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Who Won the Florida NBC GOP Debate? Newt Gingrich First, Ron Paul Second, Mitt Romney Last
PolicyMic ^ | 24 Jan 12 | Chris Miles

Posted on 01/24/2012 5:55:37 AM PST by xzins

Are we watching the meltdown of GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney?

Fending off pointed attacks by fellow GOP candidates Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum ... Romney looked ...flustered, stiff, and at times just babbled

In comparison, Gingrich looked like he still had all the momentum from Saturday’s South Carolina primary win. He calmly answered questions ...(snip)

The biggest surprise in the debate: Gingrich was not asked about his personal transgressions, ...

...After his 12-point South Carolina win, Gingrich has surged ahead in the Florida polls, leading 41% to the former Massachusetts governor's 32%.

Still, Romney does expected to win Florida. Almost 200,000 absentee ballots have already been cast in the state... favor Romney. ...

But as Gingrich showed ... debate very much matters.

One point Gingrich hammered Romney on was his tax rate. Gingrich forced Romney to announce that he will release his tax records on Tuesday. ...He reaps millions of dollars a year from his former work at Bain Capital, though, maintains a low tax bracket. Gingrich in comparison pays a 31% tax rate.

Romney blasted Gingrich for his work at mortgage giant Freddie Mac, but ignored his own financial links to the organization.

...snip...Romney, though, had as much as $500,000 invested in Freddie Mac. All GOP candidates have blamed Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac for contributing to the housing crisis that helped to drag the nation into the Great Recession.

Ahead of next week’s Florida primary, Gingrich looks like he is gaining incredible steam. Romney — shell-shocked ...— looks like he’s out of answers.

And it might be a two-man race soon. In Florida, Rick Santorum is currently polling 11% ...

Monday’s debate turned out to be the slug fest most pundits thought it would be, with Gingrich the last man standing.

(Excerpt) Read more at policymic.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: South Carolina
KEYWORDS: 2012debates; election; gingrich; romneytruthfile; sc2012
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To: hoosiermama
Romney's big money hate campaign is backfiring on him in Florida, BIG TIME!

Iowa is a small state of moderate, gullible farmers, who still get their opinions and political affiliations through the MSM. The same tactics that both Romney and Paul used to destroy Newt won't work anywhere else. In fact, most modern Conservative deeply resent hate campaigns and backstabbing, dishonest, candidates like Romney and Paul. Santorum is also not well liked for much of the same.

101 posted on 01/24/2012 8:46:06 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: Tennessee Nana

Mark said most of the ethics charges were filed by a far-left Democrat, maybe John Conyers. Mark said Newt was advised to pay the $300,000, I think because it would have cost more to continue defending against the charges.

We saw the exact same thing played out with Sarah Palin, when she had to resign as governor because she couldn’t afford to defend herself from frivolous ethics charges. Newt might want to mention the comparison.


102 posted on 01/24/2012 8:59:45 AM PST by JediJones (Newt-er Romney in 2012!)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
In fact, most modern Conservative deeply resent hate campaigns

The absurdity of you stating the above after your habitual, non stop, desperate trash talking of all the other GOP candidates would be laughable if it were not so sad.

103 posted on 01/24/2012 9:00:16 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
Precisely.
My point was that Newt had set up the play:
1, He mentioned Alinsky (heard CNN do a segment on it)
2. He allowed Romney to continue the technique
3. He warned Romney that he was on to him
4. He has called those who enable the practice on their actions (the MSM)

Expect a home-run. Mitt like the enemies of the notorious Gaelic Warriors won't know what hit them....I'm hearing war-pipes!

104 posted on 01/24/2012 9:06:34 AM PST by hoosiermama
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To: MNJohnnie; Jim Robinson
Since you have a habit of stalking me, and continually make personal attacks without provocation, consider this a complaint.
105 posted on 01/24/2012 9:07:48 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: Tennessee Nana

thanks, TN.


106 posted on 01/24/2012 9:08:22 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray Continued Victory for our Troops Still in Afghan!)
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To: hoosiermama

Newt was putting his pieces in place on the board for a championship Chess game on Thursday...


107 posted on 01/24/2012 9:12:21 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: hoosiermama

Romney is getting desperate. What he thought worked for him in Iowa, is having the direct opposite effect from SC and beyond.

I think that the more Romney attacks Newt, he fails to focus on the real issues that he needs to, to get voters on his side. While Newt plays his intelligent strategy to his best advantage.

What Romney fails to realize is, Newt is one of the best Political Strategist of our time, in his own right. What Newt has done so far is outright masterful. Romney is more frustrated now than ever. As Romney continues to use all the wrong strategies, Newt runs away with it, on the grounds of knowing exactly what the electorate wants in a candidate.


108 posted on 01/24/2012 9:16:44 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: GraceG

Newt Gingrich = Obi-Wan (wisened Jedi master)

Rick Santorum = Luke Skywalker (whiny country boy)

Rick Perry = Han Solo (plainspoken cowboy gunslinger)

Sarah Palin = Princess Leia (handy with a gun and looks good in a bikini)

Mitt Romney = C-3PO (tends to ramble on nervously)

Rush Limbaugh = R2-D2 (round body, always has the right answers for you)

Chris Christie = Jabba the Hutt (obese, possible mob connections)

Ron Paul = Yoda (wrinkly, shriveled, preachy, all talk and no action)

Barack Obama = Lando (black guy who betrays you)

Joe Biden = Chewbacca (big, dumb, hairy sidekick)

Bill Clinton = Darth Vader (inspirational enemy leader and arch-nemesis of Newt/Obi-Wan)

George Soros = The Emperor (evil mastermind pulling the strings)

Ann Coulter = Boba Fett (vicious, ruthless, armed-to-the-teeth, gun-for-hire)


109 posted on 01/24/2012 9:21:00 AM PST by JediJones (Newt-er Romney in 2012!)
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To: conservativesister

It’s amazing how you can sit there and watch a debate like last night...come away thinking that, in my case, Newt won the debate handily, then you read and listen to pundits like Dick Morris etc saying tha Newt lost and Santorum won.

You go to NRO where they have a poll saying Romney won. (they must be in the tank for the guy).


110 posted on 01/24/2012 9:21:14 AM PST by nikos1121
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To: Leep

LOL.... that was quite good.

Dusty doilies, the smell of dusty doilies.


111 posted on 01/24/2012 9:24:25 AM PST by Gator113 (~Just livin' life, my way~..... GO NEWT GO.....!)
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To: conservativesister

I agree with you. Newt was cool and collected. He reminded me of Ali in his later prize fights where he had the opponent punch himself out.

HIs answers on Space exploration, Terry Schiavo, English as the national language, for example could not have been answered better even if he had days to think about the answer with a teleprompter.

I don’t think there is anyone who can think on his feet like Newt. How does he do it? Over and over, he does.

But this morning we hear others saying he lost the debate, and that he fizzled. I guess we’ll have to see what the polls show, but I can’t seen them changing more than a few points.


112 posted on 01/24/2012 9:24:55 AM PST by nikos1121
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To: JediJones

That’s funny, but Chewbacca is a good guy.


113 posted on 01/24/2012 9:26:18 AM PST by cornelis
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To: Lady Lucky

I think older voters will find reasons to fault Romney. They are not going to vote for a Mormon to begin with, and will find him last night petty, shrill, cagey and slick looking.

Newt on the other hand looks distinguished, Churchillian and confident.

IMHO


114 posted on 01/24/2012 9:27:40 AM PST by nikos1121
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To: xzins

I remind you that Newt at one point answered, “I’m not going to use my time to go after Governor Romney.” then he began to give a detailed answer on several issues.

Newt is a teacher. He’s in another league. I found myself thinking, how would he debate Obama? Will he push the Saul Alinsky moniker on him, and get him to repudiate it, which i would think Obama would do.

Romney is the product of handlers and consultants. It wasn’t until the end when the candidates were relaxed. Romney showed that he is well versed and naturally passionate about the banking business. He would be great as a Head of the Treasury Dept. but not the president.


115 posted on 01/24/2012 9:32:30 AM PST by nikos1121
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To: nikos1121
Only FOX is saying Newt “fizzled”. Most other reports I hear, say Newt won hands down and that Romney faltered.

If your impression of the debate came out as you describe, then it is probably that way for most who watched it. The pundits who are on Romney's payroll try to spin it, but most of us see it the way you described it.

Newt is firmly in control and all Romney has is his rhetoric and puppet media. But IT AIN'T WORKIN’ for the Romulan!

116 posted on 01/24/2012 9:36:11 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: Cboldt

Had there been applause, that exchange would have rocked.

HOW BETTER CAN THE GUY ANSWER THE ATTACK THAN TO SHOW HOW PETTY AND SHRILL ROMNEY WAS. THE GUY WOULDN’T STFU...LISTENED. EVERYONE IN THE ROOM THOUGHT ROMNEY LOOKED DESPARATE AND SLIMY.

FINALLY NEWT SAYS ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. THEN LATER IGNORES THE GUY ALL TOGETHER NOT WANTING TO WASTE ANYMORE TIME ON THE GUY.

If Santorum drops out now, the game is over. Why doesn’t he?


117 posted on 01/24/2012 9:38:34 AM PST by nikos1121
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To: nikos1121

There is no way I would let Romney anywhere near the Treasury Department, or any part of our Government. His term as Governor proves what I am saying.

Besides, Romney’s ego would not stoop as low as a cabinet position where he would actually have to work and solve real and difficult problems. Especially, considering the mess that the Treasury is now in.


118 posted on 01/24/2012 9:41:28 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: nikos1121; P-Marlowe; wmfights; onyx; TitansAFC
pundits like Dick Morris

English as national language

Space exploration

Terry Schiavo/life/euthanasia

It is not possible that you didn't realize as you listened to those answers that Newt Gingrich was head and shoulders above everyone else in the room.

Romney's attacks: it is not possible that you didn't realize Newt had given you a classy, informed answer and pointed you to additional information.

Romney: I didn't hear one positive response come out of the man's mouth.

In short, Romney was the failed governor of a small northeast state who lost the governnorship miserably even before the end of his first term. He is the failed senatorial candidate who was destroyed by his opponent and his inability to nimbly respond to attacks on his record of crony capitalism and medicare fraud (both of which our media is refusing to run....you can bet they'll run it when the opponent is Obama.)

119 posted on 01/24/2012 9:46:00 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray Continued Victory for our Troops Still in Afghan!)
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To: nikos1121
Santorum has always been a closet RINO. His pathetic Senate record proves it. I'm sure Romney has cut a deal with RINO Rick, because Romney's only hope of winning this against Newt, is to split the conservative vote. The 11% that Santorum is getting would all go to Newt, and Romney knows it.

RINO Rick is hoping for a VP slot, or cabinet position that I am sure Romney may have promised to him.

120 posted on 01/24/2012 9:48:15 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

The big talk today is that Newt is not listed in primaries in state adding to almost 600 delegates.

DOES ANYONE KNOW IF THIS IS TRUE?


121 posted on 01/24/2012 9:57:34 AM PST by nikos1121
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To: Tennessee Nana

You Betcha!


122 posted on 01/24/2012 9:59:15 AM PST by hoosiermama
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To: nikos1121

Yes, that is the secret weapon against Romney — his Romneyness.

Speaking of which, I was listening last night to a post-debate panel that included Andrea Mitchell. Even she thinks he’s less exciting than dishwater. Nor did anyone there argue the point.

So to Mormon, petty, shrill, cagey and slick you can add dull.

Whereas Newt crackles in most encounters. Romney can never compete with that.

It’s been a while since we had a potential nominee with style and pizazz!


123 posted on 01/24/2012 10:07:07 AM PST by Lady Lucky (A tea party in name only is worse than no tea party at all.)
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To: Lady Lucky

You are right about Florida being full of Seniors, but most of them are computer literate. In fact, there are Computer Classes in nearly all the Senior Centers, Assisted Living Facilities, and Elder Housing (over 55)Complexes.

Nearly 80% of my Spam email comes from Senior Citizens! Sometimes I get 10 “Forwards” a day from the same person! LOL. Once Seniors learn how to cut, paste, and Forward, you never hear the end of it! LOL.

Most of the jokes circulating are about getting “old”. And they are sent by seniors.

BTW, I am a Senior, a FReeper, a Tea Party Conservative, a Biker, and VERY computer literate. :-)


124 posted on 01/24/2012 10:10:19 AM PST by left that other site
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To: nikos1121

Newt can think on his feet for several reasons:

He’s extremely knowledgeable.

Lots of experience from his days as a professor.

He very disciplined (In contract to what others want you to believe) He chooses his actions and does NOT react.

He as identified his target.


125 posted on 01/24/2012 10:21:04 AM PST by hoosiermama
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To: xzins; All
Brian Williams and NBC set it up for Romney by banning applause, knowing full well that applause lines would go to Gingrich, which, in turn, would show him to be the more exciting candidate.

Williams also set Romney up for a possible great finish by encouraging him to provide his interpretation of "conservatism" by explaining what he had done on its behalf.

In America, over the past few decades, there are shining examples of business leaders who, perceiving threats to free enterprise principles by their government, made bold efforts to warn their fellow citizens and to "conserve" (preserve) founding principles.

For instance, one such business leader in Illinois named James R. Evans wrote a book of warning way back in the 80's. Another business leader in North Carolina, W. D. Stedman, spent years investing dollars and efforts in a free enterprise education program and related national programs intended to "preserve" (conserve) the ideas of liberty, including books, radio messages, speeches, etc. As part of that program he used excerpts from the Evans book, as follows:

"1. Does this legislation or idea increase, or decrease, individual freedom and creativity?

"2. Does this legislation or idea increase, or decrease, the power of some citizens over other citizens?

"3. Does this legislation or idea recognize that the persons who will exercise the power are themselves imperfect human beings?

"4. Does this legislation or idea recognize that government is incapable of creating wealth?

"5. Does this legislation or idea authorize taking from some what belongs to them, and giving it to others to whom it does not belong?
If 'thou shalt not steal' is a valid commandment, can we assume that it is meant to apply only to individuals and not to government (which is made up of individuals), even if those persons in power pass laws which sanction such redistribution of the wealth of others?'

"6. Does this legislation or idea encourage, or discourage, the very highest level of morality and responsibility from the individual?
. . .when government makes actions 'legal' by some citizens at the expense of other citizens, the result may be behavior which would not be considered possible by individuals acting alone.

"7. Does this legislation or idea propose that the 'government' do something which the individual cannot do without committing a crime?"**

**7 principles drawn from James R. Evans book, "America's Choice: Twilight's Last Gleaming or Dawn's Early Light" and reprinted in a Stedman Corporation (Asheboro, NC) booklet entitled "I'm Only One, What Can I Do?" Many others, across this nation, have made similar efforts in what is called the effort for "conservatism."

Now, the question is:

What was Mitt Romney doing on behalf of "conservatism" as a young business leader, and in the intervening years? Just participating in the benefits of free enterprise does not qualify as working to preserve it!

126 posted on 01/24/2012 10:49:57 AM PST by loveliberty2
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
Just a single example of your utter hypocrisy. Really want to play this game? You have left hundreds of these sort of garbage postings around here for us to choose from.

Day Two of the Great VA GOP Meltdown Saturday, December 24, 2011 12:20:49 PM · 78 of 309 PSYCHO-FREEP to C. Edmund Wright

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127 posted on 01/24/2012 11:52:55 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: nikos1121
-- The big talk today is that Newt is not listed in primaries in state adding to almost 600 delegates. --

That might be literally true, but it is misleading. Some number of delegates, in every state, are not assigned on the basis of the presidential preference primary activities. There are "superdelegates" who are free to vote as they please at the convention, regardless of the outcome of the state's primary process.

I suspect that some states filing deadlines are in the future, too.

The only oddity that I m aware of of is Virginia, where the GOP is only allowing Romney and Paul to appear on the ballot. I don't know if the Virginia primary rules allow write in; but if they do, I'd bet on Newt undertaking activity in VA, encouraging write in.

128 posted on 01/24/2012 11:55:27 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: C. Edmund Wright

This is my complaint.

Why don’t they go after Obama as viciously as they go after one another.

What ever happened to party unity?


129 posted on 01/24/2012 12:48:33 PM PST by Warthog-2 (Ron Paul. That's all.)
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To: Diogenesis

That is funny!


130 posted on 01/24/2012 12:49:50 PM PST by Warthog-2 (Ron Paul. That's all.)
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To: nikos1121

It’s all in the eye of the beholder.


131 posted on 01/24/2012 12:52:28 PM PST by Warthog-2 (Ron Paul. That's all.)
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To: Warthog-2

The sad part is they don’t even have to believe in party unity to go after obama first. Its’ the smart way to the top. It’s now Newt climbed to the top BOTH times he climbed. And by going after obama, that includes the Obama media and all of liberalism .


132 posted on 01/24/2012 1:06:22 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: nikos1121
HIs answers on...Terry Schiavo...for example could not have been answered better even if he had days to think about the answer

Except that Terri was not in a coma. Even Santorum's answer could have been improved. The questioner then pivoted to DNR orders (do not resuscitate) which have nothing whatsoever to do with the Schiavo case, yet no one pointed that out. Newt did best, though, by saying that if she'd been a convict on Death Row, the appeal would have been automatic.

133 posted on 01/24/2012 2:06:50 PM PST by Lady Lucky (A tea party in name only is worse than no tea party at all.)
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To: teenyelliott

I’m glad you brought up Drudge. He’s obviously a Romniac. I tell you what, last night was the press getting even with Newt. They straight-jacketed the audience and then just let Romney go on and on. I wonder how many minutes Romney had the microphone last night. One thing Newt did prove though last night ... he restrained himself, he disciplined himself (maybe too much) but the notion that he can’t hold his tongue is off the table in my view. There was one point when I thought, “Boy if that were me I’d just punch Romney right in his lying snoot!” And has anyone noticed that the story of Romney investing 1/2 million in Fannie has barely got a mention by any of the so-called “mainstream” Internet Sites! (Kinda creepy).


134 posted on 01/24/2012 4:38:15 PM PST by Soundthealarm
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