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To: visually_augmented
But what about the possibility that Obama be compelled to produce the COLB? Doesn’t Obama have the right/ability to get the documents from Hawaii?

You may find this answer strange, but my answer is "Not necessarily."

I and others suspect Obama's birth certificate is sealed by a court order because Obama was likely adopted in his past, possibly twice. There is some evidence to indicate he was adopted by Indonesian Step-Dad Lolo Soetoro. There is also evidence to indicate he was later Adopted by his Grandparents in 1971. If EITHER case or BOTH cases turn out to be true, his original birth document will have been sealed by the order of a Hawaiian State court.

If his birth certificate IS sealed by a Hawaiian court, Not even HE can access it without getting a Hawaiian court to unseal it. Believe me, I know exactly what I am talking about.

I was adopted, and I recently called My State's DOH to see what I had to do to get a copy of my ORIGINAL birth certificate. They told me I had to write them a letter requesting it, and after six weeks they would inform me what I had to do to get a copy of my original. I asked them why they couldn't just tell me right now what I needed to do, and they said they had to consider it first and then tell me in writing.

I had always been told before that to get a sealed birth certificate unsealed, you had to petition a court to unseal it.

Fortunately, I HAVE a copy of my Original birth certificate, as well as a copy of my current birth certificate, so it was just an exercise in learning more about the process for me.

So I guess you could say that Obama does have the ability to get at his original record, but it is definitely not automatic.

Since Obama submitted his fake birth certificate as proof of his citizenship (through Jablonski), I would think he could be required to provide verification of that submission...

Exactly, and that's where we have him. No one can pry it out of Hawaii except Federal Judges, Hawaiian State Judges, and Obama. The other states do not have a right to see it, but they have a right to refuse to put someone on the ballot if they don't see it. Since Obama is coming to them for ballot placement, he has to conform to their requirements, and if the requirement is to show an ORIGINAL birth certificate, Obama will have to comply or stay off the ballot.

Now the first two cases in Georgia are not based on Obama's failure to present a birth certificate. They are based on the principle that a "natural born citizen" is a citizen which is born on the soil to parents who are also citizens. They are using Obama's posted birth certificate as evidence that his father was not an American and therefore he cannot be a natural born citizen.

I personally think there is a good chance he can't even prove he is a "native born" citizen.

36 posted on 01/31/2012 8:32:53 PM PST by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: DiogenesLamp; Smokeyblue

“I personally think there is a good chance he can’t even prove he is a “native born” citizen.”

Yep, and I personally think that we’ll see the HDOH records repository go up in flames before we’ll ever see an actual, hard-copy LFBC for “Obama” released for public inspection.


43 posted on 01/31/2012 8:55:33 PM PST by Flotsam_Jetsome (If not you, who? If not now, when?)
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To: DiogenesLamp

Why will Obama not present ANYTHING authentic? If he had a valid Hawaii BC after an adoption it would appear to be the original; nobody would have a way to prove that it wasn’t the original.

He hasn’t done that. Why not? Adopted people have legally valid BC’s that they show all the time, just like anybody else. Why won’t Obama show one? Why forge documents instead? That wouldn’t be explained by adoption, even if he WAS adopted. Which he may well have been, and possibly more than once.


44 posted on 01/31/2012 9:02:20 PM PST by butterdezillion
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