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Romney gets a faith question in SC
Politico ^ | 1/13/12 7:24 PM EST | MAGGIE HABERMAN

Posted on 01/14/2012 8:04:36 AM PST by Allon

Mitt Romney, one of two Mormon candidates in the Republican presidential field, was pressed about his faith by a woman who attended his veteran's event here.

He was asked to expand on his faith by a woman who asked him: "Do you believe in the divine saving grace of Jesus Christ?"

"Yes, I do," Romney responded. "I would hope that there are people in our nation that have different beliefs. There are people of the Jewish faith and the Islamic faith and other faiths who believe other things, and our president will be president of the people of all faiths," he said.

"We welcome people of other faiths. I happen to believe that Jesus Christ is the son of God and my savior, but I know other people have differing views and I respect those views, and I don't believe those qualify or disqualify people for leadership in our nation," he said.

(Excerpt) Read more at politico.com ...


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To: 11th Commandment
Mormon's today like to conflate language, but at the end of the day, the distinct difference in Christianity and Mormonism is in the Nicene Creed:

Oh??

You seem to have left out ALL of MORMONism's heresies and quirks with this statement.

On purpose?

41 posted on 01/14/2012 6:46:31 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: annieokie
There is PLENTY in GOOGLE to read, and there will be a few coming along shortly to enlighten all.

It appears we have us a Prophetess in our midst!!

42 posted on 01/14/2012 6:48:16 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: mc5cents
I can't get past this: Islam, founded by a man who said he was visited by an Angel(Gabriel) and established a religion based on that visit and wrote a book(The Koran). Mormanism founded by a man who said he was visited by God the Father himself and the Son Jesus Christ and established an religion based on that visit and wrote a book(The Book of Mormon).

 

“I Will Be a Second Mohammed”

In the heat of the Missouri “Mormon War” of 1838, Joseph Smith made the following claim, “I will be to this generation a second Mohammed, whose motto in treating for peace was ‘the Alcoran [Koran] or the Sword.’ So shall it eventually be with us—‘Joseph Smith or the Sword!’ ”[1]

It is most interesting that a self-proclaimed Christian prophet would liken himself to Mohammed, the founder of Islam. His own comparison invites us to take a closer look as well. And when we do, we find some striking—and troubling—parallels. Consider the following.

  • Mohammed and Joseph Smith both had humble beginnings. Neither had formal religious connections or upbringing, and both were relatively uneducated. Both founded new religions by creating their own scriptures. In fact, followers of both prophets claim these scriptures are miracles since their authors were the most simple and uneducated of men.[2]

  • Both prophets claim of having angel visitations, and of receiving divine revelation to restore pure religion to the earth again. Mohammed was told that both Jews and Christians had long since corrupted their scriptures and religion. In like manner, Joseph Smith was told that all of Christianity had become corrupt, and that consequently the Bible itself was no longer reliable. In both cases, this corruption required a complete restoration of both scripture and religion. Nothing which preceded either prophet could be relied upon any longer. Both prophets claim they were used of God to restore eternal truths which once existed on earth, but had been lost due to human corruption.

  • Both prophets created new scripture which borrowed heavily from the Bible, but with a substantially new “spin.” In his Koran, Mohammed appropriates a number of Biblical themes and characters—but he changes the complete sense of many passages, claiming to “correct” the Bible. In so doing he changes many doctrines, introducing his own in their place. In like manner, Joseph Smith created the Book of Mormon, much of which is plagiarized directly from the King James Bible. Interestingly, the Book of Mormon claims that this same Bible has been substantially corrupted and is therefore unreliable. In addition, Joseph Smith went so far as to actually create his own version of the Bible itself, the “Inspired Version,” in which he both adds and deletes significant portions of text, claiming he is “correcting” it. In so doing he also changes many doctrines, introducing his own in their place.

  • As a part of their new scriptural “spin,” both prophets saw themselves as prophesied in scripture, and both saw themselves as a continuation of a long line of Biblical prophets. Mohammed saw himself as a continuation of the ministry of Moses and Jesus. Joseph Smith saw himself as a successor to Enoch, Melchizedek, Joseph and Moses. Joseph Smith actually wrote himself into his own version of the Bible—by name.

  • Both prophets held up their own scripture as superior to the Bible. Mohammed claimed that the Koran was a perfect copy of the original which was in heaven. The Koran is therefore held to be absolutely perfect, far superior to the Bible and superceding it. In like manner, Joseph Smith also made the following claim. “I told the Brethren that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding its precepts, than by any other book.”[3]

  • Despite their claim that the Bible was corrupt, both prophets admonished their followers to adhere to its teachings. An obvious contradiction, this led to selective acceptance of some portions and wholesale rejection of others. As a result, the Bible is accepted by both groups of followers only to the extent that it agrees with their prophet’s own superior revelation.

  • Both Mohammed and Joseph Smith taught that true salvation was to be found only in their respective religions. Those who would not accept their message were considered “infidels,” pagans or Gentiles. In so doing, both prophets became the enemy of genuine Christianity, and have led many people away from the Christ of the Bible.

  • Both prophets encountered fierce opposition to their new religions and had to flee from town to town because of threats on their lives. Both retaliated to this opposition by forming their own militias. Both ultimately set up their own towns as model societies.

  • Both Mohammed and Joseph Smith left unclear instructions about their successors. The majority of Mohammed’s followers, Sunni Muslims, believe they were to elect their new leader, whereas the minority, Shiite Muslims, believe Mohammed’s son was to be their next leader. Similarly, the majority of Joseph Smith's followers, Mormons, believed their next prophet should have been the existing leader of their quorum of twelve apostles, whereas the minority, RLDS, believed Joseph Smith's own son should have been their next prophet. Differences on this issue, and many others, have created substantial tension between these rival groups of each prophet.

  • Mohammed taught that Jesus was just another of a long line of human prophets, of which he was the last. He taught that he was superior to Christ and superceded Him. In comparison, Joseph Smith also made the following claim.

“I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him, but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet.”[4] In light of these parallels, perhaps Joseph Smith's claim to be a second Mohammed unwittingly became his most genuine prophecy of all.


[1] Joseph Smith made this statement at the conclusion of a speech in the public square at Far West, Missouri on October 14, 1838. This particular quote is documented in Fawn M. Brodie, No Man Knows My History, second edition, (New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 1971), p. 230–231. Fawn Brodie’s footnote regarding this speech contains valuable information, and follows. “Except where noted, all the details of this chapter [16] are taken from the History of the [Mormon] Church. This speech, however, was not recorded there, and the report given here is based upon the accounts of seven men. See the affidavits of T.B. Marsh, Orson Hyde, George M. Hinkle, John Corrill, W.W. Phelps, Samson Avard, and Reed Peck in Correspondence, Orders, etc., pp. 57–9, 97–129. The Marsh and Hyde account, which was made on October 24, is particularly important. Part of it was reproduced in History of the [Mormon] Church, Vol. III, p. 167. See also the Peck manuscript, p. 80. Joseph himself barely mentioned the speech in his history; see Vol. III, p. 162.”

[2] John Ankerberg & John Weldon, The Facts on Islam, (Eugene, OR: Harvest House Publishers, 1998), pp.8–9. Eric Johnson, Joseph Smith & Muhammed, (El Cajon, CA: Mormonism Research Ministry, 1998), pp. 6–7.

[3] Documentary History of the [Mormon] Church, vol.4, pp.461.

[4] Documentary History of the [Mormon] Church, vol.6, pp.408–409.




43 posted on 01/14/2012 6:49:53 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: proudpapa
I wouldn’t be surprised one bit if the lady asking the question was a Romneybot and the question was asked in a very pro-Romney audience.

My suspicion as well...

44 posted on 01/14/2012 6:51:31 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: annieokie

“My name is Legion, for we are many.”


45 posted on 01/14/2012 6:53:24 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: annieokie

Your link doesn’t work.

But if you think the rallies are being peopled with just Mormons, I can tell you that we didn’t land on the moon, and that Bush brought down the twin towers.

Oh, and Elvis is alive and living in in the Bermuda Triangle.


46 posted on 01/14/2012 7:00:52 PM PST by Allon (Since 1980, no Republican has won his party's nomination without winning in South Carolina.)
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To: Elsie

DUDE?


47 posted on 01/14/2012 7:07:27 PM PST by annieokie
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To: Elsie

They don’t know what their so-called prophets say. They just believe what their local bishops say. If they only knew.


48 posted on 01/14/2012 7:10:25 PM PST by SkyDancer ("If You Want To Learn To Love Better, You Should Start With A Friend Who You Hate")
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To: Allon
Link didn't work for me either, sorry.

But I'll bet a smart fella like you can zip on over to Google and find the Big ole' beautiful temple right there in Columbia, S.C.

Elvis lives in the Bermuda Triangle, really? Must be a dead dunked mormon now. Give him my regards, will ya?

49 posted on 01/14/2012 7:10:37 PM PST by annieokie
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To: annieokie

The Miltbots are learning how to survive as stealth Romney supporters/promoters at FR without being zotted.


50 posted on 01/14/2012 7:13:59 PM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: MHGinTN
Cagey little creatures, aren’t they?
51 posted on 01/14/2012 7:40:36 PM PST by annieokie
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To: Elsie

No... This is just the simplest explanation that Mormons do not deny...


52 posted on 01/15/2012 6:48:03 AM PST by 11th Commandment (http://www.thirty-thousand.org/)
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To: Allon
But if you think the rallies are being peopled with just Mormons...

It only takes three or four to work a room...

53 posted on 01/15/2012 12:52:49 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: 11th Commandment
This is just the simplest explanation that Mormons do not deny...

True. It's POUNDED into them.

But; if we were to actually POST the NC right here on FR and look at it one sentence at a time; you'll get NO mormons that would disagree with ANY of it!

(As long as they are not TOLD that the sentences come from the NC!)

54 posted on 01/15/2012 1:00:47 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Allon
"but I know other people have differing views and I respect those views, and I don't believe those qualify or disqualify people for leadership in our nation," he said."

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Believing the absurd lies of 19th century conman scoundrel Smith demonstrates extremely poor judgement and absolutely disqualifies Mitt for leadership of our nation.

Compounding that poor judgement is his two faced insincere doublespeak and history of liberal policy trying to masquerade as conservative.

Only the ignorant and slow of wit could fall for this act.

He has nice hair and a presidential demeanor but is as shallow as a puddle of dog pee on the sidewalk, but apparently that is enough for some people.

A superficial person for a superficial people.

We are screwed.

55 posted on 01/15/2012 1:13:23 PM PST by Manic_Episode (Politics is all fake. I'm pretty sure it's owned by Vince Mcmahon)
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To: Allon

Wrong question to ask.

How about — Are you a member of a cult?


56 posted on 01/15/2012 1:22:25 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Allon
Find out about a cult
57 posted on 01/15/2012 1:22:56 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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