Michigan Bowhunter

I like your answer..but could it have happened? Or is there something a-miss here?


45 posted on 12/20/2011 10:03:58 AM PST by Paul46360
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To: VA_Gentleman
It was a muzzle loader.

The easiest way to remove the load is to fire it.

Otherwise you have to use a screw and try and screw it into to bullet and pull it out of the muzzle, or you can try and put an air hole on the nipple and try and blow it out.

46 posted on 12/20/2011 10:04:04 AM PST by IMR 4350
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To: Emmett McCarthy

You’re right.

And firing a rifle to clean it?

Maybe times have changed, but I was taught that firing a rifle requires it to be cleaned. To think of all that time I could have saved...


47 posted on 12/20/2011 10:04:08 AM PST by DPMD
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To: George from New England

Sometimes the best plan is to say nothing.


48 posted on 12/20/2011 10:06:26 AM PST by SuzyQue (Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.)
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To: Fantasywriter

Black powder? 1.5 mi?

Sounds unlikely


49 posted on 12/20/2011 10:09:08 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: TSgt

A muzzle loader going a mile and a half?

Hitting a girl in the head?

The odds are off the scale.


50 posted on 12/20/2011 10:09:39 AM PST by Tolkien (Grace is the Essence of the Gospel; Gratitude is the Essence of Ethics.)
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