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Home heating help slashed by $1 billion
stateline.org ^ | Thursday, December 22, 2011 | By Pamela M. Prah, Stateline Staff Writer

Posted on 12/24/2011 12:06:28 PM PST by DeaconBenjamin

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To: pallis

You burn ten cords of wood??? OMB. Real cords, not face cords? That’s a lot of log splitting.


21 posted on 12/24/2011 1:45:11 PM PST by ladyjane
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To: riri
People want to vote for politicians who push these insane policies, they should feel the same pain of these policies we all do.

And yet I've never seen a political ad for a GOP politician pointing out the Dem policies that raise the price of energy instead of keeping it low enough so that even most of the low income could afford it themselves instead of going hat in hand to the gov't . . .

There is so much the Republicans could do with ads . . . sometimes I think all the ad agency people are leftist Dems deliberately giving them bad advice!

22 posted on 12/24/2011 1:45:21 PM PST by maryz
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To: ronnie raygun

How about uncapping our own wells?


23 posted on 12/24/2011 2:01:30 PM PST by Parmy
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To: DeaconBenjamin

Stop the communism NOW!

LLS


24 posted on 12/24/2011 2:03:27 PM PST by LibLieSlayer ("Americans are hungry to feel once again a sense of mission and greatness." Ronaldo Magnus)
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To: DeaconBenjamin
All told, some 9 million households rely on LIHEAP

I'd suggest the heads of those household start beating and banging on Lisa Jackson and get her to back off the MACT regulations.

25 posted on 12/24/2011 2:12:50 PM PST by upchuck (Let's have the Revolution NOW before we get dumbed down to the point that we can't.)
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To: ladyjane

No, we usually burn three cords or less a year. I have about 50 cords, 4’x4’x8’ stacked neatly in the yard. It’s a big yard. We usually sell some, give some away and barter with some. We don’t fool with face cords.


26 posted on 12/24/2011 2:15:35 PM PST by pallis
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To: A_Former_Democrat

Previous generations also had intact extended families that felt responsible for taking care of relatives that were in need. In the years following the New Deal, that family structure has disappeared to a large degree. People just assume that government will deal with it. The attitude is “Hey, I payed taxes, it’s not my responsibility.”


27 posted on 12/24/2011 2:19:35 PM PST by JerseyanExile
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To: marsh2

Had some maple and pin oak branches fall earlier this year. They are keeping my house toasty.


28 posted on 12/24/2011 2:24:46 PM PST by DeaconBenjamin (A trillion here, a trillion there, soon you're NOT talking real money)
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To: NEPA

Very few people in our area have oil heat.. Natural Gas is our cheapest fuel


29 posted on 12/24/2011 2:41:53 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
Very few people in our area have oil heat.. Natural Gas is our cheapest fuel

Oil is tops around here although I live in the Marcellus region. Natural gas is mostly a city thing. Coal is still around and a lot of people have converted to propane. All cost more than natural gas. I couldn't convert to gas if I wanted to, it isn't available in my town.

Oil is running $3.499/gal for a couple months now. In winter I'll use at minimum 100-150 gallons/month and I keep my thermostat no higher than 62. Right now it's on 58 in 28 degree winter weather. It's 59 degrees in my house. I just layer up and use throws. I use electric space heaters sparingly.

It is a nightmare for low income people.

If republicans are smart they'll keep playing the Obama interview in which he said "under my plan energy (electricity?) prices will necessarily skyrocket."

30 posted on 12/24/2011 3:19:36 PM PST by NEPA (Give me liberty, not debt)
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To: pallis
We heat with wood too, but nobody in Alaska ever pays any fees to Park Service, now that wouldn't do out here where we call home. It gets minus 60 here every January, today minus 10, quite nice actually.

We have a local businessman who gets half the town signed up for energy program, sells them oil or firewood. Prefers firewood as he makes out better. He hauls wood in from Canada on flatbeds, already bundled with wire straps, maybe 3/4 cord of spruce. He pays 45 bucks in Canada and sells for $375, is able to because people use their energy assistance credits, unreal but I don't fault the businessman, he's cleaning up. He sells them oil if they want that too.

Trouble is when all these people get it for free, they don't buy chain saws, snowmachines & sleds to haul free firewood from behind their houses and get addicted to the free govt welfare wood and then they can't when the day comes that they have too.

Myself, I've been hauling in 10-15 cords of birch for so long during the warmer weather of winter; I wouldn't feel right if I didn't. I like spending time in the woods, see lynx, moose, wolverines, and even wolves from time to time;;;; and always have 5-6 Stihl's laying around for my winter fun & exercise.

31 posted on 12/24/2011 3:22:08 PM PST by Eska
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To: NEPA

If your fuel tank is outside then you have use Kerosene. And then the county taxes it too. That is $4.10 per gallon before tax. It is just insanity.


32 posted on 12/24/2011 3:24:00 PM PST by Revel
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To: NEPA
I'm sorry that a change in subsidies will result in a sudden hardship on anyone. BUT, individual oil heating is inefficient and causes more pollution than about any other type of heating other than wood.

There are good reasons for using oil or wood, but there is no excuse for subsidizing it or having folks in other parts of the nation pay for it at all. Living in the north has advantages, but cold winters is not one of them and the expense of that should be just another factor people use when they decide where they choose to live.

Just my opinion.

Oldplayer
Oklahoma

33 posted on 12/24/2011 3:53:16 PM PST by oldplayer
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To: NEPA
I just layer up and use throws. I use electric space heaters sparingly.

Try a heated mattress pad for your bed. We have one, it has dual controls, and it's the best thing since sliced bread. We turn it on about a half hour before bedtime, and dial it back if it gets too warm. We also wear fuzzy socks to bed, and keep our heads covered. It's not nearly as cold here on the Oregon Coast as it is back East (I grew up in Central Massachusetts), but it gets pretty nippy and damp in the wintertime.

34 posted on 12/24/2011 4:04:47 PM PST by Inspectorette
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To: af_vet_rr
With these things called "blankets" and wearing "layers" of clothing. Are these still made?

Guessing you either have a decent income and/or don't live in the north east.

Guess what - I wear "layers", use a lap robe and wear my sheepskin slippers - because I keep my thermostat at no higher than 68 in the daytime and 60 at night. I don't heat my bedroom or office in the winter. In the northern most state, it gets damn cold. A few years ago, I could heat my house on $500. Now - if I could afford to have my house comfortable - it would cost up to $2,500. My income, however, has not gone up.

Must be nice to be high and mighty.

35 posted on 12/24/2011 7:51:20 PM PST by maine-iac7 (A prudent man foreseeth the evil,... but the simple pass on, and are punished. Prov 23:3 KJV)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

Hey, we have to have the bucks to send to the PLO -
“the U.S. government has committed over $4 billion in bilateral assistance to the
Palestinians,”

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/mideast/RS22967.pdf

Not to mention the billions we send to just about every country on earth -


36 posted on 12/24/2011 8:09:12 PM PST by maine-iac7 (A prudent man foreseeth the evil,... but the simple pass on, and are punished. Prov 23:3 KJV)
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To: Inspectorette
I have a heated mattress pad, I love it! Last week my furnace quit (needed a new motor) and it got down to 42 degrees in the house. But I was nice and toasty in bed. Instead of turning the pad off I just dialed it back to low. I couldn't get my 2 cats to leave the bed.
37 posted on 12/25/2011 2:30:44 AM PST by NEPA (Give me liberty, not debt)
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To: oldplayer
I'm not saying the government should subsidize heat. I'm just saying thanks in large part to government policies heating a house has become very expensive. For low income people who are in no position to change heat source or move it is a serious problem.

And it is a largely government created problem.

38 posted on 12/25/2011 2:35:59 AM PST by NEPA (Give me liberty, not debt)
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To: maine-iac7
Guessing you either have a decent income and/or don't live in the north east.

I've been stationed in Alaska, North Dakota, New York, and Northern Europe. I know what cold winters are like.
39 posted on 12/26/2011 3:49:46 PM PST by af_vet_rr
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