Posted on 01/24/2012 11:14:17 AM PST by SteveH
But filing on the morning of the hearing doesn’t afford the plaintiff(s) time to file their objections, so the judge can’t decide then and there. I read elsewhere on this thread that in issuing the order denying the motion to quash, the judge told Obama’s attorney to file any reconsideration motion by Monday, and that wasn’t done.
We all wondered why Obama produced such a BAD forgery. I’m wondering if it was so we would think that if we proved the PDF to be a forgery we would forget that the HDOH does have a forged BC in their files and have shown a willingness to alter official records for Obama’s sake and to present the altered record as if it was genuine.
I have no doubts that Loretta Fuddy would photocopy the forgery in her office and certify it - especially if there is no proof that what Obama posted is different than the certified copy. And Obama’s lawyers would argue that Full Faith and Credit means the certified BC has to be considered prima facie evidence. At that point it doesn’t matter if the PDF is fake. Orly would have fallen prey to a bait-and-switch. At that point the only evidence that matters is if the authenticity of the BC that is presented is contradicted by other evidence, or if the integrity of the HDOH itself is proven to be compromised so that the certification cannot be trusted.
At the point that a CERTIFIED BC is submitted, the honesty of Obama is moot. At that point all that matters in the eyes of the law is the honesty of the certifying authority and whether any evidence that was submitted to the court contradicts the certified BC or shows that the HDOH has acted in bad faith and therefore can’t be trusted.
Regarding the lawyers, Joe Sandler of Perkins Coie had Nancy Pelosi sign a perjurious OCON for Hawaii. All the players on Obama’s side are already so compromised that the best they can hope for is to keep the sh!t from hitting the fan, because if any of the records are audited they will all be toast. Considering that, what’s another lifetime in jail when you’ve already got so many you can never serve them all anyway?
In short, they’ve got nothing to lose. The best they can hope for is to present something that satisfies the letter of the law so the requests for an audit of the records can be called unnecessary.
Back when Abercrombie balked at showing the forged BC for Obama, we were discussing state eligibility bills here on FR. I was saying it was absolutely critical that state eligibility bills authorize any challenging party to audit the computer transaction logs and complete vital records history because the HDOH itself is breaking laws to cover for Obama and could just as easily fabricate records out of whole cloth also. I believe Abercrombie (and perhaps Neal Palafox as well) wasn’t sure whether to go ahead with presenting the forgery because if any of the state eligibility bills passed to allow an audit he would be criminally liable.
Well.... none of the states passed that kind of eligibility bill, and sure enough, Obama presented a forgery. But not in court, so no audit could be required. Georgia can’t force the HDOH to obey a subpoena. A state court is the ideal place for Obama to try to get the certified fake into a legal setting without the risk of the HDOH HAVING to cough up the records for an audit. Notice that the only subpoena Malihi affirmed was the subpoena for Obama. Not the subpoena for HDOH records. The only setting Obama dares to present the certified forgery in is where the certification is supposed to be honored but the HDOH can’t be forced to submit to an audit. That sounds like what we’ve got here.
Ah yes, I should have taken the time to look him up. At least the eligibility crowd are not the only people that are some times prone to be defended by lawyers who fail to impress (Phil Berg , Andy Martin, etc.).
Thanks.
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The US has never supposed that the Constitutional term of art,“natural born citizen”, as requirement for the office of President,required any affirmative legislation by the Congress, for allcandidates have always been the natural born children of US citizenmothers and thus were, by mere nativity, regardless of situs, “naturalborn citizen”(s).
President Blessed Barack Obama, is admittedly the child of his UScitizen mother, and thus within the natural plain meaning of theConstitution, President Obama, though born in the US occupiedabdicated Kingdom of Hawaii (Fullard-Leo v US, Supreme Court of the USrejects the US assertion of de jure sovereignty in the Palmyra Atoll,48 USC 644a, 28 USC 91), thus remains, as from his birth to hismother, a natural born citizen.
Prayer For Relief
1. Recommend the California Bar enquire whether Dr. Taitz DDS hasunethically associated her practice of law with a California SupremeCourt disbarred attorney (as the Washington Post recently opined).
2. Permit intervention, jus tertii, as Relator for the US and theCherokee Nation, 25 USC 175, in US occupied Cherokee “Georgia”.
3. Declare that “natural born citizen” must naturally, plainly,semantically mean, in a self-executing sense, the children of a UScitizen mother, and by statute, through the uniform naturalization andnecessary and proper authorities of the Congress, extended by theprinciple of equal protection embodied in the fourteenth and fifteenthamendments (adoption of which was imposed on rebellious Georgia ascondition precedent to readmission by Congress of representatives fromGeorgia), to include children of US citizen fathers even when bornabroad, as statutory, natural born citizens, see 8 USC 1401(a),compare Elk v Wilkins, 8 USC 1401(b), accord Rubi v Mindoro.
4. Declare that Van Irion has standing as an occupant in CherokeeGeorgia, under Bond v US (524 US____, 2011) to request constitutionalinterpretation that the President is a natural born citizen throughbirth to his US citizen mother.
5. Declare that the decision in Happensett parses only the possessionof the civil right to vote, and not the rights of citizenship (8 USC1503) to an American nationality and its privileges and immunities of protection on the high seas or abroad (Slaughterhouse Cases), nor thetransmission of American nationality.
6. Declare that Indians not taxed, at birth, are constitutional American nationals, though not citizens of the United States (Elk vWilkins, Article I Indian clause, Indians not taxed clauses,Fourteenth Amendment, sixteenth amendment), see 8 USC 1401(a,b) (or (1,2)).
7. Declare that Africans are whites, being non-Indians, see Wilson vOmaha Tribe on 25 USC 94 burden of proofs in civil land title actionsaffecting Indian lands’ alloidal aboriginal title (Carino v Insular).
8. Declare that the paternal nationality status nor situs of nativityaffect the constitutional status of the President as a natural borncitizen through his mother.
9. Declare that the fourteenth amendment and fifteenth amendment,equal protection of the law, require the result that a US citizenmother indeed conveys and transmits to her children, their naturalborn citizen status, under the Constitution, as a self-executing, motuproprio grant, and only children of US citizen fathers requirestatutory transmission of American nationality by nativity whilstabroad.
9. Declare that Hawaii remains occupied, US v Fullard-Leo, Mankichi vTerritory, Kawakanoa v Territory, Duncan v Kahanamoku, Duarte v Dade(military government may be conducted by democratic election processessubject to the Commander ( in Chief)).
10. Declare Van Irion’s argument that US citizen mothers who serve inthe US armed forces in combat abroad, are not good enough to conveythat true allegiance necessary for fidelity in executing the duties of the office of Commander in Chief, is spurious, ahistorical,counterfactual, and contrary to the constitutional principle of equalprotection.
11. Declare American mommies fully able to convey Americanness totheir American (citizen) born children.
12. Grant the writ of prohibition and mandamus restraining OSAH and JudgeMalihi and the Secretary of State of Georgia, from any determination of theconstitutional eligibility of any person for the office of President or VicePresident, such authority being textually committed by the Constitution to theCongress in sole, original and exclusive first jurisdiction. Quash the subpoenaissued by Judge Malihi to the Hawaii Vital Records Registrar.
Respectfully,
Dr. Paul Maas Risenhoover Robin Hood International Human Rights Legal Defense FundTainan, allied American Formosa trust territory island of TAIWAN, WestPacific, USA end quote
Yeesh.
IMO Hatfield’s instincts are right. This court is not about arguing everything possible. It has limited jurisdiction. But the limited jurisdiction it has is very important.
IF Team O fails to produce him (100% probability) and/or acceptable documentation, Malahi can just issue an order keeping him off the GA ballot. That would actually be plenty damaging politically, even tho chances of O carrying that state’s EV’s are slim to none. It will wake up a lot of folks who would wonder about why he wouldn’t do the minimum required to be on the ballot.
I know a lot of times the attorneys just bring the motions to the hearing. Maybe Obama just doesn’t give a chit. He’s not going to show. He’s claiming executive privilege. My girlfriend who is an attorney says they can just file an appeal on the motion to quash and drag things out longer. Maybe thats what they are going to do. Who knows? This thing will likely not be settled on Thurs.
In this case, the State of Georgia has a deadline to meet to print its ballots, get the absentee/military ballots out, etc. They can delay only so much. I’m assuming they’re talking general election, so probably the outside date is sometime in September.
If O showed up Thursday, we’d all be so shocked. No way that’s going to happen. But if the judge believes a certified copy of a HI birth certificate is adequate, and the attorney brings one with raised seal, that would end this process, with the plaintiffs having to file the appeal. Since the hearing is in 3 parts, and includes constitutional eligibility questions plus whatever Taitz brings up, it’s not likely there will be a decision any too soon.
Obama may show up Betty-White style via satellite uplink or Memorex, holding a printout of his PDF, “Look, I gots me a birth certificate and as you can see, it’s real. Puts me on the ballot, judge. I gots me important things to do.”
Here we are, 200 years after the founding. Free people. We were taught that these people were our servants. He talks of himself as our servant. What kind of servant spends 200 million dollars of their employers money, every day, when on vacation in India? Yet the SOB refuses to provide the most basic token measure of respect, the release of his birth records. This act alone has and will forever pit me against him. There is no excuse for this.
Even my wife, from a foreign country, understand that supplying your original document is the most basic level of qualifications for a job. She gets it.
The difference between Obama and Hugo Chavez is a suit and tie, and the American people standing in his way.
He stands there tonight and spouts all that needs to be done, so arrogant is the man with all the answers. And he will go it alone if need be. Fidel Castro was proud of his speech.
If the man has no respect for the constitution, then he has no respect for me. He is not my president. Without respect for a constitution he is merely a dictator, like any other dictator.
You are scaring me Butter....
Did you get your Amicus Filed?
I think the procedure is that Mahili issues some kind of determination-- not an order, or plural of the same-- at the end of or after the hearings. The recommendation then (ordinarily at least) goes to the Secretary of State who makes the final decision on who should and who should not appear on the presidential primary ballot. Someone is welcome to correct me if I got some of the details wrong.
Some Fogbow folks' comments make it pretty clear that Mahili making a determination that Obama fails to qualify will be taken as indicative that Mahili and Georgia is racist. According to Fogbow, one of the groups showing up to video the hearing is SPLC. So far as I know, Obama is not from the South, and he is not poor. But I don't think that stops the SPLC from declaring him a victim of racism by their very presence, and it could be construed as a move to intimidate Mahili into making a decision based not on the law or facts, but on prejudice.
I was going to write that I think the only way in which Jablonski could show for the Hatfield and Orly hearings is if the HI DOH explicitly certifies the Kryptonite BC at the WH web site. The WH lawyers are probably being careful to preclude that as they have been historically up through the present. However, another possibility is that Jablonski shows up but plays the race card in oral arguments. This would play right into SPLC presence at the hearing and also play into moving the venue into federal courts on (for example) a 42 U.S.C. § 1981 basis.
Jablonski has to show up at the Irion hearing or else risk default. Fogbow folks are arguing that Minor v Happersett is dicta so I imagine that is what Jablonski needs to do to rebut Irion (and Denofrio). I imagine the best that Obama and Co. can do is have Jablonski argue (accurately or otherwise) that NBC has never been defined in law. Not surprisingly, when I just now checked the wikipedia entry for Minor v Happersett, it does not even mention the phrase "natural born citizen." If Mahili accepts this argument and issues a determination in favor of Obama, it puts Irion back on the offensive where they probably don't want to be because of the lack of traction that appeals typically get in the courts.
Imaginably, the pressure must really be on Mahili in the back channels to make all of this go away, or forever be branded (at least on wikipedia, courtesy of the likes of SPLC) as the new Lester Maddox.
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