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Dear Americans, We Are Surrounded
Economic Policy Journal ^ | 1-10-2012 | EPJ

Posted on 01/10/2012 3:55:29 PM PST by JohnKinAK

Edited on 01/10/2012 4:35:18 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

Occasionally in the past, I have received emails from readers asking me if it was time to leave America because of some new infringement on our rights.

In the past, I always responded to these emails by saying that it really depended on who the reader was. Anyone, I usually replied, who was in the securities-brokerage industry or the medical profession should start looking, because of how regulated those industries are. If on the other hand, a surfer dude just living for the next wave, would have little reason to be concerned.


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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: 666; bondcollapse; bugout; canada; default; dollarcollapse; economy
Will the DHS be the security force Obama said would be just as well funded and trained as the military? It sure looks more and more that way to me.
1 posted on 01/10/2012 3:55:32 PM PST by JohnKinAK
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To: JohnKinAK

Sounds like you were getting scammed.


2 posted on 01/10/2012 4:00:42 PM PST by jessduntno ("'How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don't think." - Adolph Hitler)
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To: jessduntno

“Approximately a year ago, while flying out of a west coast airport a man stepped next to me and flashed a badge. He asked if he could talk to me.”

Sounds like you were getting scammed.


3 posted on 01/10/2012 4:01:37 PM PST by jessduntno ("'How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don't think." - Adolph Hitler)
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To: JohnKinAK

If you are not moving money overseas, do not be surprised when capital controls take that option away from you.
If you do not have a plan for how to travel when your passport is denied (and even the IRS can do that), do not be surprised when your freedom of movement is take from you.

What is happening to my country?


4 posted on 01/10/2012 4:03:24 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (You know, 99.99999965% of the lawyers give all of them a bad name)
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To: JohnKinAK
Will the DHS be the security force Obama said would be just as well funded and trained as the military?

As well as every force that receives any kind of federal funding, if they want to keep it.

5 posted on 01/10/2012 4:08:36 PM PST by Errant
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To: JohnKinAK

I have learned it is pointless to comment on what flying is and why the TSA makes sense (although it made more sense when it was private and some of the new rules are dumber than dumb).

But my favorites are the worm-eaters who say “I just won’t fly.”

I just LMAO when I see how people let the terrorists and the gummit control their lives. But I do feel sad that people are so easily manipulated.

Cascading screening (which is what is described here) is the BEST security system. It is what El Al has been doing for 3 or 4 decades and what we should be doing instead of strip searching 6 year old girls and 80 year old grandmothers.

But we are getting there — just REALLY slowly. I am a Global Entry/Trusted Traveler flyer and can usually skip the X-ray and taking shoes off and laptops out.


6 posted on 01/10/2012 4:10:36 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Spoiler Alert! The secret to Terra Nova: THEY ARE ALL DEAD!!!)
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To: JohnKinAK

This article should be a wake up call. I have often said, “it’s something everyday” from these people.

Will we wake up one morning and find out we have let things go too far?

What WOULD we do without the internet and the ability to contact each other?

Something to think about for sure.


7 posted on 01/10/2012 4:11:18 PM PST by Steve Newton
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To: Steve Newton

” “it’s something everyday” from these people.

Will we wake up one morning and find out we have let things go too far? “

How do you boil a frog???

(Hint - get out the saltines — frog soup is almost done...)


8 posted on 01/10/2012 4:17:08 PM PST by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: freedumb2003

Its a profiling phobia. PC bs.... the FBI invented profiling in this country. The TASK should follow. It works. Ask any cop..


9 posted on 01/10/2012 4:32:46 PM PST by goseminoles
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To: goseminoles

Task=tsa


10 posted on 01/10/2012 4:34:04 PM PST by goseminoles
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

“If you are not moving money overseas, do not be surprised when capital controls take that option away from you.”
___________________________________________

I left the USSA in 2004 and since then I started receiving my Social Security (2008).
My greatest fear is that they would cut it off for non-residents, which would put me in deep doodoo, as it is now my only income.


11 posted on 01/10/2012 4:43:51 PM PST by AlexW
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To: freedumb2003
I have learned it is pointless to comment on what flying is and why the TSA makes sense

How does it make sense to confiscate nail clippers and to strip search 80 year old women. How does it make sense to pat down 6 year olds while you let 20 year old Muslim males pass with out a word.

Cascading screening (which is what is described here) is the BEST security system. It is what El Al has been doing for 3 or 4 decades and what we should be doing instead of strip searching 6 year old girls and 80 year old grandmothers.

What is described here is a mockery of what El Al does. El Al selectively does intense questioning suspicious individuals after a cursory questioning.

The author suggests that the TSA agents chose him at random for questioning. El Al uses behavior clues to select individuals for more intense questioning.

Until our government gets past their aversion to profiling the TSA is a no more than a speed bump to some one trying to commit a terrorist act on a public transportation conveyance.

12 posted on 01/10/2012 4:48:23 PM PST by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Steve Newton
Will we wake up one morning and find out we have let things too far?

We already have.

13 posted on 01/10/2012 4:49:07 PM PST by Chuckster (The longer I live the less I care about what you think.)
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To: JohnKinAK
“Will the DHS be the security force Obama said would be just as well funded and trained as the military? It sure looks more and more that way to me.”

In the 1940’s in Germany it was called the SS.. Seems to me that no one ever learns from the lessons of the past... the people in the streets in Germany fell for the same line of propganda and B/S that the ones that have fallen for the same crap spouted by the W/H and its left wing enablers..

14 posted on 01/10/2012 5:02:29 PM PST by mongo141
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To: Chuckster

I won’t believe that yet my FRiend. Not yet. Freedom still burns and it is a hard light to put out.


15 posted on 01/10/2012 5:06:03 PM PST by Steve Newton
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16 posted on 01/10/2012 5:26:45 PM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: freedumb2003
But my favorites are the worm-eaters who say “I just won’t fly.”

Worm eaters?

Ha!

I'd rather go to the dentist than have to fly somewhere. I feel for those who have to fly for their work...That would suck bad...Having to deal with flying buses, airports, while sniffed, scanned, x-rayed, searched, etc. just became too much...Then breathing each others body fumes for hours while on the flying bus, seated next to some obese slob that smells like a camp fire....later with that.

Thank God I do not have to participate in any of that flying bus BS.

17 posted on 01/10/2012 5:31:21 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: freedumb2003

I’ve been through El Al and what we have is NOTHING like that. Theirs is efficient and not afraid to call an apple an apple while allowing the oranges through with a quick check and little hassle. Again what I went through for an interview recently is nothing like what they have and I didn’t have to do any special signup BS to get onto some special list in order to be treated as a non-threat or elite persona.

I’ll drive anything less than 24 hours until they “get the bugs worked out” or actually do cascading screening with the requisite profiling.


18 posted on 01/10/2012 5:32:54 PM PST by reed13k (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothing.)
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To: JohnKinAK
I have received emails from readers asking me if it was time to leave America because of some new infringement on our rights.

I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm an American. The only way I'm leaving is in a pine box, and I'm taking some commie bastards with me.
19 posted on 01/10/2012 5:41:27 PM PST by fr_freak
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To: dragnet2

>>. I feel for those who have to fly for their work..<<

I appreciate the sentiment but it is actually OK. Of course, I always get upgraded to 1st class so I don’t have to be packed in with that classic fat dude we all see and pray to avoid.

Like I said, as part of Trusted Traveler, I spend about 5 minutes or less in line — no wanding or X-rays.

And I get to see a lot of the country — this month it is Washington DC (and Mrs. FD got to spend a lot of times at the museums which she loves), a few weeks ago it was NYC and my hotel window was across from the new Freedom Tower build (it is amazing how small the footprints of the WTC were).

Us humans are eminently adaptable — you can get used to anything. My commute is a few hours for the whole week. Most people have 10+ hours (an hour each way to work, 5 days a week). I almost always am in short walking distance from the work location.

After the first few months it can be a bit of a hassle — but when you cement elite status (airlines and hotel), it can work out nicely.

As far as people who won’t fly because they don’t like the idea of the TSA? Hey, if you let a few minutes of discomfort restrict your freedom of movement, I can only laugh.


20 posted on 01/10/2012 5:46:10 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Spoiler Alert! The secret to Terra Nova: THEY ARE ALL DEAD!!!)
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To: Steve Newton
Will we wake up one morning and find out we have let things go too far?

Things have gone too far already. There is no turning back from the Total State. Reaching the point where "what is not required is prohibited" now is only a matter of degree. And it accelerates. The center has not held.

21 posted on 01/10/2012 6:21:38 PM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: JohnKinAK
The DEA started pulling that airport scam in the early 1980’s.

Essentially, they profile likely drug mules, approach, identify themselves, and ask your permission to inspect ID and carry on bags.

The correct answer is, “No thank you,” then, just return to your newspaper or laptop.

Instead, thousands of couriers nearly puked on the floor, and just went along with the search, and went straight to jail.

In Florida, drug cars routinely made the Miami to New York run on I-95 between midnight and dawn.

Typically, one black male driving, newer model large car, going exactly the speed limit or slightly below.

That's actually where some of the most important racial profiling cases originated.

The cops would claim “weaving” or “tail light out” or “driving to slow.”

They would stop the driver, inspect ID and car papers, then ask permission to look in the trunk or search the car.

Once again, dozens of couriers agreed, and then went straight to jail.

All the drug professionals know how to handle the issue now.

It's only the rookies and the drug addled who get popped now.

22 posted on 01/10/2012 11:26:27 PM PST by zeestephen
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To: freedumb2003

“Us humans are eminently adaptable — you can get used to anything.”

Well, that is the problem, isn’t it? We allow them to take our freedom bit by bit, and before you know it, it’s gone. I used to wonder why the Soviet people put up with all the hardships they did without rebelling. Now I see Americans submitting with only a few grumbles.

BTW, I won’t fly and I don’t eat worms. Also, it is “we humans”, not “us’. If you get to breeze through with the hassles of the rest of the herd, then good for you. For the majority of folks, flying is an ordeal.


23 posted on 01/10/2012 11:49:29 PM PST by Pining_4_TX ( The state is the great fiction by which everybody seeks to live at the expense of everybody else. ~)
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Hosea 7:1-2) The thief comes inside. The Bandits raid outside. Now their exploits surround and encircle them.

Foreigners sap his strength, but he does not realize it. His hair is sprinkled with gray, but he does not notice.

The stalk has no head; it will produce no flour. Were it to yield grain, foreigners would swallow it up.

With their silver and gold they make idols for themselves to their own destruction.


24 posted on 01/10/2012 11:53:14 PM PST by anglian
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To: dragnet2

the strip searches and the naked xrays were just the last straw.....flying has become so uncomfortable, so inhuman, tedious as well as expensive that I just as soon drive anywhere....I did that just last year by myself..clear across the US....I listend to talk radio and music and enjoyed every minute...


25 posted on 01/11/2012 12:46:09 AM PST by cherry
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
What is happening to my country?

Easy answer, the American people are killing the country.

26 posted on 01/11/2012 4:14:17 AM PST by Theodore R. (I'll still vote for the Right Rick --Santorum-- if he is on the April 3 ballot.)
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To: JohnKinAK

Dear Americans, We Are Surrounded

All I can say is “NUTS!”

And try to go Galt as fast as I can.


27 posted on 01/11/2012 4:51:43 AM PST by 2001convSVT (Going Galt as fast as I can.)
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To: Steve Newton
Will we wake up one morning and find out we have let things go too far?

I doubt we ever shall. It now seems far more likely that we'll wake up one morning and demand more security from the government. Come to think of it, we already do that...every day.

28 posted on 01/11/2012 6:05:22 AM PST by Lady Lucky (A tea party in name only is worse than no tea party at all.)
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To: freedumb2003
No it's not OK for me.

Most companies get their peon lackeys to be the gofers and fly around on the filthy public transportation winged buses....

It's like the old days when the CEO's put pagers on all their lackeys, keeping them on a short ropes, beeping them at home etc..Everyone had pagers strapped to their bodies...No different today with cell phones, and airports...They send all those lower on the company food chain to deal with the obnoxious airport cheet, as they spend half their lives on winged public buses.

No one with a brain wants to put up with all that crap.

29 posted on 01/11/2012 10:01:39 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Lady Lucky

Maybe

But tell me: When does security = dictatorship?

Let’s not wait too far.


30 posted on 01/11/2012 7:55:06 PM PST by Steve Newton
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