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Posted on 01/22/2012 4:48:02 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
When Barack Obama joined Silicon Valley’s top luminaries for dinner in California last February, each guest was asked to come with a question for the president.
But as Steven P. Jobs of Apple spoke, President Obama interrupted with an inquiry of his own: what would it take to make iPhones in the United States?
Mr. Jobs’s reply was unambiguous. “Those jobs aren’t coming back,” he said, according to another dinner guest.
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Spoken like a true, mindless occupy something doofus.
It need not be slave labor. If labor/cost of living is half of what it is in the union-controlled US, foreign labor can substantially increase their income/standard of living AND the consumer gets to afford the product.
To me, it's a win-win.
If "slave labor" offends you, don't buy one. See? Not complicated.
If China invented electronics, she will never teach foreign nations how to do it. Thus if a foreign nation wanted to modernize and have some electronics, the only nation in the world that can make one for his country is China. That is how China will preserve their advantage in the world. Look at centuries of profit and power derived from silk.
Only an American businessman will think about himself first, himself second and himself third will embark on a self destructive and nation destructive course of profits at all costs. Of course the gov cannot stop him because he uses his money to lobby Congress to get out of the way. Working in tandem with him is Wall Street inventing paper investments on his company, leveraging, derivatives and etc till the system implodes. Producing nothing, manufacturing nothing except misery for Main Street Americans. All this will stop in my children’s lifetime. Revolution and transforming this nation like we did during the Industrial Revolution. There was a time the 1 percent created jobs and products, today they work with gov to produce paper and financial bubbles enriching themselves and destroying the lives of the middle class.
You don’t have to. Just copy the title of the article and paste it into Google. The link will come up, click it and the article will be there for the reading.
Great tip! It works. Need to remember this for the future. Thank you very much!!!!
I found the most frightening thing in the article to be that no one can just wave a magic wand and “bring manufacturing back”, because there is no infrastructure and no supply chain here for manufacturing anymore; there also no reasonably educated working class willing (or even competent) to get its hands dirty here. The only things that are “protected” in the US are things of too low of a value per pound to be shipped, plain and simple.
The end result is that there will be less wealth for the US in the future, and no politician or party of politicians can fix this in four years. A statesman could put the wheels in motion to repair the damage in a generation or two, but we don’t have any statesmen anymore, either.
Spoken like a true, mindless doofus who doesn't read the article.
China put a squadron of engineers at their disposal 24/7 in an on-site dormitory.
FoxConn has people jumping out of windows to escape their 20-hour per day jobs.
But you just go on and act like that's free-market capitalism if you think it makes you seem smart.
It is a real pain in the ass to lower security on your web browser to read their drivel..
My only point.
To say that we are inferior because of unions is one thing.
To say that we are inferior because we don't treat people like the ChiComs do is quite another.
Yes, there are obstacles and difficulties.
But they can be overcome, by a willingness to do the right things. For ex. China had nothing along the lines of a modern economy. Their economy 40 years ago, in many ways was the same economy from 1,000 years ago. But the Chinese government started doing the right things, economically speaking and now they have all the technological companies. Because China has gone too cheap, it will probably come back to haunt them at some point, due to a degraded environment and such.
Things can get turned around in the States as well, but the first step is to get government out of the way.
You sound like a union apologist. Reality is deeper than that.
In his career, Steve Jobs made considerable effort to build his products here. There's a long history of attempts but ultimately America's manufacturing base just isn't competitive enough. It's lazy and spartan.
Consider the iPhone, we now know when he rejected the scratchable plastic screen on his prototype in favor of glass. His directive could not be handled in the U.S. because American manufacturing moves at the speed of molasses and can't raise an army of 30,000 workers at the drop of a hat. China has that capacity. Asia has worked hard to build a competency in electronics manufacturing that we haven't cared to.
In the past 15 years, Jobs had many choice words for our "education" system and teacher unions as well.
The only thing that was cheap in China was food and counterfeit products.
Fuel and medicine are at market prices.
The average Chinaman makes about 3000 Yuan a month. About $80.00 US. There are many who make more, and they are the progeny of the intelligentsia, and government officials.
I got into an argument with my Chinese counterparts about good engineering practices when I blew a gasket on them and told them not to talk to me about good engineering practices. While we were putting men on the moon they were making pig iron using cow $h!t for fuel in the end neither one were good for anything.
I have a friend currently in China teaching English.
She and her roommate have a 2/2 with patio for about $20 US a month.
Her roommate makes $.75 US per hour, all other expenses are within the a normal ratio.
So that’s my experience, yours is really very different.
My husband works with Chinese nationals at his job in the US, and their education is equal to the people at his job.
So there must be great disparity in the country.
Quite the opposite, actually.
I quite agree that American productivity is inferior because of unions.
I don't agree that we are inferior because we don't treat labor like the ChiComs do.
You are intelligent enough to discern the difference there, aren't you?
The basics of life are very cheap there indeed. Fuel and pharmacuticals are at world market prices.
I have two issues with their engineers.
1) is that there is no history of good engineering. Their experience is less than 15 years tin total and most of these guys are in their early 20’s. there is no documentation of engineering changes, they just do them. When questioned about where the support for such a change, the test case and test summary report, you get fluff. When the parts are out of spec or simply don’t work, it is virtually impossible to isolate the cause.
2) The culture is at its base duplicitous. There is no honor, no shame. In dealing with westerners in business, they will constantly try to skirt the terms of the contract. Rather than just do as the contract stipulates, and things would go smoothly, they are constantly trying to get over on you. It is unrelenting, and tiring.
Obama would probably expect Apple to suck up the difference just to make him look good.
what slave labor? The pay in china are excellent
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There has to be a middle ground between UAW labor on one hand, and Chinese slave labor on the other.
The UAW represents theft of the investor class, the Chinese way is the theft of the worker. Both are immoral.
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