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The Haditha Marines-The Squad Leader-A Final Chapter (SSgt Wuterich-Master Thread)
1-2-2012
Posted on 01/02/2012 10:28:48 AM PST by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing
Muzzie Lovin’,Christian hating, American Politicians should send their own sons to fight and die, then you’ll never see a Court martial, such as this farce.
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posted on
01/13/2012 7:16:19 AM PST
by
gitmogrunt
(Lessons In Disaster: LBJ, Carter,Clinton,Obama, American Liberals.)
To: smoothsailing; xzins
If any Marine on that panel believes Dela Cruz after his history of lying and another Marine proved him a liar at this CM I’ll start believing in the Tooth Fairy.
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posted on
01/13/2012 9:16:59 AM PST
by
jazusamo
(If you don't like growing older, don't worry. You may not be growing older much longer: T. Sowell)
To: jazusamo; smoothsailing; RedRover
Since the court has already been told that the white cars were transport for attack insurgents, and since that white car showed up immediately upon an IED attack, and since the occupants opened the car doors and had the doors between at least some of them and the Marines, how can any panel member, given the nature of the ROE fault those Marines for taking out those probable insurgents.
I distinctly remember some article from the past talking about weapons recovered related to that white car, that those weapons disappeared, and that the would exonerate the Marines if ever found. I think I recall they were turned over to investigators.
Does anyone else remember this and/or know what became of those weapons.
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posted on
01/13/2012 9:28:38 AM PST
by
xzins
(Vulture Capitalism is Crony Capitalism on Crack)
To: xzins
Yes, xzins, I remember there were possibly weapons related to the white car, but it could never be verified (at least I think that's the case).
Found this article written by LtCol. Bob Weimann which provides a reasonable defense for SSgt Wuterich's actions at the white car.
The Case for a Combat Squad Leader: Ssgt Frank Wuterich in Haditha
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posted on
01/13/2012 10:15:30 AM PST
by
Girlene
To: xzins; smoothsailing; RedRover
I remember several insurgent weapons (two?) were lost or disappeared from from investigators custody, or a military vehicle, that investigators turned over for transport.
I can’t remember if those weapons were supposedly from the white vehicle or from one of the houses.
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posted on
01/13/2012 10:16:32 AM PST
by
jazusamo
(If you don't like growing older, don't worry. You may not be growing older much longer: T. Sowell)
To: jazusamo; xzins; Girlene; RedRover
I remember that insurgent weapons went missing after the the ambush. I can’t remember for sure if it involved the white car.
At the time and for a while afterward, the incidents surrounding the IED blast and ambush weren’t considered out of the ordinary, so “evidence” wasn’t a thought.
Here’s a link to some of the Chessani testimony where the existence and then absence of weapons is explained...
http://warchronicle.com/DefendOurMarinesExclusive/ChessaniSpeaks-28July10.htm
Red will have more insight into this...
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posted on
01/13/2012 10:52:08 AM PST
by
smoothsailing
(www.FrankWuterich.com)
To: smoothsailing; xzins; Girlene; RedRover
Thanks, Smooth. That must be what I vaguely remembered.
267
posted on
01/13/2012 10:59:07 AM PST
by
jazusamo
(If you don't like growing older, don't worry. You may not be growing older much longer: T. Sowell)
To: smoothsailing; jazusamo; Girlene; RedRover
Thank you all for tracking down articles mentioning the missing weapons.
Something in my memory links those weapons and the white car. It could be old age creeping up. :>)
In any case, thanks for your insights.
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posted on
01/13/2012 11:13:33 AM PST
by
xzins
(Vulture Capitalism is Crony Capitalism on Crack)
To: smoothsailing; xzins
THanks for that link, smooth. I had forgotten about this:
..........According to Chessani and Muise, a Marine Corps criminal investigator detailed to aid the defense detected a cut out in the front of the vehicle similar to other cars the insurgents used to videotape suicide bombers and IED events for propaganda exploitation. The cutout was an inconspicuous hole in the front of the vehicle that provided a space a hidden video camera to see out of. A few weeks before the Haditha incident a different white car was captured by Marines at a check point after videotaping a vehicle borne IED explosion in 3/1s Area of Operations. It was equipped with a similar device.
Of course that photo is not available for us to look at.
xzins, there was some reporting (whether it was in a deposition, scuttlebut, whatever) that 1 or 2 AK-47's had been leaning against the white car at some point during that day. Now, whether these were the AK's that were picked up from House 4 and just leaned there before being take back to the base or something else....who knows.
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posted on
01/13/2012 11:26:57 AM PST
by
Girlene
To: Girlene
Every bit of information should be made available to that panel. All it requires is a rating of certain, probable, possible, and unlikely. Let the jury sort it out; that’s what juries are for.
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posted on
01/13/2012 3:14:41 PM PST
by
xzins
(Vulture Capitalism is Crony Capitalism on Crack)
To: smoothsailing; RedRover; All
271
posted on
01/13/2012 5:48:30 PM PST
by
jazusamo
(If you don't like growing older, don't worry. You may not be growing older much longer: T. Sowell)
To: smoothsailing; RedRover
Kallop's testimony could be crucial in swaying the four officers and four enlisted men on the jury. He was Wuterich's immediate superior, and his order directed the Murrieta resident and his squad to assault the homes.Sounds pretty clear to me and I'm sure those eight Marines on the panel understand what was said.
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posted on
01/13/2012 6:18:53 PM PST
by
jazusamo
(If you don't like growing older, don't worry. You may not be growing older much longer: T. Sowell)
To: jazusamo; smoothsailing; Minnehaha NYC; Girlene
To: jazusamo
Hey jaz! Please add Minnehaha NYC to the prestigious Haditha Marine Ping List!
To: RedRover; Minnehaha NYC; smoothsailing
Done.
Welcome, Minnehaha NYC!
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posted on
01/13/2012 6:50:16 PM PST
by
jazusamo
(If you don't like growing older, don't worry. You may not be growing older much longer: T. Sowell)
To: RedRover; jazusamo; smoothsailing; xzins
WOW, is all I can say. (and you know that’s sayin’ a lot for Girlene!).
Lt. Kallop’s testimony was all that and more.
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posted on
01/13/2012 6:50:59 PM PST
by
Girlene
To: Girlene
Amen, Girlene. He laid it out plain and simple.
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posted on
01/13/2012 6:59:03 PM PST
by
jazusamo
(If you don't like growing older, don't worry. You may not be growing older much longer: T. Sowell)
To: Girlene
I can’t remember a “wow” from you before—and this one was all caps, too!
Seriously,I really don’t see how the prosecution recovers from the past few days. And the defense hasn’t even presented its case yet!
To: Minnehaha NYC; tarheelswamprat; Sergeant Tim; smoothsailing; 4woodenboats; American Cabalist; ...
HADITHA MARINE PING!
Here's the news...
Former platoon lieutenant William Kallop testified today: see posts 271 and 273 above. Hard to see how the prosecution can even keep this charade going.
Court is adjourned until Tuesday, January 16th. There will be a weekend wrap on Sunday evening of the week's testimony.
BTW, LS posted about a whole other potential case: Urination Excitation! (Are the Marines Being Set Up?).
To: RedRover
The WOW is one thing.....the fact that I had nothing to add was bigger. :-)
Very impressed with Lt. Kallop’s testimony. I am feeling quite optimistic at this point for SSgt Wuterich. Isn’t this the prosecution’s phase to make their case.....or am I missing something?
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posted on
01/13/2012 7:20:07 PM PST
by
Girlene
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