Posted on 02/01/2012 10:12:44 AM PST by marktwain
The Korea Times is reporting that while it has will allow 86,000 historical M1 Garand rifles to be imported from South Korea, the Obama administration continues to block the importation of some 600,000 M1 Carbines because "they come with a magazine that can carry multiple rounds."
From the article:
Washington has agreed to allow the importation of M1 Garand rifles from Seoul, reversing its earlier decision to ban the shipping of the weapon used by South Korean and U.S. soldiers during the 1950-53 Korean War, a senior defense official said Wednesday."The U.S. government approved the imports of some 86,000 of the rifles," said Lee Sun-chul, deputy defense minister for force and resources management.
"The historic firearms are expected to be sold to American Korean War veterans and their families in time for the 62nd anniversary of the Korean War, which falls on June 25 this year."
Kim Mi-sung, an official of the force and resources management office, said the defense ministry received an approval letter from the United States on Sept. 2 last year that stated Washington agreed to allow the importation of the M1s.
She noted that the U.S. government, however, rejected Seoul’s proposal to export some 600,000 M1 Carbines, which were also used in the Korean War, as they come with a magazine that can carry multiple rounds unlike the Garands.
This latest development comes more than 16 months after Fox News first reported that Obama had banned the importation of the vintage, collectible rifles. At the time, a State Department spokesman told reporters the administration's decision was based on concerns that the guns could "potentially be exploited by individuals seeking firearms for illicit purposes."
When the ban was first announced, Dennis Henigan of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence said "guns that can take high-capacity magazines are a threat to public safety," said "Even though they are old, these guns could deliver a great amount of firepower. So I think the Obama administration's concerns are well-taken."
Ironically, the "firepower," as Henigan calls it, of the M1 Garand, which is chambered in .30-06 Springfield, is far stronger than that of the reduced-power .30 caliber cartridge used in the banned M1 Carbine. But in the ignorant world of the Brady Campaign, a multiple-round magazine filled with what a postwar U.S. Army evaluation concluded was an ineffective cartridge is to be feared more than a cartridge that was developed for when shots of 1000 yards were expected, and which was heavily used by military snipers.
Again, from The Korea Times:
In February last year, U.S. Sen. Jon Tester and Rep. Cynthia Lummis proposed bills for an amendment of the Arms Export Control Act to guarantee that U.S.-made military firearms classified as "curios and relics" will not be blocked from importation.The legislations allow firearms more than 50 years old, considered antiques or relics and lawfully possessed by a foreign government, to be imported into the United States through properly licensed groups and sold without written permission from the U.S. State or Defense Departments.
Although the Garands have received tentative approval, the article goes on to say a senior defense ministry official raised the possibility that the U.S. government may cancel the plan to allow the purchase the M1s, saying Seoul has yet to finalize negotiations with Washington.
"We have yet to receive confirmation from the United States over our proposal," he said. "The U.S. government may change its position at the last minute due to political considerations."
Chad D. Baus is the Buckeye Firearms Association Vice Chairman.
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The M1 Garand has a fixed 8 round magazine that you load via a clip that you push down into the rifle. When the last round is fired the clip ejects from the rifle and you are ready to load the next clip into the magazine.
What the M1 carbine has is a detachable magazine that can hold from 15 to 30 rounds. A clip is not needed unless you are loading the magazine from the open bolt of the rifle.
The old saying is “you can load a magazine with a clip, but you can’t load a clip with a magazine”.
'It' is not Magazine vs No Magazine. As they both have 'magazines'.
'It' is the fact that the .30 cal M1 Carbine comes with a standard 15 round, (cough-BS) 'high capacity', detachable magazine. While the 30-06 cal M1 Garand has an eight round, 'fixed', internal magazine (which is typically 'Clip' fed. But can be done by hand too, like with my 5 round 8mm Mauser, or an SKS)
So regardless of the facts of the ballistics between the two 'rifle rounds(1)' the gun-grabbers naturally assume that if us knuckle-draggers got these Carbines we'd immediately buy a dozen 30 round magazines and go on killing sprees.
HERE is a picture of the two rifles.
(1) Ruger makes, or used to, a Blackhawk model revolver in .30 cal carbine. Fun little round to shoot. Kinda like an up scaled .22LR
Thanks - I had a feeling I had gotten that part wrong.
I need to get me a Garand...
—The old saying is “you can load a magazine with a clip, but you can’t load a clip with a magazine”.—
What irritates me is when people load magazines with ads.
I agree with you. I was just pointing out some of the “logic” behind the ban.
Well then you can just “clip” the ads out of the “magazine” and you’ll be good to go.
Thanks. This Administration is just invariably hostile to gun owners, no matter what their reasoning. As a practical matter, I wonder how hard it would be to control a weapon firing .30-06 rounds at a high rate, even on a tripod. My shoulder hurts just thinking about it.
Good one! :-)
So we’ll just have to buy another Ruger Mini-30!
More like “us knuckle-draggers would go buy a dozen 30 rd magazines and be ready for them when they tried their communist revolution”
I also have two M1 carbines and three Garands. I bet that little toy .30 carbine round is a lot meaner than whatever pistol you carry, especially with hollow points.
I’ve found the carbines to be a joy to shoot and amazingly accurate (IBM and Underwood). Short and handy too.
The huge joke is the idea that the carbine is a repeater and the Garand isn’t. This is obviously the fear of having a photo of a magazine loaded carbine seen by ignorant anti-liberty folks, who don’t know any better.
By another CMP Garand boys and wait for Obama to hit the dustbin of history.
The carbine takes a removable magazine (often referred to as a clip). These mags can also be loaded with stripper clips that are less bulky than removable magazines.
From a logical perspective, the Obama policy is idiocy designed to make the Brady bunch happy. M1 carbines go for $600-800 and aren't exactly common thug weapons.
However, right-wingers love them.
Nope. The Garand doesn't take a stripper clip. It takes an enbloc clip.
—However, right-wingers love them.—
But aren’t right-wingers evil? So this is a good thing, right?
I bought a M1 carbine from Sears that was custom stocked in beautifully grained wood. It was a commercial post war “Universal”? action that just would not reliably cycle as action was rough. Still had a blast with it using reloads in 30 round “banana” mags. I sold it with others when I enlisted in 68.
It ain't much like the good old days, but it's something.
Wonder if any of these carbines are configured in Para-Carbine fashion? Folding stock?
Ka-Ching!
Ture dat. They are already illegal in MA...because of der Mittster. Any mag over 10 rounds is illegal because of that two faced, double-dealing POS.
I would LOVE to have an M1 Carbine. Such a nice rifle. [sigh].
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