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Santorum up in Colorado, Nevada with anti-Gingrich commercial
The Hill ^ | 1-31-12 | Sink

Posted on 01/31/2012 3:37:09 PM PST by VinL

Fresh on the heels of announcing January fundraising numbers in excess of $4 million, Rick Santorum's presidential campaign announced a new television ad that will begin airing Tuesday in Colorado and Nevada.

The ad attacks Newt Gingrich as being too liberal for the GOP nomination by arguing that he shares many policy positions with President Obama and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.).

"All three supported radical cap and trade legislation that would destroy American jobs and drive up energy costs. All three supported giving illegal aliens some form of amnesty. All three sported the government health mandates which take away our freedom and is the core of ObamaCare. And all three of these politician's supported the Wall Street bailouts that was a slap in the face to the Tea Party," the narrator says.

It goes on to refer to the trio as "cap and trade loving, bailout supporting, soft on immigration, big-government mandating politicians."

The commercial is a sharp indictment of Gingrich, with whom Santorum has split more conservative voters in early primary contests. But the ad does little to attack Mitt Romney, the presumptive Republican front-runner who is expected to lead in Nevada polling.

"Rick Santorum for President: he doesn't just talk a good conservative game, he lives it," the narrator says.

Nevada will caucus Feb. 4, with Colorado voters gathering 3 days later at caucus sites across that state.

(Excerpt) Read more at thehill.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Colorado
KEYWORDS: co2012; enough; followthemoney; gingrich; santoromney; santorum2012; santorum2016; santorum2020; santorum4romney; santorum4vp; santorumnever; santorumney; spoiler; unelectable
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To: reasonisfaith

Something tells me Santorum is gonna turn out to be a big time, hard core establishment RINO who doesn’t really believe in conservative principles.

Something tells me he won’t have an elected office to be a rino from. He wants an appointment. If he wants VP he needs to be sucking up to someone besides Romney


101 posted on 01/31/2012 6:01:05 PM PST by Figment
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To: svcw

I have been told it is because they are so pure, that a divorce turns them away from Newt.

Evidently while being so deeply Christian, they didn’t notice that Romney is a prohomosexual, proabortion, leader in an anti-christian cult.


102 posted on 01/31/2012 6:01:39 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: ansel12

Which in my case is not true. I am actually for Newt first and Santorum second. However, the Newt people are pissing me off with their nasty treatment of Santorum. It is so uncalled for.


103 posted on 01/31/2012 6:01:58 PM PST by napscoordinator (Go Newt! Go Patriots (America's Team)! America's is going the right direction in 2012!!!)
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To: musicman
Lil’Ricky is working WAY TOO HARD to be Romney’s VP.

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104 posted on 01/31/2012 6:02:29 PM PST by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common anymore.)
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To: Cobra64

105 posted on 01/31/2012 6:03:59 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Sun
My 2nd choice is Gingrich.

You are a minority sharing a candidate choice with a majority, who are going to switch to Romney.

106 posted on 01/31/2012 6:04:59 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: All

“In the House of Representatives, Santorum played a key role in exposing the House Banking Scandal. That scandal cost incumbent Republicans reelection, but Santorum was rock-solid on integrity.”

excerpt http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/04/santorum_2012.html

But wait, WAIT, he’s not perfect.

Who is?


107 posted on 01/31/2012 6:06:45 PM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: VinL

What I resent most is liberal publications, such as the Hill, Politico, et al, writing articles to divide Republicans, and we play right into their hands. Just read this thread.


108 posted on 01/31/2012 6:09:30 PM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: napscoordinator
Which in my case is not true. I am actually for Newt first and Santorum second. However, the Newt people are pissing me off with their nasty treatment of Santorum. It is so uncalled for.

WoW!

Well, all of your good work for the Santorum effort against Newt, will be given to Mitt Romney after Rick has squeezed everything out of it that he can on his end.

109 posted on 01/31/2012 6:10:09 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: Figment

You have a good point, maybe I will vote for Obama and then at least he can’t come back later, still being young. Plus it beats Mitt. Yes, I may vote for Obama too. Hmmm, interesting.


110 posted on 01/31/2012 6:10:56 PM PST by toddausauras (The)
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To: ansel12

We’ll see. Four whole states have gone by. 46 states to go. Why you want it to end now is beyond me.


111 posted on 01/31/2012 6:13:47 PM PST by napscoordinator (Go Newt! Go Patriots (America's Team)! America's is going the right direction in 2012!!!)
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To: Sun

we play right into their hands
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Well, that’ the point, isn’t it? When Newt speaks of Rick, Newt says positive things, but then says that he has more experience, etc.—Nothing wrong with that.

In reply, Rick could simply respond in kind- I like Newt, but he lacks the energy and the vigor— whatever.

But, that’s not what he’s doing with this negative ad. Here, it’s Rick that spawning conservative division. Now, I have nothing against the guy- but here, he’s just acting in derogation of the cause. .


112 posted on 01/31/2012 6:29:49 PM PST by VinL (It is better to suffer every wrong, than to consent to wrong.)
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To: musicman

Yep. He has no chance to win so the only reason he is staying in is to try to force himself on Mitt as the VP. Fortunately I am fairly sure he is almost out of money and hopefully will have to drop out after Fla.


113 posted on 01/31/2012 6:31:02 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: VinL
My question to you was- can you reference a negative ad promulgated by Newt against a conservative? And, apparently, you cannot- which is proper- because Newt hasn’t aired any such ads.

I'm sorry, but the question is completely irrelevant. Negative campaigning is a fact of life. If Newt wins the nomination he is going to have a billion dollars of largely negative ads directed his way. It is what it is. It's part of campaigns. Are you so sure Newt hasn't run negative campaigns against conservative challengers in his political past? I'm not, and really it doesn't matter. Whining about negative ads doesn't accomplish squat.

Romney can not run 17 million of negative ads in every state. Newt survived this and had a good showing. We move on. Strong candidates can and do over come this sort of thing. Just anyone can't shake things up, it requires an exceptionally special candidate for the moment. I sense a lot of momentum building behind Gingrich, but it is left to be seen if he is going to be that special kind of candidate that can buck the establishment "safe option" group think. Reagan did, I hope Newt can do it as well. It will make him a stronger candidate. At the state level we've seen strong conservative challengers topple the establishment time and time again - it happened many times in 2010 actually.

Think of this. Harry Reid ran an entirely negative campaign against Sharon Angle in 2010. His entire campaign was designed to sully her so much she'd look as filthy as him. Angle lost. But why? Was it really the negative ads? No, a good candidate would have overcome them. Angle was a bad candidate. Period.

Newt is becoming a more and more impressive campaigner. He is coming into his own. His sincerity shows more and more clearly. I switched my support to him when I saw Perry's inability to debate - very reluctantly at first, but now I am more and more enthusiastic. He may really be the man of the moment, but overcoming negative ads by his competitors - whether it be Romney, Santorum or Paul, is part of the process. Let them throw mud and lets see how he responds. In the end, if Newt wins it will have made him a far stronger nominee - one largely insulated against what much of Obama will throw at him.

114 posted on 01/31/2012 6:37:41 PM PST by Longbow1969
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To: napscoordinator

That was weird, for a guy who claims to be a Newt supporter, your posts are the opposite.

I t doesn’t bother you that the Santorum voters are going to switch to Romney against Newt?


115 posted on 01/31/2012 6:37:54 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2
"Yep. He has no chance to win so the only reason he is staying in is to try to force himself on Mitt as the VP."

Flawed thinking on Santorum's part if he thinks that Romney has any integrity. Romney will use him & then dump him out with the trash.

If Romney is elected, he has no use any longer for Santorum.

116 posted on 01/31/2012 6:38:11 PM PST by LADY J
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To: VinL

Possible working for Romney. Pretty sad the state of American politics.


117 posted on 01/31/2012 6:46:06 PM PST by Carry me back
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To: Longbow1969

Forgive me, you’re first sentence indicates that you don’t wish to address my initial query- so I didn’t read further.


118 posted on 01/31/2012 6:47:06 PM PST by VinL (It is better to suffer every wrong, than to consent to wrong.)
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To: big'ol_freeper

Yeah it looks like he has sold out. I thought Newt was great tonight though and I’m still ready for the fight. Florida had a lot of early voting, now let’s see how it goes in the other states. The media new they had to push their boy over the top in Florida or it was curtains for him. Go Newt Go !


119 posted on 01/31/2012 6:48:43 PM PST by Carry me back
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To: Venturer

Rick was totally in joy over Romney winning, you could see it all over him. Maybe it was because Newt lost, but I seriously doubt that.


120 posted on 01/31/2012 6:51:46 PM PST by Carry me back
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To: Sun
Still think Santorum is trying to win favor with Romney? Think again.

I ask you again - where are Santorum's anti-Romney ads, if he's so opposed to him?

Offstage and offhand comments by a candidate don't count nearly as much as their paid ads. Only those tell you who they're truly going after.

121 posted on 01/31/2012 7:01:04 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: VinL
It's a sign of the times when Rick Santorum would be banned from Free Republic for contrasting his record with Newt's.

I'd prefer conservatives rally behind Santorum, but a split conservative vote may not be the worst thing, at least in proportional states - if all four candidates stay in and stay relatively competitive, that could maximize the chance of a brokered convention and a 2nd chance for the GOP to get it right for a change.

If it was Newt vs Mitt head-to-head, with Newt trailing Obama in a prospective matchup by 14 points, I believe the 'electability' issue would lead to a convincing Romney victory.

122 posted on 01/31/2012 7:17:20 PM PST by RygelXVI
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To: VinL
You just shake your head in wonder.
123 posted on 01/31/2012 7:17:28 PM PST by Tribune7 (GAS WAS $1.85 per gallon on the day Obama was Inaugurated! - - freeper Gaffer)
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To: Windflier

“So why isn’t Rick attacking Mitt Romney on his dismal liberal governing record in Massachusetts?”

You mean like when he attacked Romneycare during the last debate, which the self-proclaimed Debate Guru couldn’t do?


124 posted on 01/31/2012 7:23:07 PM PST by ari-freedom
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To: gogogodzilla

“This whole idea of personal autonomy, well I don’t think most conservatives hold that point of view. Some do. They have this idea that people should be left alone, be able to do whatever they want to do, government should keep our taxes down and keep our regulations low, that we shouldn’t get involved in the bedroom, we shouldn’t get involved in cultural issues. You know, people should do whatever they want. Well, that is not how traditional conservatives view the world and I think most conservatives understand that individuals can’t go it alone.”

Well, we’re not for abortion, gay marriage, illegal drugs and hookers.


125 posted on 01/31/2012 7:30:31 PM PST by ari-freedom
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To: NKP_Vet

That’s kind of a stupid argument, given that Newt Gingrich endorsed the pro-abortion DeDe Scozzafoza.

So if you can’t support a candidate who endorsed a pro-abortion candidate, who you got left in this race?


126 posted on 01/31/2012 7:38:43 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Longbow1969
The argument over negative issue ads is stupid. My question is -- is the Ad accurate, or does it lie. If it is a lie, it's a bad ad. If the Ad attacks our candidates from the left, it's a bad ad. If the Ad attacks people for personal issues, it's a bad ad.

Does this Ad do any of those things? Or are we just saying that we don't want anybody to run any ads that would discourage people from voting for Newt?

Rick Perry, who people are praising here, ran Ads in Iowa that contrasted his positions with negative opinions of all the other candidates, including Santorum and Gingrich.

Here's the previous Ad by Rick Santorum, attacking Mitt Romney. The idea that Rick isn't attacking Romney is ludicrous.

127 posted on 01/31/2012 7:45:19 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: VinL

“”Rick Santorum for President: he doesn’t just talk a good conservative game, he lives it,” the narrator says.”

Funniest thing I’ve ever read. Santorum lives a a conservative game? Was pimping for Arlen something a Conservative would have done? No. Was being an earmark king something a Conservative would have done? No.

Rick, I know Conservatives, Conservatives are my FRiends, and you Rick, are no Conservative.


128 posted on 01/31/2012 7:46:41 PM PST by MissouriConservative (Voting "None of the Above" in 2012.)
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To: Longbow1969

You made a mistake, buying into the false premise of the question. Rick Santorum HAS BEEN ATTACKING Mitt Romney. He took down Romney over Romneycare, while Newt was tied up having to defend several difficult positions.

Rick has run anti-Mitt advertising.

Now he’s running an Ad, and nobody has explained what is false about the ad, just that they are mad he’s running an ad at all.


129 posted on 01/31/2012 7:48:09 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Two polls, one in Missouri, and one in Ohio, showed that one-on-one, Santorum easily beats Romney in those states, while one-on-one, Gingrich is statistically tied with Romney.

Other polls show that Santorum is in striking distance of Obama, while Gingrich trails by 13 points.

Santorum didn’t even campaign the last three days in Florida, and Gingrich couldn’t get within 15 points of Romney.

In fact, Gingrich sucked all the oxygen out of Florida, got all the conservative focus, got all the headlines, and yet Romney ended up getting higher than his polling.

And even if every single Santorum voter had instead voted for Gingrich, Gingrich couldn’t beat Romney in Florida.

I’m not telling Gingrich people to switch their votes. But I’m tired of Gingrich folks proclaiming that he can beat Romney and Obama, and Santorum can’t, so Santorum is evil for running for Office.


130 posted on 01/31/2012 8:02:04 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: ansel12; napscoordinator

So you blame Santorum for siphoning votes from Romney? You think that is a bad thing, so you think Santorum should drop out so all his supporters switch to Romney?

What is your complaint?

BTW, in Florida, when asked for 2nd choices, 50% of Santorum supporters polled said they’d vote for Romney; 63% of the Gingrich supporters pollsed said they’d vote for Romney.

In both Missouri and Ohio, polls showed that if Gingrich dropped out, Santorum would beat Romney easily — by 13% in Missouri, and by 8% in Ohio.

But if Santorum dropped out, Gingrich was only 1% ahead of Romney in Missouri, and only 3% ahead in Ohio. In other words, Santorum did better head-to-head against Romney than Gingrich did.

A lot of Freepers started supporting Gingrich for three reasons — he was polling first, he could beat Romney, and he could debate Obama.

Now he’s not polling so well, he came nowhere near beating Romney with Santorum out of the state, and he has publicly stated that he can’t win debates if the other candidate doesn’t tell the truth, and he will refuse to debate Obama if the debates have reporters for moderators — which all debates will.

So if Gingrich can’t beat Obama in a debate (because Obama won’t tell the truth), and if Gingrich refuses to debate Obama because the official organiation running the debates will use journalists for moderators, and if Gingrich can’t beat Romney in head-to-head matchups, why are Santorum supporters supposed to drop Santorum and switch to Romney?


131 posted on 01/31/2012 8:09:16 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: VinL

He’s paving the way for Mitt. Conservatives value? He’s a fraud. Mitt knew who he could buy - this is the Sanotrum who bows to the GOP E. He did it once, he’s doing it again. Satan’s little helper.


132 posted on 01/31/2012 8:09:55 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: Windflier
Santorum Advertisement attacking Romney

They aren't hard to find. You know about this ad because it's the first one Santorum has run, and the liberal media wants to let the world know, hopefully to keep conservatives split to help Romney. I see it is working for them, not that it's that hard to split conservatives these days.

133 posted on 01/31/2012 8:11:01 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT

If Santorum was hammered with the same amount of negative and FALSE ads that Newt was, Santorum would have lost by probably even more. Romney’s lies WILL catch up to him (”resigned in disgrace” is an absolute, bald-faced LIE and that is the main angle that worked for Romney here). He cannot win the presidency if he continues down this path of lying. Conservatives will abandon him and if he pulled anything like that on Obama, the media will destroy him with it.

Newt with Romney’s money is by far a stronger candidate than Romney with Romney’s money. Romney has lost states despite outspending his rivals. Newt has won states while being outspent.

Romney is POISON in the general election. Absolute POISON. The Bain Capital stuff alone will destroy him in an economy racked with unemployment.


134 posted on 01/31/2012 8:11:59 PM PST by JediJones (Newt-er Romney in 2012!)
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To: All

WAKE UP FOOLS..the LEFT is doing an OUTSTANDING job of dividing and conquering us


135 posted on 01/31/2012 8:15:07 PM PST by sonic109 (no compromise with Marxist)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

You mean he doesn’t know right from wrong? He doesn’t know that lying/deception comes right from the pit. Mitt is the father of lies and Rick is being his pawn.


136 posted on 01/31/2012 8:15:59 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: MissouriConservative
Was pimping for Arlen something a Conservative would have done? No. Was being an earmark king something a Conservative would have done? No.

Well, since Gingrich endorsed Dede Scozzafosa, and he championed earmarks for every house member to help win votes in home districts, it is hypocritical to support Newt and attack Santorum for those two issues.

Santorum isn't the perfect conservative, but we are comparing him to Gingrich. For more examples, another Gingrich supporter attacked Santorum for voting for the Medicare Prescription drug program, but Newt actually came back to the house and lobbied several house members to twist their arms into voting for the program -- and that work is why the bill passed, while Santorum's vote wasn't a deciding vote.

137 posted on 01/31/2012 8:19:21 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Wow, our most famous Romneybot showed up.

Surprise, surprise, to help Santorum against Newt Gingrich.


138 posted on 01/31/2012 8:20:44 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: NKP_Vet

Santorum endorsed Romney!, The anti-Christian cult leader, the most passionate and proactive abortionist and pro homosexual agenda candidate we have ever had in the GOP?

No wonder Mitt is Santorum people’s second choice.


139 posted on 01/31/2012 8:24:12 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: ansel12

The Republican elite leaders are only killing themselves and turning our country over to Obama.

They are as bad as the Democrats.


140 posted on 01/31/2012 8:24:55 PM PST by Venturer
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To: Venturer

I only learned about Santorum being a Romney man in the last half hour.

It explains why so many of our romneybots have so fiercely jumped on his band wagon.

Using Santorum as their beard, they can attack Newt, and serve Romney at the same time.


141 posted on 01/31/2012 8:29:50 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: JediJones

Deceptive campaign tactics often never “catch up” to the candidate.

Do you think Gingrich is going to suffer at all from his Robocalls which claimed that Romney forced Holocaust survivors to eat non-Kosher meals? There was no truth at all to that one, but it will be forgotten.

Is Santorum vulnerable to negative Ads? Maybe, maybe not. If it was that easy, no candidate would ever win. Some candidates are less effected by negative advertising. We’ll know if it happens.

In any case, if the claim is that while Gingrich has been destroyed by negative ads, so we can’t switch to Santorum because he could have the same thing happen to him, it’s not much comfort.

In Florida, if every Santorum voter voted for Gingrich, Gingrich would still lose. Santorum didn’t cost Gingrich Florida, Gingrich just couldn’t get enough votes.

Maybe Gingrich will come back, and if he does, there may be a time it is clear Gingrich can win and then the Santorum supporters may accept that. Arguing after a drubbing in Florida that Santorum has to quit for Gingrich, or trying to win Santorum freepers by slandering their candidate, don’t seem like winning lines of argument.

Give it a few days. See how things shake out. There’s a couple of caucuses this weekend, lets see who wins those. Lets see how Santorum does in the Missouri primary. Lets see if Paul can steal Maine from Romney. Lets see if Gingrich does better in the next few contests.


142 posted on 01/31/2012 8:30:49 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: presently no screen name
He doesn’t know that lying/deception comes right from the pit

Is there a lie in the advertisement? Nobody has pointed that out yet. Just that it is negative.

143 posted on 01/31/2012 8:32:11 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Reagan69

Ricky boy is pious self righteous hypocrite.
If he was running against Mitt he’d be treated just like Newt is now.


144 posted on 01/31/2012 8:34:21 PM PST by ivory49
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To: Reagan69

Ricky boy is pious self righteous hypocrite.
If he was running against Mitt he’d be treated just like Newt is now.


145 posted on 01/31/2012 8:34:23 PM PST by ivory49
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To: ansel12

To help napscoordinater with a Gingrich suporter making a stupid argument.

Nothing any of us say in this thread will “help Santorum”, “hurt Gingrich”, or make any real difference in the race.

Gingrich and Santorum are national presidential candidates, with millions of dollars, dozens if not hundreds of paid employees, campaigns staffed with career coordinators and leaders who know how to run and win elections.

Neither of them need my help. And what I said isn’t to “help” santorum, or hurt gingrich — it’s an observation of facts, of information that people can use to make informed decisions.

I didn’t show up — I’ve been here all along.

Last point — In 2008, Jim Demint endorsed Mitt Romney for President. In 2012, a robocall was used which played audio of Jim DeMint endorsing Romney in 2008. Freepers, including myself, denounced that, claiming it was despicable to pretend that support from 2008 meant you supported the same person in 2012.


146 posted on 01/31/2012 8:38:05 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Right_in_Virginia
Fact is Rush and Levin are both supporting Romney by encouraging support for Santorum, taking votes away from Gingrich. The fix seems to be totally in, even the guys who are supposedly are on our side, aren't. After June, when we have a state primary, I'm switching my party registration to (probably) the constitution party. I'm done with the republican party.
147 posted on 01/31/2012 8:38:09 PM PST by erkelly
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Sweet, still defending Romney and anything that will help him.

I am stunned that Santorum running as the super Holy guy, would endorse something closer to Satan, a man who has devoted much of his life to destroying Christian souls, to promoting and mainstreaming abortion and homosexual activities and agendas.

A leader in a cult, it is amazing.


148 posted on 01/31/2012 8:50:25 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: ansel12
I only learned about Santorum being a Romney man in the last half hour.

I'd ridicule you for that, but I have to admit I just learned that myself.

Of course, in 2008 Herman Cain endorsed Mitt Romney, and I don't remember that being an issue for Herman Cain supporters, most of which are now Gingrich supporters.

Santorum endorsed Romney in February of 2008 -- exactly the same time Herman Cain endorsed Romney.

Maybe you attacked Cain supporters because he had endorsed Romney -- if so, you are consistant, although I haven't found any such reference.

149 posted on 01/31/2012 8:51:28 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT

I’m not speaking about any ad but Santorum himself. He has lied about Newt during the debates and the interviews afterwards.

Cover for him all you want - someone are just attracted to evil.


150 posted on 01/31/2012 8:52:35 PM PST by presently no screen name
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