Skip to comments.Vote Count Error? Did Rick Santorum Really Win the Iowa Caucuses?
Posted on 01/05/2012 9:30:57 PM PST by Mozilla
DES MOINES, Iowa (AP) Republican presidential candidate Rick Santorum is shrugging off reports that the vote count from Iowas caucuses might be wrong, saying the errors appear not to change the fact that he and Mitt Romney were nearly tied.
Santorum tells Fox News that a party official says the two cases in which errors were reported in the count from Tuesday night nearly cancel each other out.
A Ron Paul supporter told Des Moines TV station KCCI that the posted count from his precinct in Appanoose County gave Romney more votes than he actually received.
The GOP chairman in Iowa, Matt Strawn, says in a statement that state party officials dont have any reason to believe the final results from Appanoose County will change the outcome of Tuesdays vote.
DES MOINES, Iowa Caucus night was chaotic in many places, with hundreds of voters, candidates showing up and the throngs of media who followed. The worlds eyes were on Iowa. But in the quiet town of Moulton, Appanoose County, a caucus of 53 people may just blow up the results.
Edward True, 28, of Moulton, said he helped count the votes and jotted the results down on a piece of paper to post to his Facebook page. He said when he checked to make sure the Republican Party of Iowa got the count right, he said he was shocked to find they hadnt.
When Mitt Romney won Iowa by eight votes and Ive got a 20-vote discrepancy here, that right there says Rick Santorum won Iowa, True said. Not Mitt Romney.
True said at his 53-person caucus at the Garrett Memorial Library, Romney received two votes. According to the Iowa Republican Partys website, Trues precinct cast 22 votes for Romney.
This is huge, True said. It essentially changes who won.
A spokeswoman with the Iowa Republican Party said True is not a precinct captain and hes not a county chairperson so he has no business talking about election results.
Uh huh, right.
Given the proportional delegation of the Iowa caucus, neither candidate technically “won”.
Santorum won in terms of importance, given how his campaign had zero traction prior to the vote.
Uh oh! I think this guy just caught a rat! How dare some chairwoman claim that this man has no right to speak out? Notice she didn’t say that his story was inaccurate! SANTORUM WINS IOWA!!!!! YESSS!!! Bob
Now what else would you expect in this Banana Republic. Get used to it.
Did anyone not believe the delay in getting the count, was for the purpose of making Romney the Republican Establishment’s anointed one, the winner?
Does it matter? They both get the same delegate count anyway. What do you want to do? Waste time and money and send lawyers in to recount so that in a month they can declare that Santorum is the real winner of Iowa? No one will care about Iowa at that point.
I understand its the principal of the thing. But it’s not worth it. It is what it is.
yep, the Mormon Mafia was cooking the numbers
it matters to those who had bets on who would win or lose
“A spokeswoman with the Iowa Republican Party said True is not a precinct captain and hes not a county chairperson so he has no business talking about election results.”
Only Der Gestapo speaks for the party! Heil Romney (arm salute here)
Maybe he was confused by the vast number of votes cast?
Maybe he was confused by the closeness of the tallies between Santorum & Romney.
If the counters come to believe that there are no consequences for fudging a few votes here and there, you will never have another honest election.
The process has to be rigorously monitored ... always.
I can’t believe that I had to tell you that!
There IS a GOP Establishment in Iowa too.
It really does’nt make a lot of difference one way or the other. The MEDIA wanted Romney to win and no matter how many votes were incorrectly counted, they (media) got what they wanted to report. End of story! Now we all have to sit by and watch the next circus act. What a country we have become.
Welcome to FR.
Why would you deny Santorum a critical victory in place of a damned liberal socialist rino like Romney?
I don't think you're taking this as seriously as it needs to be.
Watch the video
the question here then is did this precinct register 73 votes or 53? If 73, the error was a "typo". If 53, then someone has some 'splainin to do.
It would be absurd to believe some randome Ron Paul supporter.
If the results were incorrect, the precinct captain for any of the major nominees would have noted that. Santorum’s guy certainly would have noted the error. For most precincts, multiple candidates had representatives at the vote, and all of them (except Romney’s of course in this case) would be keen to ensure that a misreport didn’t happen.
If it is a transcription error in the preliminary results of course, then when they do the official count it will get cleaned up. That is possible, although again I would have expected each campaign to compare the results reported by their precinct captains with the results being published.
More interestingly, is this guy saying that someone else lost 20 votes, or is he saying that the totals reported were 20 more than the number of people actually there? The 2nd should have been rather obvious to multiple precinct captains, especially since each precinct has an idea of who “won” their precinct, and this error would have changed the order of finish for that precinct.
So, while i don’t completely dismiss this, it is much more likely that the guy was writing down numbers and messed up, writing 2 in place of 22, than it is that the people in charge wrote 22 instead of 2 and nobody caught the error.
In addition, there are no official results yet. They are going through everything. So it is quite possible that there could be multiple errors like this found. At this point, so far as I can tell, there have been two reports of errors in reporting.
Rick Santorum has personally said that he knows of those two errors, one of which is this report, and that the results would end up making Romney the winner by 9 votes instead of 8.
There is no advantage to Santorum at this point in a focus on the vote counts. He knows that the “2nd-place finish” was just like a win for him, and any focus on 10 votes here or there will just detract from what is coming next.
ONE vote matters. Each ONE of our votes should matter. I stayed up until 2:00 A.M. to find out who won, and it was the strangest thing, but first they announced that they were waiting for votes being driven in to the counting location “by a guy in a pick-up truck”. Then they said they couldn’t find the votes from the last two remaining precincts. Then we were told of an error in an already counted precinct. And all of this information came from Karl Rove who supposedly had contacts in all of the areas in question. This is the same establishment Karl Rove who has been pushing Romney on us and using his super pac to buy negative ads against all of Romney’s opponents. Curious, isn’t it?
Heres what Santorum has to say:
Heres what I know, Santorum told Fox News. Having talked to the chairman Matt Strawn, who is the chairman of the Republican Party of Iowa, that all these counties are going to be reporting in, theyre going to be certifying them that there was one county where there was a 20-vote mistake in my favor but there was a 21-vote mistake in Romneys favor so it actually netted out to what I understand is a one-vote difference.