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Iowa Caucus: First in the Nation Clown Show
Outside the Beltway ^ | JANUARY 19, 2012 | JAMES JOYNER

Posted on 01/19/2012 10:08:41 AM PST by Qbert

Reacting to this morning’s news that not only has Rick Santorum won the Iowa Caucuses after all but that they’ve managed to lose more ballots than the margin of victory, the Telegraph’s Toby Harnden tweets, “What a debacle for Iowa. Hard to see why candidates should take Iowa caucuses seriously in future.”

Indeed.

This is truly a joke. In a contest with fewer total votes (121,503 counted; goodness knows how many lost) than your average election for a school board seat, the powers that be have managed to have wild shifts in the vote count in several districts and be so incredibly incompetent as to render eight precincts uncountable.

This, in a contest that gets so much attention that several candidates are eliminated from the race based on the outcome.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Iowa
KEYWORDS: ia2012; iowacaucus; mattstrawn; romney; santorum

1 posted on 01/19/2012 10:08:50 AM PST by Qbert
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To: Qbert

Time to move the Iowa fustercluck to late June.


2 posted on 01/19/2012 10:11:45 AM PST by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: Beagle8U

Yep.


3 posted on 01/19/2012 10:13:22 AM PST by Qbert ("The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry" - William F. Buckley, Jr.)
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To: Qbert

Big congrats to Rick the Conservative!!!

Poor Willard the Lib is about to go 1 (his liberal home state of NH) for 3 on Sat :~(


4 posted on 01/19/2012 10:13:44 AM PST by CainConservative (Newt/Perry 2012 with Cain, Huck, Petraeus, Parker, Watts, Duncan, & Bachmann in Newt's Cabinet)
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To: Qbert

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YOU GUTLESS, SPINELESS LITTLE TOAD! Clean up your OWN “state” before you EVEN try to clean up mine!


5 posted on 01/19/2012 10:13:48 AM PST by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: Beagle8U
I've heard tell some of the folks want it moved to November 15th.

Even so, they'd STILL probably get it wrong!

6 posted on 01/19/2012 10:15:13 AM PST by Logic n' Reason (N/A)
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To: US Navy Vet

"YOU GUTLESS, SPINELESS LITTLE TOAD! Clean up your OWN “state” before you EVEN try to clean up mine!"

Yeah, I'm a, "GUTLESS, SPINELESS LITTLE TOAD!" because I point out that this a complete joke. Okey dokey.

You want to try to defend this debacle in Iowa? Emphasize on the word "try"...

7 posted on 01/19/2012 10:18:15 AM PST by Qbert ("The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry" - William F. Buckley, Jr.)
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To: Beagle8U
Time to move the Iowa fustercluck to late June.

I agree. What an embarrassment... I stayed up til 3am ET waiting for the "winner" of the Iowa caucuses, and we still don't really know who it is.

Unreal... Iowans can't even handle their own caucuses while the entire world watches. "First in the Nation Clown Show" is a perfect title.

8 posted on 01/19/2012 10:20:56 AM PST by nutmeg
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To: Qbert

The biggest lie about Iowa?
That this face to face campaigning is so meaningful. That it is so important to block out the media and the ads for these wonderful brilliant Iowans to get to “know” the candidates. It is such an important part of the campaign.

Yeah, right.
So after a year of getting to know the candidates, Newt has a huge lead.
Two weeks of ads hit, and Newt loses two thirds of his support.

Yeah, that “retail’ campaigning was real important to those wonderful Iowans wasn’t it?


9 posted on 01/19/2012 10:24:31 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: US Navy Vet
YOU GUTLESS, SPINELESS LITTLE TOAD! Clean up your OWN “state” before you EVEN try to clean up mine!

Hey Vet,

I don't know the gutless, spineless, little toad that you refer to, but, if Iowa is your state, you can't defend what happened and it shouldn't be "cleaned up" it should be ignored.

No way that this bunch of corn huskin' pig farmers, that have proven that they can't count and can't keep track of a few precincts 1,700, hell we have 12,000 in PA, why should we even acknowledge the hawkeye cauci?

10 posted on 01/19/2012 10:25:34 AM PST by USS Alaska (Nuke The Terrorist Savages)
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To: Logic n' Reason

LOL


11 posted on 01/19/2012 10:26:45 AM PST by nutmeg
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To: NautiNurse

ping


12 posted on 01/19/2012 10:28:22 AM PST by nutmeg
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To: C. Edmund Wright

"The biggest lie about Iowa? That this face to face campaigning is so meaningful....Yeah, that “retail’ campaigning was real important to those wonderful Iowans wasn’t it?"

I agree as to your point about the negative attacks on Newt, but the face to face strategy did work for Santorum. He was the only one to visit all 99 counties.

13 posted on 01/19/2012 10:37:05 AM PST by Qbert ("The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry" - William F. Buckley, Jr.)
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To: nutmeg
Oh yeah...I fogot to mention....

In speaking with an Iowan, they told me that Iowa is going to withdraw from the Electical College because supporting 7 electrical votes has proven to be too expensive what with the cost of energy and all.

!!!!!!!!

14 posted on 01/19/2012 10:39:31 AM PST by Logic n' Reason (N/A)
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To: Qbert

Doesn’t change this fact:

Two weeks of negative ads totally wiped out what was accomplished by the full year of the face to face stuff - and we are told that we should pay attention to Iowa because it is the one state where TV ads will not decide it.

TV ads did indeed decide the outcome.


15 posted on 01/19/2012 10:40:41 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: Qbert

Understand that the idiot in Iowa that was in charge of vote counting lacked a few districts and declared Romney the winner anyway with 8 vote count. Now we find a recount list Rick Santorum the winner but won’t declare because the same districts cannot find Tally. What horse shi!.


16 posted on 01/19/2012 10:41:45 AM PST by Logical me
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To: Logical me

“It’s not the people who vote that count. It’s the people who count the votes.” (Josef Stalin)


17 posted on 01/19/2012 10:46:29 AM PST by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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To: USS Alaska

we have 12,000 in PA, why should we even acknowledge the hawkeye cauci?


Pennsylvania? Ya right, home of the clean elections. Gimme a break. The caucuses were run by the party with probably 4 thousand volunteers involved in tabulating and reporting the totals from small precincts across the state . Pennsylvania is a great state but don’t preach to others about fair elections. PA would be proud to have such a record as Iowa.


18 posted on 01/19/2012 10:47:43 AM PST by cornfedcowboy (Trust in God, but empty the clip.)
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To: Qbert
Nope, Iowa (media) was told, in advance, that Mitt won by a squeaker - period.

How do I know this, having listed to all of the "talking heads" this morning after the "news" about Iowa really being won by Santorum, was really "no news on account of all of the publicity of Iowa being won by Romney!"

Of course, that WAS the "news" from every news reader and "talking head" about "Mitt really didn't campaign yet still managed to win, even by a slim margin, yada, yada, yada....."

Now that word is out that Mitt did NOT win and even lost by a much larger count than he was supposed to have won,, to the media (and presumably to the Establishment), it doesn't really matter at all who won - Romney is still the winner!

How sick/slick is that - you lose but in the eyes of media/liberals/Establishment RINOs - you are still the winner!!!

19 posted on 01/19/2012 11:04:46 AM PST by zerosix (native sunflower)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

"TV ads did indeed decide the outcome."

But there's something else- I've always felt with them, that in the end, the biggest thing that matters is ethanol. They are a corn state, and they vote for the person they feel will do the most to protect this interest.

20 posted on 01/19/2012 11:05:30 AM PST by Qbert ("The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry" - William F. Buckley, Jr.)
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To: Qbert

Yes, ethanol is another reason to ignore the whole thing. I agree.


21 posted on 01/19/2012 11:10:12 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: cornfedcowboy
Pennsylvania? Ya right, home of the clean elections. Gimme a break.

Nope, we have corruption in all of the major cities in PA.

I'm a poll watcher so I know, first hand, the lengths that the demonRATs will go, to win by fraud.

That has nothing to do with Iowa's pig farmers that don't know how to count and can't keep track of a couple of precincts.

Those sanctimonious crap kickers just want to drink coffee on TV and get interviewed every four years so they can pontificate about not making up their collective single brain celled mind, until the night of the cauci, when, the light will come on, and they will commit.

Why should a country of 310,000,000 pay that kind of attention to 120,000 farmers that can't keep track of a few ballots?

22 posted on 01/19/2012 11:14:15 AM PST by USS Alaska (Nuke The Terrorist Savages)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
Yep. The whole thing is a sham on many levels. The sooner they get dumped as the "first in the nation", the better, IMHO.
23 posted on 01/19/2012 11:20:23 AM PST by Qbert ("The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry" - William F. Buckley, Jr.)
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To: Qbert

Except that the tax credit ended, and no one is screaming for it. Corn prices are so high now that ADM, Kraft, and other food producers are laying people off.

The extra nickle in corn prices doesn’t mean much now. Hasn’t for a few years honestly. The end of the blending credit didn’t make the news.


24 posted on 01/19/2012 11:21:35 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: USS Alaska

What’s to clean up. A caucus is run by local folks, not professional politicians. They take an informal straw poll there. The results have nothing to do with how Iowa’s convention delegates vote.


25 posted on 01/19/2012 11:22:08 AM PST by DManA
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To: USS Alaska
If you follow the news, it isn't that the counts were wrong at the caucus areas, it is the the Voter Service reported them wrong.

The counts get called in, and the paper ballots are locked up and then shipped to Des Moines. What happened is that a ballot watcher noticed that the counts reported for Dubuque county didn't match the actual count total. This was reported very early on, and was confirmed, but the state GOP didn't acknowledge it.

Long story short, it was rigged.

26 posted on 01/19/2012 11:25:33 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: redgolum
True, but...:

"Why would an industry give up a subsidy? Maybe because it wasn't subsidizing the industry anymore. Thanks to the ethanol mandates in the 2005 and 2007 energy bills, ethanol demand is now driven by mandates rather than tax credits..."  

27 posted on 01/19/2012 11:29:14 AM PST by Qbert ("The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry" - William F. Buckley, Jr.)
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To: Qbert

True in part.

It is also true that a lot plants have failed, and more to follow.

Which is good for me, I can get a used decanter centrifuge for cheaper.


28 posted on 01/19/2012 11:35:00 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Qbert

Yep, Iowa is just small potatoes...

By may count, based on our esteemed President’s proclamation, we still have 55 more states to go... Lots of room there...


29 posted on 01/19/2012 12:01:18 PM PST by coldoc
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To: Qbert

Yep, Iowa is just small potatoes...

By may count, based on our esteemed President’s proclamation, we still have 55 more states to go... Lots of room there...


30 posted on 01/19/2012 12:01:32 PM PST by coldoc
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To: redgolum
"it was rigged"

We are well on the way to having to vote for the guy that the republican old buys club gave us - again.
The bogus caucus "win" was given to him by stalwart pubby volunteers.
In any event, a caucus is just about the worst possible means of selecting a candidate - witness Ron Paul's strong performance when the Paulbots show up in gross numbers.

A caucus is "rigged" simply by it's partisan "volunteer" make up at the start - in this instance those volunteers were also either dumb or incompetent.
Just allowing Iowa to hand out the first indication of relative standing puts a bias on all the primaries that follow.

31 posted on 01/19/2012 12:01:47 PM PST by norton
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To: coldoc

“May” = “my” . Darn Spell Checkers..


32 posted on 01/19/2012 12:09:55 PM PST by coldoc
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