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Santorum on Marianne Gingrich accusations: These are issues of character
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Posted on 01/20/2012 5:18:17 PM PST by chessplayer

Rick Santorum walked a fine line in his response to questions about Marianne Gingrich’s accusations against her ex-husband and Santorum’s GOP rival, Newt.

“Personal matters are personal matters, but they are matters that are — particularly when you are in public life as he was at the time and the people involved were also in a sense in public life — those issues are issues that people will look at,” Santorum responded.

“I believe in forgiveness, I’m called to believe in forgiveness,” he continued. “I do believe having some accountability to a higher calling other than self is a very, very important aspect and perspective that is important for leaders.

“To make the final comment, these are issues of character and these are issues that people will consider based upon the time, when, where, how all those thing will factor in and I’ll let people make that decision, I’m certainly not going to make it for them,” he said to a crowd of about 150 people.


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To: Randy Larsen

Huckabee did not knock out my candidate, Thompson, the slight chance Fred had was killed by the media, for instance just as he was gaining his momentum, they released the false story that he was pulling out, they ambushed him everytime his slow but steady, growth strategy paid off.

Besides since when does a Lt. Gov, and 3 time Governor candidate, have to pull out to make way for Mitt Romney, who spent $110,000,000.00 yet was beaten by Huckabee.


101 posted on 01/20/2012 6:43:05 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: newzjunkey; Saundra Duffy; All
You just can't help yourself in your sanctimoniousness. Is Newt's womanizing ongoing or well aired and in the past? Are there accusers of rape, sexual assault and the like against him? Has he lied under oath and obstructed justice?

Let's face it - anyone who tries to compare Newt's case with Clinton's is a moron of ground-thumping proportions.

Newt's marital indiscretions were a decade and a half age. Despite her being his third wife, he does appear, by all evidences, to be as happily and monogamously married as the other three candidates, including good Mormon Mitt Romney.

Newt has said he repented of his past sins. From everything we can see, this appears to be genuine, so I'm not sure why it's still an issue, other than the fact that it serves as a cheap, sleaze attack campaign tactic for supporters of other candidates.

102 posted on 01/20/2012 6:43:45 PM PST by Yashcheritsiy
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To: jwalsh07
Change you can believe in.

Mmmm....mmmm....mmmm

103 posted on 01/20/2012 6:45:17 PM PST by writer33 (Mark Levin Is The Constitutional Engine Of Conservatism)
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To: newzjunkey; Saundra Duffy
newzj, I might be mistaken because I don't have the time to search back five year's-worth of posts, but I'm pretty sure Saundra Duffy was, at least in 2008, a TOTAL Romney supporter, 100 percent die-hard. I doubt she gives a flying fig about Santorum. SHE WANTS ROMNEY, and she knows the best way to get Romney is through what some of us here think is Santorum's very own "character issue" -- pride.

One of the Seven Deadly -- the Bible doesn't call pride, envy, anger, sloth, avarice, gluttony, and lust "moral failings" for nothing.

104 posted on 01/20/2012 6:47:28 PM PST by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent)
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To: Saundra Duffy

And just what is trustworthy about Mitt?

At least Newt admits his past failings while Mitt denies them or lies about them.


105 posted on 01/20/2012 6:48:08 PM PST by SeaHawkFan
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To: American Constitutionalist
Should the same forgiveness that the Newt supporters are giving Newt should also be extended to Bill Clinton or John Edwards ? Suppose for example there was another GOP candidate running in this race who also had extramarital affairs and repented of it who was Newt's rival ? would that same person get the same treatment as Newt is getting and be forgiven ? The Newt supporters can't have it both ways, extend their forgiveness to some, but not to others, that's the height of hypocrisy... The outside would will see this as selective forgiveness. The problem with the Newt supporters is that they know this is true, but don't have the fortitude to admit it because, well, Newt is THEIR guy in this race. To the Newt supporters, Winning at all cost is more important than marriage, and the sight of hypocrisy.

I have to admit, this is probably one of the stupidest and most arrogant pieces of drek I've seen posted on FR - and that's saying something.

Newt's behaviour indicates that he repented and has genuinely changed his ways. Neither Clinton's nor Edwards' says the same. Further, if Santorum had had an affair, but genuinely appeared to have repented and tried to change his ways, then I'd extend to him the same willingness to say "Hey, yeah, you screwed up, but you put it away." as I am to Newt.

What gets me is all these sanctimonious, holier-than-thou types who don't seem to understand that if they've ever looked at a women to lust, then they're just as guilty as Newt is, scripturally speaking. And if they haven't, well, then they've got a sodomy problem to deal with.

But what *really* gets me is all these sanctimonious libertarian types who support legalising prostitution, yet suddenly think Newt's marital history is a big deal.

106 posted on 01/20/2012 6:48:47 PM PST by Yashcheritsiy
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To: kevao; jwalsh07

Well said, and might I add this: Doug Hoffman was an extraordinarily flawed candidate. Some upstate New Yorkers, big Reagan folks, said that Hoffman as this pure tea party type guy was a huge bunch of BS. So no, support of Dee Dee was not a good thing, but Hoffman had many many flaws too .


107 posted on 01/20/2012 6:51:33 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: Yashcheritsiy
" Let's face it - anyone who tries to compare Newt's case with Clinton's is a moron of ground-thumping proportions. "

There you go, selective forgiveness....

How about someone like John Edwards ?

Suppose for example there was another GOP candidate in this race who was Newt's rival who also had extramarital affairs, but, this person also repented of it, and went on and had a healthy successful marriage ? would this person get the same treatment as Newt is getting and be forgiven ? or would the Newt supporters trash this person because they are not THEIR guy in this race ?
You can't have it both ways.
108 posted on 01/20/2012 6:51:57 PM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: American Constitutionalist
Should the same forgiveness that the Newt supporters are giving Newt should also be extended to Bill Clinton or John Edwards ?

Speaking for this Christian -- if they asked me for it, YES.

What kind of a Christian are you, anyway?

109 posted on 01/20/2012 6:53:29 PM PST by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent)
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To: bimboeruption

EXCUSE ME???

THAT is the SICKEST RUDEST POST I HAVE EVER READ!

I have been married to the same man for 33 years and have defended Newt Gingrich and will continue whole heartedly!

I have NEVER CHEATED ON MY HUSBAND.

HOW DEAR YOU!


110 posted on 01/20/2012 6:54:02 PM PST by ConfidentConservative (If my people shall humble themselves and pray,I will hear from Heaven and heal their land.)
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To: American Constitutionalist
You can't have it both ways.

No, sir. You can't.

111 posted on 01/20/2012 6:54:32 PM PST by writer33 (Mark Levin Is The Constitutional Engine Of Conservatism)
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To: livius

“Somebody”

Uh oh. :-D

Now that you’ve kicked Santorum to the curb, don’t forget to grind your heel into his cheek. Maybe he’ll show his geeky depravity by offering you the other one. lol

The subtle ripping Santorum into shreds on a personal level continues....


112 posted on 01/20/2012 6:55:06 PM PST by Lauren BaRecall (I declare for Santorum)
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To: WestSylvanian

Toomey had a chance to win.

McCain was not going to be defeated, and for the 2008 ticket to have turned on itself would have dominated media coverage of the election cycle, proven that the nation was saved by electing the stable Obama rather than a sham/cuthroat, secretly divided GOP ticket and it would have laid waste to the gains of 2010.


113 posted on 01/20/2012 6:55:22 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: American Constitutionalist

Yes. If they say they were wrong, if they say they sinned, if they say they have gone to God in forgiveness, and if they sought reconciliation in their lives with all the people they have hurt. IF they said that - and neither Clinton, nor Edwards, have, then we have no right to judge what is truly in their hearts. And if it was a republican opponent of Newt, that would be off limits as far as I was concerned. Newt is a converted practicing Catholic, he has written books about restoring God to America. He has been married to the same woman for 11 years.

And he seems to take his faith very seriously - with the washington post actually agreeing:

WHAT KIND OF CATHOLIC IS NEWT GINGRICH? very worth the time to read...

link: http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/newt-gingrich-what-kind-of-catholic-is-he/2011/12/20/gIQA3wRgDP_story.html


114 posted on 01/20/2012 6:55:28 PM PST by true believer forever (First, they came for the rich.)
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To: Yashcheritsiy
" I have to admit, this is probably one of the stupidest and most arrogant pieces of drek I've seen posted on FR - and that's saying something. "

You just upset because someone called you on this....

Yes, I can forgive Newt of his past infidelity, but can he be trusted ? ....

Forgiveness and trust are 2 different things.

Forgiveness is what happens in the past, trust is what happens in the future.
115 posted on 01/20/2012 6:57:01 PM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: ansel12

Yep. In any case, Huckabee was not a conservative, so the entire charge that Thompson caused a “conservative” to lose is nonsense. Huckabee was pro-life and PRO GOVERNMENT. Some people think that being pro-life is the only thing required to be “conservative.” Such people are behaving stupidly, IMO.


116 posted on 01/20/2012 6:58:35 PM PST by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent)
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To: Yashcheritsiy

What gets me is that your post is excellent!! :) Well stated.


117 posted on 01/20/2012 7:00:49 PM PST by sand88 (Hey Rove et al, I will, with great pleasure, NOT cast a vote for the Statist Mitt.)
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To: Yashcheritsiy

WHAT YOU SAID!


118 posted on 01/20/2012 7:01:06 PM PST by ConfidentConservative (If my people shall humble themselves and pray,I will hear from Heaven and heal their land.)
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To: chessplayer

Didn’t his wife Karen, live -OUT OF WEDLOCK- with an abortion doctor for several years?

She we can forgive her sin and move on.. but not Newt’s?

That’s why people think he’s so sanctimonious.


119 posted on 01/20/2012 7:01:14 PM PST by Reagan69 (I supported Sarah Palin and all I got was a lousy DVD !)
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To: Lauren BaRecall

you don’t get it, do you? Sanctimonorum is judged harshly because he goes out of his way to project a goody two shoes perfection that is just nauseating. His fans are much the same. Newts followers knew exactly what they were signing up for - good and bad - when they signed up.

And there’s another little harsh reality: it’s called ABILITY versus STABILITY. Santorum admitted last night he “can’t get a rise out of the crowd” or make folks laugh - but he’s slow and steady, or something like that. Well guess what, slow and steady ain’t gonna win in the arena of ideas in 2012.

Ricks’ a nice guy. Wouldn’t mind living on his street. But I don’t see bigtime ability there. I just don’t.


120 posted on 01/20/2012 7:02:01 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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