Posted on 01/20/2012 3:28:33 PM PST by BigReb555
Dr. Edward C. Smith, respected African-American Professor of History at American University in Washington, D.C., told the audience in Atlanta, Georgia during a 1995 Robert E. Lee birthday event, ‘Dr. Martin Luther King and Robert E. Lee were individuals worthy of emulation because they understood history.’
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The only chips around here is the horseapple I sidestep and you chew on, Pardner
and it seems to me, with your repitition of being bested, I would bet YOU are the one who a Yankee spit on your grandpappy’s grave before it was dug
or was it spit?
“Evacuating Lee” and “Granny Lee” is what he was called after pulling out of western Virginia.
He owned 5 slaves personally, a female “Nancy” and her 4 boys. I always wondered, what happened to the girl children. The chances of 4 boys and no girls is about 1 in 16.
You might aspire to a higher intelligence than you routinely exhibit here.
You might aspire to a higher intelligence than you routinely exhibit here.
You come in here to piss on a great American hero and call Southerners racist? Is that your schtick? Really?
“...I live in Dixie down here...i have heard the N-Word more times
here in the last 1.5 years than I have up north in 20 years...”
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You need to hang out with a better class of people.
changing your tactic once you see the last one didn’t work either??
My tactic? What the hell is wrong with you? You got some marbles loose boy?
The Church i attend is almost 50% Yankee transplants
but when the locals feel relaxed, it comes out.
it is cultural, most not overtly racist, but definitely segregationist
I heard stuff from the Black families, too, kids only so far, most Black adults are silent, scared, polite, but when I start speaking, they open up more and are friendlier
This place is a Jerry Springer audition, so much of it is astounding, the backbiting, the sleeping around, the family relationships, the drug use...I was stunned
the sterotype of it just being polite and nicer is so much a mirage, there is serious abuse going on, meth, drunkenness, racism
So little hope, no major industries to have built up an educated work force by demanding educated people to do more difficult work and jobs, so the general educational level and intellectual level is high school
the wages are dirt low, the people moving into the nearest city are buying up land and homes that look like mansions that the normal folk here will never be able to afford and are only being bought by yankees moving south to work in that city nearby
It will take over a generation for the locals to catch up to that intellectual level, if they make it, geographically, there is tons of land, few people, no place to go to work that aint 50 miles away sometimes.
nothing to really do for fun it seems except go to bars for many people
I have clung to my Church friends more and more, where I worked only had one guy and the boss, the rest were ladies
Twisting history? Oh, I didn’t twist anything.
I merely pointed out some well known historical similarities between the rebellion of 1775 and the rebellion of 1861. I realize that they are difficult and uncomfortable for the modern pseudoyankeeus dimwitticus, but that’s the fun of bringing up uncomfortable facts.
So to return to the point, here’s a few questions for you. They only require only a Yes or a No, so I don’t think that they will be too difficult for you to answer. This is an open book test, so feel free to do some research before answering.
Was George Washington an English citizen?
Was George Washington a leader of the rebellion against the government of England?
Was secession from England the goal of that rebellion?
Was George Washington a slaveowner?
Was the Earl of Dunmore the royal governor of the Colony of Virginia?
Did Dunmore’s Proclamation of 1775 declare all patriots to be traitors to the Crown?
Did Dunmore’s Proclamation offer emancipation to “all indentured servants, Negroes, or others...that are able and willing to bear arms...”?
Have at it, Zero-8-11.
I’m curious...geographically...just where in Dixie are you experiencing this?
“What I find ironic here on FR are those who speak of Lee and such as traitors. “
There’s no IQ test to keep them from posting so they are free post the stuff that rattles around inside their noggins. Evidently it puffs them up to imagine themselves as great patriots and Lee, Jackson and the rest as traitors.
But we can take solace in the fact that George Marshall and Dwight Eisenhower joined us in admiration of Lee and Jackson, hanging their portraits in their offices. I’m not sure who’s with the haters, but it’s probably the likes of Ward Churchill and Michael Moore.
I would rather not say, but, it is the heart of Dixie, because of debates like this online, I wanted to make an observation myself down here before I join the state board
Most of it, i like, but most of the defenders of it, no, it aint like that
It aint like IN THE HEAT OF THE NIGHT either, that I havent seen, but the remnants are still here
I am SHOCKED to see how North Carolina is so liberal, though, just stunned, they are drifting to the dark side completely, the crime and shootings I hear of were not expected, especially in a state of only 8 or 9 Million people which is 25 times larger than CT where I came from!
It doesn't surprise me a bit. Lost Causers like to talk it up like they're the bee's knees of conservationism when in reality most of them are losertarians. I was just in Charlotte and, except for the southern drawl, you can't tell it from seattle.
FIFY
Perhaps you’re going to have to throw Washington under the bus in order to remain consistent.
Your attempt to compare George Washington and our Founding Fathers to the southron slavrocracy falls on its face for many reasons. The colonists lacked representation - indeed they weren't even considered legitimate English subjects. Surely you remember "taxation without representation", don't you? They fought to be recognized in Parliament but to no avail. The south not only had representation in all three branches of government - they figured prominently for 70 years preceding their little temper tantrum.
The colonists tried for years for an opportunity to air their greivences but the crown ignored them. Congress got an earful every time a slaver got a stray hair - and more often than not gave them what they whined about.
The colonists didn't try to delude themselves - or each other as to their ambitions, they were rebelling against the crown. They knew that if they failed they would hang. The slavrocracy concocted the notion of unilateral secession in order to make themselves feeeeel better about their treachery. They knew that what they were doing was wrong, but they didn't care.
Perhaps just bent its ears a bit ;-)
...modern pseudoyankeeus dimwitticus...
Now how do you expect to have a respectful discussion like that?
Was George Washington an English citizen?
No. He wanted to be. He yearned to become a proper British solder, but his entreaties were rebuffed. Washington was largely self-trained as a solder.
Was George Washington a leader of the rebellion against the government of England?
Well duh!
Was secession from England the goal of that rebellion?
No. We weren't co-equal partners with England - we were one step up from slaves ourselves. The goal of the colonists was to break away from the crown.
Was George Washington a slaveowner?
Yup. Washington was conflicted about the Peculiar Institution, which was largely accepted at that time. He arranged for manumission of his slaves upon the death of Martha. This differs substantially from the landscape in 1861 when most of the civilized world had rejected slavery.
Was the Earl of Dunmore the royal governor of the Colony of Virginia? Did Dunmore’s Proclamation of 1775 declare all patriots to be traitors to the Crown?
Yes and yes.
Did Dunmore’s Proclamation offer emancipation to “all indentured servants, Negroes, or others...that are able and willing to bear arms...”?
Sure. curiously, the southrons couldn't bring themselves to do the same until it was too little, too late.
You pleading for a respectful discussion is one of the more amusing bits of irony I’ve read here lately.
But to grade your paper- GW learned military science from his step brother and guardian Lawrence. Lawrence had been a British colonial officer in Britain’s expedition against the Spaniards in the New World, and named his Virginia farm Mount Vernon in honor of his CO Admiral Vernon.
George followed in his elder brother’s footsteps as a British colonial officer. George in fact ignited the 7 Years War between France and Britain in a little fracas near Fort Duquesne, hardly possible if, as you aver, he was not an Englishman. He was however, so you need to correct your answer to question #1.
“The goal of the colonists was to break away from the crown.”
Mr Rock, not to put too fine a point on it but “break away” is the very definition of secession. So while it grieves me to do it, I am compelled to mark your answer wrong. You’re 1 for 3 at this point.
“He arranged for manumission of his slaves upon the death of Martha. “
Washington wasn’t conflicted to the point that he didn’t try to recapture his runaway cook two years before his death. And lest you walk away with the erroneous belief in your noggin that all of the Washington slaves were manumitted at his death, the truth is that fewer than half were. The larger number were “dower” slaves that had originally belonged to his father in law, and these slaves continued to belong to the Washington heirs after his death.
“Sure. curiously, the southrons couldn’t bring themselves to do the same until it was too little, too late.”
Good to see you supporting Lord Dunmore and the Crown against the rebel Washington. I knew there was some Tory Loyalist in you. Every modern neo-yankee should be as forthright as you are. Well done.
Irony implies incongruity. While you've insulted other FReepers I've merely posted opinions. The only irony is your pretense at civility.
GW learned military science from his step brother and guardian Lawrence.
...and not a military academy. That's one for me.
...hardly possible if, as you aver, he was not an Englishman.
Not only possible but an actual occurrence. He wasn't, you're wrong, and that's two for me.
Mr Rock, not to put too fine a point on it but “break away” is the very definition of secession.
Sorry Mr. Pel (or is it Ham?), but you are wrong (again). That makes it 3-0 my favor. Oh, and the inference that I somehow support the crown? Laughingly idiotic on your part.
Thank you, kind sir. ;-)
A member of Grant's staff, he'd returned to Washington City immediately after the surrender ceremony at Appomattox Courthouse and was only a few blocks away from Ford's Theater when his father was shot. Summoned to his side, he was present when his father died.
Sixteen years later, he was the Secretary of War for President Garfield and was standing beside him when he was shot.
Twenty years later, Robert Lincoln was retired from public life but accepted an invitation from President McKinley to attend the Pan American Expo in Buffalo and was about fifty feet from the President when he was shot.
After that, Lincoln turned down all invitations that would put him in proximity to the President. The only time he accepted such an invitation was in 1922, for the dedication of the Lincoln Memorial. Barely a year later, President Harding suffered a heart attack and died in office.
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