Posted on 12/27/2011 7:11:11 AM PST by Outlaw Woman
Greengrinch LOL
OK but suppose you only have the choice of a Democrat who will do what you want <1% of the time and a RINO that will do what you want 40% of the time? Isn't that still a gain?
But suppose that other Republicans don't see it so clearly and still have trouble supporting the RINO then what? Then you use conservative inflation, tell other Republicans that he agrees with us 90% of the time and is a Reagan clone.
Then when he gets in the general election and starts trying to out-liberal Obama with proposals that you would curse if Obama made then you have to explain why they are really good ideas when the RINO says them, bad when the Democrat does, plus say the RINO has good intentions, the Democrat really bad ones.
Didn't you get the memo? :)
This is it...we get no do-overs anymore. If we don’t put someone in that will actually follow conservative principles, we are finished as a Nation.
What I have been finding out about Gingrich and his previous voting record, even before being speaker, will make your hair stand on end.
I’m currently in the process of getting independent verification because I know the falsehoods and distortions that happen but I’m telling you if even half of what I have found to be true, this is not a man we want in the oval office.
Yes I am a Rick Perry supporter, but if Gov Perry doesn’t make it and Gringrich does, I had made my mind up that I would support him; that is no longer the case.
The Progressives in both parties are counting on that being the goal. Looks like it is working too.
“OK but suppose you only have the choice of a Democrat who will do what you want <1% of the time and a RINO that will do what you want 40% of the time? Isn’t that still a gain?”
One thinks that if our guy only acts as a Leftist 60% of the time, that he’s acting as a Conservative 40% of the time. I would submit, that is not the case.
There are actually three status categories, not just two. There is Leftist, there is Conservative, and there is Republican (neutral or worse).
It’s important to remember that we can’t just be Republican, or neutral. Our guy has to be Conservative to turn things around.
If our guy acts like a Leftist 60% of the time, acts like a Republican for 35% of the time, he only acts the part of a Conservative 5% of the time.
The problem for you and I is, that our guys only act like a true conservative a percent or two of the time.
How much Leftist ideology do our guys reverse during their administrations? I would submit none. At the very best, they’re generally neutral or worse close to 100% of the time.
The level of socialism is massive in this nation. So far we don’t have true Communism, but we’re drifting that direction. They are going full tilt to destroy Capitalism right now. As for Fascism, our presidents are now toying with that too.
If our guy acts like a leftist 60% of the time, how long does it take to get 100% of what the Left wants done in this nation?
I would submit two administrations is all it would take to get to the 100% the left wants, if our guy acts like a Leftist 60% of the time.
We have got to get to the point where our presidents are acting like Conservatives 60% of the time, as a Republican (neutral or worse) 35% of the time, and as a Leftist 5% of the time.
Looking at the state of our nation, we can’t wait 20 years to implement that plan.
In November 2012, we must put a Conservative in, or we just as well register for the communist party to beat the rush.
Another luke warm Republican? HELL NO! If we’re going to go down, please let it be under a Democrat. Do not let the Left tarnish our representative republic for all time, as a failed capitalist society, even if we haven’t been acting like one for upwards of 100 years.
If someone wants my vote, they’ll make sure I a Conservative to vote for.
05/04/1979 – He voted for a federal land grab that put tens of millions of
acres of land in the hands of Washington bureaucrats.
09/20/1979 – He voted to raise the debt ceiling for the first time.
09/27/1979 – He voted to establish the Federal Department of Education.
06/04/1980 – He voted to raise the debt ceiling for the second time.
02/05/1981 – He voted to raise the debt ceiling for the third time.
06/28/1984 – He voted to raise the debt ceiling for the fourth time.
04/02/1987 – He cosponsored the 1987 Fairness Doctrine (anti 1st Amendment
legislation)
02/22/1989 – He cosponsored the Global Warming Prevention Act of 1989.
10/22/1991 – He voted for an amendment that would create a National Police
Corps.
03/–/1993 – He was “passionately in favor” of sending $1.6 Billion in
foreign aid to Russia.
11/19/1993 – He voted for the NAFTA Implementation Act.
11/27/1994 – He supported the GATT Treaty giving sovereignty to the U.N.
Yes Perhaps we should consider his record while in Congress. And this is only part 1.
How would you explain away his 90% lifetime ACU rating?
I can’t. Perhaps there are only certain issues that ACU takes into consideration. I really don’t know.
It’s so hard to read the scorecard it is so littered with half-truths, lies, and backstabbing.
The Media has become just an arm of the Democrat party.
There isn’t an honest journalist among them.
The Republican party RINO’s are insane in their insistence to run this loser Romney
I don’t want a “hip” president. I’ll take a geek or a genius, like Newt. I don’t want a young president. The most important job in the world should be held by somebody with a long life experience and many lessons learned, like Newt.
Please double check your facts. Santorum and Newt are running the exact same against Obama.
Ron Paul is running better against Obama. Do you seriously think Ron Paul would be performing that well against Obama by next fall? These polls this far out, before a single debate or a single campaign ad has been run, mean nothing...absolutely nothing.
Conservatives are for free trade and were in favor of going into deficit spending in order to bankrupt the U.S.S.R., especially when they didn’t have much choice given the Democrat congress unwilling to cut other spending.
Good ideas. Most of those are in Newt’s health care plan.
http://www.newt.org/solutions/healthcare
People need to get back to “the most conservative candidate who can win” and stop looking for Mr. or Ms. Pure and Perfect. We’re getting to the point where no one but people like Obama who vote “present” every time can be nominated. Everybody has to have a clean record where there’s no chance they’ve ever made a mistake.
Tu quoque is another logical fallacy seen too often.
Little things like this:
Newt Gingrich’s conservative credentials are rock-solid, he’s been arguing on the campaign trail — and they date to before some of his opponents had even reached the voting age. Gingrich told a crowd in Dubuque today, per a source:
“I went to a Goldwater organizing meeting in Columbia, South Carolina in 1964. I worked with Ronald Reagan starting in 1974. As I said before, I worked with Kemp and others to develop supply-side economics.”
But wait — didn’t Gingrich say this, in 1988?
“And I think this party in that sense is a very different party than it was, say, from the fights in the years of the Rockefeller-Goldwater process – a period in which, by the way, I was a Rockefeller state chairman in the South.”
The two statements are in tension with each other, but they’re not actually contradictory: It’s possible to have been intrigued by Goldwater while ultimately supporting Rockefeller. But in an election that could be decided* by the candidates’ positions on the 1964 Republican presidential primary, Gingrich’s statements leave more questions than answers.
*Not really
http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2011/12/rocky-no-barry-no-rocky-108825.html
Sadly, the average politician flip flops and Newt is really just average.
Don’t confuse me with a Romney supporter, I just think Newt needs to get his surrogates to do the bashing while he gets out there and tells us how much better he would be than anyone else now in the race.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.