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In Washington area, African American students suspended and expelled two to five times as * whites
Washington Post ^ | December 28, 2011 | Donna St. George

Posted on 12/29/2011 3:25:22 AM PST by Second Amendment First

Across the Washington area, black students are suspended and expelled two to five times as often as white students, creating disparities in discipline that experts say reflect a growing national problem.

An analysis by The Washington Post shows the phenomenon both in the suburbs and in the city, from the far reaches of Southern Maryland to the subdivisions of Fairfax, Prince George’s and Montgomery counties.

In Washington area, racial gaps in school discipline Study exposes myths about school discipline Most students suspended, expelled at some point Police presence in schools spur Miranda questions View all Items in this Story School days 2011-12 Get news, advice and more. Last year, for example, one in seven black students in St. Mary’s County were suspended from school, compared with one in 20 white students. In Alexandria, black students were nearly six times as likely to be suspended as their white peers.

In Fairfax, where the suicide in January of a white high school football player who had been suspended brought an outcry for change, African American students were four times as likely that year to be suspended as white students, and Hispanic students were twice as likely.

The problems extend beyond the Washington area to school districts across the country and are among a host of concerns about school discipline that sparked a joint effort by the U.S. Justice and Education departments in July to look into reforms.

Experts say disparities appear to have complex causes. A disproportionate number of black students live below the poverty line or with a single parent, factors that affect disciplinary patterns. But experts say those factors do not fully explain racial differences in suspensions. Other contributing factors could include unintended bias, unequal access to highly effective teachers and differences in school leadership styles.

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1 posted on 12/29/2011 3:25:30 AM PST by Second Amendment First
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To: Second Amendment First
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3 posted on 12/29/2011 3:35:44 AM PST by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: Second Amendment First

My kids are told by me to do what the teacher says. How can that be a “black” thing? And I know the problem gets worse for those problem kids when they get to college where performance ratchets up and nobody really cares.


4 posted on 12/29/2011 3:37:15 AM PST by Thebaddog (Remember, Obama said he's only 60% done with his agenda.)
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To: Second Amendment First

Result of single parent homes.


5 posted on 12/29/2011 3:38:59 AM PST by Joe Boucher ((FUBO))
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To: Straight Vermonter
If it's hard to click on the link, then here's some:

The problem is not that blacks are more frequently disciplined than whites. The problem is that blacks misbehave far more frequently than do whites. THAT is why they are suspended and expelled more frequently. Compare crime statistics for white and black teenage offenders. The discrepancy is even greater. Why should it be surprising that the group that produces the most criminals per capita should face the most discipline?

I don't see anyone getting all worked up about the fact that whites are disciplined significantly more frequently than asians. And no one should care. If asians display more self discipline in class than whites, they should need less frequent discipline.

Blacks have no one to blame but themselves for their behavior and the reaction it brings. But as long as idiots like Donna St George and her enablers at the Post ignore the obvious, they will continue to play the race card rather than facing up to their own community's fatal pathologies.

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What a misleading headline and article. Why is the headline on the Washington Post homepage "Wide Gaps in School Discipline"? It's not a wide gap in school discipline, it's a wide gap in student behavior. I read this entire piece and nowhere in the article was ever suggested that this could simply be a result of African American and Hispanic students behaving worse, on average, in school than their white and Asian counterparts. I suppose the obvious explanation for the gaps--worse behavior by black and Hispanic students--would have been deemed racist and politically incorrect.

It's amazing that in this day and age, with a black president, black supreme court justice, black senators, black congressmen, black federal judges, black CEOs, etc etc etc people are still afraid to talk openly and honestly about the single biggest domestic problem in this country: 75% of black children growing up without fathers. THAT is the primary reason for the achievement gaps in education, for the income gaps in the workforce, and for just about every other gap between whites and blacks. NOT racism. NOT "unintended bias". NOT lack of "cultural sensitivity training for teachers" or any other PC bulls***.

Black Americans are every bit as smart as white Americans. The difference is most white kids grow up with two parents while the overwhelmingly vast majority of black children grow up without dads. Fix this, and you go a long way towards fixing all these various troubling gaps. But until we even admit that this is the problem and stop blaming "racism" for everything, these gaps will always exist. Racism will always exist, but it is no longer a leading factor in any of these gaps. Let's stop kidding ourselves and stop worrying about offending the oversensitive, and start talking honestly about these issues.

6 posted on 12/29/2011 3:42:14 AM PST by Second Amendment First ("Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..." - Thomas Jefferson.)
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To: Second Amendment First
And I suppose the teachers and administrators in Washington are overwhelmingly white? This is the white establishment keeping the black man down?

Or is it a lot of black public union employees trying to deal with a black criminal class caused by Liberal policies promoted by public unions? We have met the enemy and he be us?

7 posted on 12/29/2011 3:43:11 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Nothing will change until after the war. It's coming.)
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To: Joe Boucher

Daddy’s not home to kick his ass when he’s five.


8 posted on 12/29/2011 3:43:52 AM PST by Flintlock (Photo ID for all voting--let out deal rest in peace.)
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To: Joe Boucher

“Result of single parent homes.”

One cause among many; many are from a “culture” (though I’d say actually a “cultural vacuum”) that places no priority at all on education. Blacks from the “WASP” culture (some West Africans, for example) I’m sure are suspended with even less frequency than their white counterparts.


9 posted on 12/29/2011 3:45:46 AM PST by kearnyirish2
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To: Second Amendment First

In other news, the sun will be rising in the east this morning.


10 posted on 12/29/2011 3:48:25 AM PST by mas cerveza por favor
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To: Second Amendment First
Other contributing factors could include unintended bias, unequal access to highly effective teachers and differences in school leadership styles.

Oh, yes, lets make up a bunch of sh** to blame it on. Couldn't possibly be that blacks and hispanics break the rules at a far greater rate than whites do because they think they are privileged races that can get away with it, and because they blame whitey for all their ills.

11 posted on 12/29/2011 3:49:12 AM PST by calex59
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To: calex59
Oh, yes, lets make up a bunch of sh** to blame it on.

You could make your good point just as well without the vulgarity. Let's leave that to the DU types. It's not really needed here.

12 posted on 12/29/2011 3:54:04 AM PST by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever.)
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To: kearnyirish2

peer pressure to NOT be seen or called an uncle tom means not doing well in school,.
And as the previous post says no father to put a child in their place as a youngster.
Mom has to work and the kid grows up on their own.


13 posted on 12/29/2011 3:55:17 AM PST by Joe Boucher ((FUBO))
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To: Straight Vermonter
Typical Lib comment: I don't see the point of suspending students. What is it supposed to do, except get the kid "out of sight, out of mind." If the kid doesn't like school, suspension is a vacation. And upon returning, the student is that much more behind, making it more difficult both for the child and the teacher. And as a disciplinary measure, it doesn't seem to work. Surely there are better solutions.

reply by another commentor: Totally clueless.
We suspend and expel disruptive students so that those who are trying to learn can do so.

I plussed up the reply.

15 posted on 12/29/2011 3:56:48 AM PST by palmer (Before reading this post, please send me $2.50)
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To: Second Amendment First
This is a cultural issue not a race issue, the poor black culture is a culture of dysfunction. The problem is not really in the white culture but is staring back at them in the mirror for poor blacks. Since race in America is a blurry ill defined thing based on pigment, since laws are strictly enforced to prevent discrimination, there is only decades of entitlement and government sponsored family erosion left as an explanation.
16 posted on 12/29/2011 3:57:43 AM PST by dog breath
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To: Second Amendment First
typically we will hear the age old conversation stoppers: It's different.... Your not black.... You don't understand.... You have to understand.... It's a black thing.... Your a racist.... ....all these are used to "stop" any further discussion to point out the obvious. You will see more and more stories like this as Odumbo's number fall....he knows he has lost the 95% number he got when elected. Apathy, has set in since the hopey changie thing didn't pan out and nobody got "free" gas and the little boy king got billions along with Soros (a white guy). While he can't say it yet (because I'm black) his brown shirts will have to delivery the message.
17 posted on 12/29/2011 4:04:32 AM PST by Doogle (((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated)))
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To: Second Amendment First

So if blacks are getting expelled at higher rates and black leaders are “getting involved”, can we then expect an apology for this behavior, which is a blight on society?


18 posted on 12/29/2011 4:08:12 AM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: Second Amendment First

there are five time more blacks in the DC school districts . Even if you expelled all the whites, more blacks would be expelled.


19 posted on 12/29/2011 4:13:40 AM PST by RightLady (Liberty above all)
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To: RightLady

Perhaps its because the blacks are slow learners who have yet to realize what the purpose of suspension really is. Apparently the white kids “get it” and change their ways.

Then add in the difference in numbers of blacks versus whites as has been previously stated.


20 posted on 12/29/2011 4:17:40 AM PST by DaveA37
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To: calex59

Ao


21 posted on 12/29/2011 4:18:18 AM PST by BilLies ( (ABCBSNBCNN, NYTimes, WaPOSt , etc., hates your Traditional American guts!))
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To: RightLady

Perhaps its because the blacks are slow learners who have yet to realize what the purpose of suspension really is. Apparently the white kids “get it” and change their ways.

Then we add in the difference in numbers of blacks versus whites as has been previously stated.


22 posted on 12/29/2011 4:18:33 AM PST by DaveA37
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To: Second Amendment First

“Why is the headline on the Washington Post homepage “Wide Gaps in School Discipline”? It’s not a wide gap in school discipline, it’s a wide gap in student behavior”

Typical corrupt “reporting” by the Corrupt Liberal Media.

Of all the double standards in “liberal” dogma, the double standard on race is probably the most rigid.

It is good to see these aware comments. I am seeing this more and more often when Liberal Racist Dogma is evident in the “reporting”. It has become so common that many times the Corrupt Liberal Media wont allow any comments on stories that involve alleged anti black “racism.”

Unfortunately, there is not a Conservative politician of national stature with the courage to attack this double standard on race.


23 posted on 12/29/2011 4:22:10 AM PST by Uncle Lonny
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To: RightLady

Fwiw, this story refers to area-wide statistics. As to race: the DC suburbs are majority white. The District itself, which constitutes about 20% of the metro area, is rapidly gentrifying and is probably going to tip majority white in the next 20 years as lower income folks are pushed out by rising housing prices. There are an increasing number of DC public schools — still a minority, but the number is growing — that are highly regarded. The city is changing, despite our current unfortunate mayor, who represents the (hopefully) last hurrah of the old guard.


25 posted on 12/29/2011 4:25:11 AM PST by sphinx
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To: dog breath

The problem is not really in the white culture but is staring back at them in the mirror for poor blacks.


So, the answer to the problem of “poor blacks” is to simply give them more taxpayer money so they are not poor anymore and the problem is fixed?


26 posted on 12/29/2011 4:26:44 AM PST by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: Thebaddog

This is no “social phenomenon”. It is a natural, predictable offshoot of the burgeoning entitlement society and the dependency mindset that ensues from it. Those being ‘helped’ begin to expect the outcome, not just the help. That leads to demands for concessions and special treatments that become the new norms.
Toss in a healthy dollop of parental “don’t-give-a-damn” and you have exactly what is described in this article.

Stop the entitlements, stop the coddling, stop the pandering to the ‘victim’ class, and that will go a long way to correcting this issue.


27 posted on 12/29/2011 4:26:59 AM PST by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2013: Change we can look forward to.)
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To: Second Amendment First
...black students are suspended ...

To keep their trousers up?

28 posted on 12/29/2011 4:31:27 AM PST by LRS ("This is silly! It can't be! It can't be!!" "Oh yes it is! I said you wouldn't know the joint.")
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To: Flintlock

No kidding. I cannot imagine what my dad would have done to me if I got expelled for using foul language at the teacher. My backside is sore just thinking about it.


29 posted on 12/29/2011 4:35:00 AM PST by Vermont Lt (I just don't like anything about the President. And I don't think he's a nice guy.)
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To: sphinx

My, oh my....things haven’t changed much in 40+ years:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ox1Tore9nw


30 posted on 12/29/2011 4:35:40 AM PST by radioone ("2012 can't come soon enough")
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To: RightLady

“The ethnic breakdown of students enrolled is 84.4% African American, 9.4% Hispanic or Latino, 4.6% Caucasian, and 1.6% Asian. The District itself has a Caucasian population of 33%, African American population of 53% and Hispanic or Latino population of 9%.[4]” Wikipedia

.844 blacks/.046 whites = 18.3/1 ratio of black to white
.844 blacks/.156 other = 5.4/1 ratio of black to other.

No the Obama childern are not counted in the above data, they go to private schools.


31 posted on 12/29/2011 4:39:27 AM PST by BilLies ( (ABCBSNBCNN, NYTimes, WaPOSt , etc., hates your Traditional American guts!))
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To: Second Amendment First

ping


32 posted on 12/29/2011 4:41:31 AM PST by wintertime (I am a Constitutional Restorationist!!! Yes!)
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To: Second Amendment First
Experts say disparities appear to have complex causes. A disproportionate number of black students live below the poverty line or with a single parent, factors that affect disciplinary patterns. But experts say those factors do not fully explain racial differences in suspensions. Other contributing factors could include unintended bias, unequal access to highly effective teachers and differences in school leadership styles.

But of course blacks themselves are in no way responsible!

33 posted on 12/29/2011 4:42:44 AM PST by Altura Ct.
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To: Second Amendment First
Speaking as someone who works at a High School, there are very good reasons for their suspensions. It has nothing to do with race and everything to do with behavior. In fact, administrators give blacks more latitude fo misconduct!

Mike

34 posted on 12/29/2011 4:47:12 AM PST by MichaelP (The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools ~HS)
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To: radioone
I've lived in DC since 1979. The difference is night and day. Perceptions lag reality, but poverty and gangs are moving out to the 'burbs and young couples are increasingly staying in the city even after they have kids. The city still needs work, but bit by bit, we are recovering from LBJ and the Great Society model, which turned out to be a near-perfect recipe for destroying urban places.

There are great neighborhoods all over the metro area, and my standard advice to newcomers is to live close to work and avoid long commutes, as we have some of the nation's worst traffic congestion. A growing number of the great neighborhoods are in the city, and increasingly can be found east of Rock Creek Park. I can show you attractive neighborhoods in Anacostia where the homes are selling for $400,000 and where the middle class is moving in, largely because Capitol Hill (which used to be the frontier) has gotten very expensive.

Bad reputations linger, but the reality on the ground is changing rapidly.

35 posted on 12/29/2011 4:59:17 AM PST by sphinx
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To: Altura Ct.

I can hardly wait for the WashPOS to do a racial analysis regarding the “Flash and Stash” robberies and asks the reasons why whites are so under represented.


36 posted on 12/29/2011 5:02:22 AM PST by BilLies ( (ABCBSNBCNN, NYTimes, WaPOSt , etc., hates your Traditional American guts!))
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To: Second Amendment First

Here we go again with the socialist Federal race baiting program. They demonize whites in this process and target white kids and staff in schools more harshly in order to even out the discipline and employment quotas when they do this. Racist blacks and their enablers become racially viscious to white kids who are named the evil race causing harm to “hispanics and blacks.”

White parents and teachers can not afford to play stupid in this race hate game. White kids are already targeted as the race villians in America with race hate and blame in the diversity doctrines. Now they are going to kick it into gear with systematic, authoritative attack. We have been here before. Whites bailed out of “diverse” schools to avoid victimization. White boys have still not recovered from the feminist’s rip of discrimination, hate and harm on them in the public schools.

Race baiting on quota discipline resulted in the insane policy of zero tolerance where administrators could punish a white kid with a pocket knife the same as the Black gang member with a gun. This is where the kid victimized by thugs with violence gets suspended in equality with the attackers. Gays will use this victim thug power to go after white kids, too. It will be systematic and targeted intimidation and harm from the Federal government all the way down to the local level.

Ultimately, they are seeking to stop the schools from discipling those violent mobs you have seen roaming the streets of our cities and targeting whites for beat downs. It’s going to go from bad to worse for whites in the public schools again. It floods out on the streets, too. This is where white liberals get mugged, big time. Whites in Unions will be harmed with racial discrimination and harassing hate games, too. Record and document everything for the ensuing law suits.


37 posted on 12/29/2011 5:02:40 AM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: RightLady

Indeed...

So if 80% of the students were black and 80% of the discipline problems were from blacks -
It always has to be a racial thing - that argument has long passed its prime. Time to begin taking care of your own versus blaming whitey for your demise.


38 posted on 12/29/2011 5:03:34 AM PST by LFOD (Formerly - Iraq, Afgahnistan - back home in Dixie.)
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To: Second Amendment First

The trouble is absence of fathers and this leads to a disrespect for authorities. Households where the mother is the head don’t get enough discipline.

This isn’t a racial issue. Few men were ever grandfathers in pre-1776 America and a majority of households were headed by mothers. This lead to a large cohort of white Americans who were very much anti-authority. They gave us our American Revolution.

Controlling for race and not fatherhood automatically falsifies this study. If they factored in women head of households I bet the difference would be nil.


39 posted on 12/29/2011 5:04:14 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Second Amendment First

Gosh, maybe we should give some money to a black justice group to make up for this.


40 posted on 12/29/2011 5:09:00 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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To: kearnyirish2

The overarching theme of popular black culture is degradation. It’s a modern slavery of the soul. You’d be hard pressed to find black media themes that uplift.


41 posted on 12/29/2011 5:11:26 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD

Here is a good way to look at this.

Black Conservatives are Colin Powell, Condi Rice, Herman Cain.
Black Liberals are Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Maxine Waters.

The group of students that want to be the former, whether black or white are probably the ones who are going to stay out of trouble.


42 posted on 12/29/2011 5:13:19 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (Control the media, you control its citizens.)
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To: Second Amendment First

But then Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton would be out of a job.


43 posted on 12/29/2011 5:17:43 AM PST by majormaturity
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To: Altura Ct.
Experts say...blah, blah...complex causes...blah, blah...disproportionate ...blah, blah..poverty...blah, blah... single parent...blah, blah...factors. But experts say...blah, blah...factors do not fully explain racial differences...blah, blah...unintended bias, unequal access...blah, blah...

Just who are these "experts", I wonder? Are they the same "experts" who advise the government to enact policies that have failed in education and welfare?
44 posted on 12/29/2011 5:18:13 AM PST by Apparatchik (If you find yourself in a confusing situation, simply laugh knowingly and walk away - Jim Ignatowski)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Trouble is the goal. Blacks are raised to disregard the laws and morals of non Africans. Those who resist the trend to return to tribal African culture are segregated and denigrated from urban black society.


45 posted on 12/29/2011 5:19:40 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..... Crucifixion is coming)
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To: Doogle

“You will see more stories like this” (as 0’s numbers fall)

I believe you are correct. There’s nothing true, or insightful, or even honest in this reporting. It’s all garbage, meant to stir up racial strife.

But I’m glad the DOE and the Just Us Dep’t *experts* are busy looking for solutions, aren’t you?

They are like doctors, examining a patient with a knife in his back, spending all their time wondering where the knife came from.
While sending their nurses screaming for more entitlement daddy-money to make more knives so they can study blades more thoroughly.

The reporters, bureaucrats, and purchased teat-suckers disgust me. The lot of them!


46 posted on 12/29/2011 5:19:55 AM PST by spankalib (The Marx-in-the-Parks crowd is a basement skunkworks operation of the AFL-CIO)
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To: calex59

You might consider that you’re posting to a public board. For my children’s benefit I try to get them to read FR. It’s rare that kids get the conservative side of the media and the comments for the most part are illuminating.

I don’t wish to intrude on your liberty to use vulgarity, but that then limits the liberty of others to read thoughtful and not vulgar comments.

Vulgarity is common enough, but it’s common because it is cheap and the language of the illiterate. A literate person, such as you, has a vocabulary sufficient to express any emotion without resorting to vulgarity.


47 posted on 12/29/2011 5:25:32 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Second Amendment First
Another piece of Birdcage Liner from the Wash Compost.
[These 'reporters' and the so-called 'experts' cited are utterly clueless.]

So let me take a stab(pun intended) at why there's a 'punishment disparity'.

  1. Mommy is in jail - drugs, prostitution, robbery - so they're being 'raised' by Grandma or Auntie.
  2. If mommy is home, their 'baby daddy' isn't. He's in jail or soon will be.
  3. They were 'disrespected' and had to respond.
  4. School is a 'white thing'.
  5. Hip-hop 'culture'. ('nuff said.)
But prolly the biggest reason, which cannot be said, or even thought of, is that the majority of Blacks in 'da hood' are Racists. It's inbred, taught to them from day one that 'whitey owes them for everything'. That whitey is 'da man' and is still 'holding them down' so 'The Rules of Whitey' do not apply to them. They are 'owed' anything and everything.

Hey Mr Holder, want to have that 'conversation on Race' now? Call me at your convenience, like when you're not running illegal guns to drug cartels or flaunting the constitution and the laws 'you don't like'.

BTW 'Eric'. Me thinks YOU'RE the 'race coward'.


48 posted on 12/29/2011 5:26:12 AM PST by Condor51 (Yo Hoffa, so you want to 'take out conservatives'. Well okay Jr - I'm your Huckleberry)
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To: Thebaddog
"My kids are told by me to do what the teacher says"

This must be part of what they tout as "whites do not understand the Black Culture". That's true, to a large extent, in that 75% of Black children are born "without fathers", and are born regularly to entitle the mother to increased income for per-child entitlement handouts, and are sent to school ONLY because it's required. Then, they grow up in "Da Hood", to learn how to use the system just like their unknown fathers, living a parasitic, non-productive lifestyle, while screaming "Racism" whenever they break the rules and are made to pay the price (which is becoming very, very rare, as Lawsuits make enforcement on Minorities VERY difficult).

As another poster mentions, they are NOT equally doled out punishment, purely because of their race, as whites are REGULARLY disciplined without fear of "Racism", while a lesser percentage of Blacks are punished, due purely to fear of being called "Racist".

49 posted on 12/29/2011 5:27:55 AM PST by traditional1 (Free speech for me.....not for thee)
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To: Altura Ct.

Excellent point. Human beings are just things to be acted upon. We’re things that act. We have choice.

This kind of determinism is racist in itself.


50 posted on 12/29/2011 5:29:16 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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