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Ron Paulís Soros Defense Plan
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Posted on 01/02/2012 8:38:41 AM PST by mnehring

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To: Mr. K
"Remember, he is the LOSER who lost to McCain, who is THE LOSER who lost to Obama last time."

I'm NOT a Paul supporter nor a Romney supporter, but thinking like that would have kept Reagan from being elected in 1980. Think about it.

81 posted on 01/04/2012 8:35:24 AM PST by cincinnati65 (We've been taken for a ride - by Wall Street and Washington DC - Welcome to Amerika!)
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To: jmc813

Sure do. In fact, I’ll ping you when it’s up.


82 posted on 01/04/2012 8:59:45 AM PST by Absolutely Nobama (NO COMPROMISE! NO RETREAT! NO SURRENDER! I AM A CONSERVATIVE! CASE CLOSED!)
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To: Fester Chugabrew

We gave the aid not just for resources, we gave it so that others would not TAKE IT! See the beauty of a resource is not just having it but also denying it to someone else.

You would rather that Iraq had the Saudi oil fields? Because that was the option in the Saudi’s mind. Or did you not get that?


83 posted on 01/04/2012 6:38:22 PM PST by Munz (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.)
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To: Munz
You would rather that Iraq had the Saudi oil fields?

As far as I can tell, they both have oil fields. Ownership does make the resource disappear. Each should be free to sell the oil or keep it. I don't have a problem with that. The world has plenty of oil, more bubbling up all the time. The beauty of being American is the freedom to invent, while at the same time make use of resources at hand. At least it used to be.

84 posted on 01/04/2012 8:09:46 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew (let establishment heads explode)
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Saudi’s asked for our aid. That is what pissed off Bin laden

While that is widely accepted as fact due to the media's lack of interest in using history as a guide in their reporting, it's not really true. It's just one of the bogus after-the-fact rationalizations for why al Qaeda's activities were "justified." Bin Laden, years before the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait and subsequent massing on the Saudi border compelled the Saudis to ask for our help, had already established himself as an America-hating SOB. Al Qaeda, "the worldwide jihad" after all, was born not after the Saudis asked for our help in the early 1990s but even earlier, in 1988.

OBL's mentor, Azzam, with whom he cofounded MAK even before al Qaeda, was already known for his prolific rants against the U.S. and for his assertions that the U.S. undermined the Mujahadeen in the war in Afghanistan against the USSR.

In the late 1980s before al Qaeda was born and just as things were looking bad for the Soviets in Afghanistan, Azzam and Osama bin Laden got in a big dispute over MAK's goal. OBL wanted to wage jihad simultaneously against the United States and the various insufficiently islamic Governments that ruled over muslim lands from which he had recruited dissidents- a multi-front war. Azzam in contrast, planned to focus more narrowly on completing the war in Afghanistan, which he viewed as a training ground for his ultimate goal. He intended to gather these veteran mujahadeen together for an assault not on the United States or other Arab governments, but against Israel, upon whose ruins Palestine could be formed.

Their disagreement was sufficiently bitter that OBL left MAK and took the more radical members with him, forming, with Jalaidan, "Al Qaeda." This was in 1988, so he was preparing for war with the United States years BEFORE Iraq started the Gulf War, before this well-publicized 1991 gripe about US toops in Saudi Arabia ever came to be.

It wasn't long after the break, about a year, that Azzam was killed in a bombing.

After Azzam's death, the opportunistic OBL immediately moved back in and took over MAK's global operations, absorbing most of Azzam's followers.

The way was now clear, in 1989, for OBL to begin planning his multifronted jihad against the United States and the unpious rulers of countries from whence his jihadists came. Azzam's goal of Palestine went on the back burner- the jihad bin Laden had in mind was far broader than that, and OBL's big "base" , al Qaeda, eventually became the umbrella under which allied terrorist groups would join, their leaders becoming voting members of al Qaeda's shurra councils of operations and financing.

85 posted on 01/04/2012 9:25:52 PM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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Thanks. You took a lot of time and effort to articulate that synopsis. OBL is one of those cases where some clandestine operations would have been in order decades ago. Instead of castrating OBL we castrated ourselves.

Major wars and grandstanding tend to snowball. Not good. Our involvement with foreign entities should be predominantly trade-related. I hate to admit it, but I suspect we’ve lacked the “tact, poise, and reason” to “gently squeeze them.”

What does the acronym MAK stand for?


86 posted on 01/04/2012 9:51:43 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew (let establishment heads explode)
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To: Wallace T.

What part of rolling back the budget to FY1940 and eliminating those agencies didn’t you understand?

That alone would eliminate a massive portion of the deficit. Not to mention realigning the remaining agencies to eliminate the costly redundancy.


87 posted on 01/05/2012 4:33:12 PM PST by 2CAVTrooper ( For those who have had to fight for it, freedom has a flavor the protected shall never know.)
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To: Fester Chugabrew

>As far as I can tell, they both have oil fields. Ownership does make the resource disappear. <

tell that to a dictator who has control of the fields who is anti-america.


88 posted on 01/05/2012 6:14:13 PM PST by Munz (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.)
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To: Munz
tell that to a dictator who has control of the fields who is anti-america.

Either he can market his goods or stew in his own juices. The fact is, we have decent resources right here on our own turf.

89 posted on 01/05/2012 7:03:32 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew (let establishment heads explode)
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To: 2CAVTrooper
It is not so much the administrative costs of the civilian bureaucracy but the enormous transfer payments through Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security,and so forth that are the most burdensome. You could easily shut down, for instance, the Department of Education, but there is too much political pressure to prevent elimination of programs like Head Start. Then you have the enormous problem of servicing the national debt. This country has the benefit of historically low interest rates, a situation that will not last forever. The Fed does not operate in a vacuum and cannot hold rates down indefinitely. The effect of a 500-600 basis point increase in the cost of borrowed money would overshadow even a doubling of present military expenditures.

There is no political will to cut back on Federal transfer payments and welfare programs. Defaulting on government debt would lead to a worldwide financial crisis. Our national debt now exceeds our GNP. Even Obama would be compelled to massively increase military expenditures if Iran decides to block the Straits of Hormuz or North Korea attacks South Korea, both of which events would likely trigger a world war. Then there are the issues in the culture and economy: the consequences of permissiveness, a Third World level educational system, the collapse of our industrial base, drug abuse (legal and illegal), etc.

No Presidential candidate has an effective plan to address these issues, not Romney, not Gingrich, not Paul, not Santorum, and certainly not Obama. Reality will hit this nation as it did Britain, Spain, the USSR, and the Roman Empire. God help us.

90 posted on 01/05/2012 8:36:02 PM PST by Wallace T.
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