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Gingrich Patron Said to Have Plan B: Romney [Adelson met with Koch Brothers]
NYTimes ^ | February 4, 2012 | JEFF ZELENY and JIM RUTENBERG

Posted on 02/04/2012 5:02:27 PM PST by fight_truth_decay

LAS VEGAS — Sheldon Adelson, the billionaire casino executive keeping Newt Gingrich’s presidential hopes alive, has relayed assurances to Mitt Romney that he will provide even more generous support to his candidacy if he becomes the Republican nominee, several associates said in interviews here. The signals from Mr. Adelson, whose politics are shaped in large part by his support for Israel, reflect what the associates said was his deep investment in defeating President Obama and his willingness to play a more prominent role in the Republican Party and conservative causes.

The assurances have been conveyed in response to a highly delicate campaign by Mr. Romney and his top Jewish financial supporters to dissuade Mr. Adelson from adding to the $10 million that he and his wife have given to a pro-Gingrich “super PAC,” Winning Our Future, that has been tearing into Mr. Romney through television advertising.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: adelson; koch; kochbrothers; newt; romney; sheldonadelson; trump
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To: Liberty Wins; RoosterRedux

Twitter

Ben Smith @BuzzFeedBen
Now trending in the fever swamps: “Mitt Romney NOT A NATURAL-BORN CITIZEN” godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message…

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1748559/pg1#28981870

What next lol


81 posted on 02/04/2012 9:57:48 PM PST by fight_truth_decay
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To: RoosterRedux
It sounds to me that this is coming down to a battle of the billionaires. Adelman and the Koch Brothers (all of whom love America and are conservative) have probably 60-70 billion between them and that puts the LDS and Soros to shame.

Thank you for that ray of light.

On that, I think I shall retire before I get crushed again....

82 posted on 02/04/2012 10:02:38 PM PST by maine-iac7
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To: xkaydet65

“When a billionaire id umping piles of his own money into a political campaign it is a bad sign. Whether Adelson, the Koch Bros, or Soros, the end result is that they want something. And that something is not just a candidate’s defeat or another’s triumph. They want something for themselves.”

You are so right! That’s why we, as a country, are in the mess we are in.


83 posted on 02/05/2012 12:14:10 AM PST by dixiechick2000 (This hobbit is looking for her pitchfork...God help the GOP if I find it.)
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To: onyx

“Sheldon Adelson is a great American patriot.”

Yes, he is. But, what happens if/when he switches his allegiances to Romney?

He’s under a great amount of pressure now.


84 posted on 02/05/2012 12:16:22 AM PST by dixiechick2000 (This hobbit is looking for her pitchfork...God help the GOP if I find it.)
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To: RitaOK

“So. Romney buys off Newt backer. Free elections are bought now, and only manipulated for our viewing pleasure, to appear as if the people really had a fair shot.

Newt can’t lift a finger against a globally proportioned ambush like this.”

Outrageous...disappointing...fundamentally against everything our founders fought for.


85 posted on 02/05/2012 12:23:12 AM PST by dixiechick2000 (This hobbit is looking for her pitchfork...God help the GOP if I find it.)
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To: Bizhvywt

Romney was elected Governor of Massachusetts. Mitt is pretty much a democrat.


86 posted on 02/05/2012 4:27:30 AM PST by jospehm20
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To: RoosterRedux
It sounds to me that this is coming down to a battle of the billionaires.

;^)

It doesn't matter how much dog is in the fight; but how much fight is in the dog.



87 posted on 02/05/2012 4:49:46 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: RoosterRedux
Adelson is for Israel...and, if Israel can read, the Mormons count the Israelites among the heathen (just like the non-Mormon Christians).

Jews consider anyone NON-Jewish to be Gentile.

The MORMONs have REDEFINED the word GENTILE to mean anyone non-MORMON. Yes; even JEWS!!!


They redefine COUNTLESS OTHER words as well, so when you think that you are talking with them about religious matters, you really aren't making any sense.

88 posted on 02/05/2012 4:53:59 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: RoosterRedux
Here is an alphabetical list of some of the more important terms and their meanings to a Mormon:

 

AARONIC PRIESTHOOD: This is called the lesser priesthood, and is usually held by young men starting at the age of 12 to the age of about 18. It is also held for a short time by men who have just become members.

AFTERLIFE: The Mormon afterlife is divided up into four levels. From the lowest to the highest they are: hell, and then three levels of heaven: the telestial, the terrestrial, and the place where God dwells, the celestial (also called the kingdom of God). The celestial is also divided, the highest level being "exaltation," or becoming a God.

APOSTLES: The Mormon Church claims to have the same organization as the primitive church that Jesus set up. They also have twelve apostles and sometimes use this as a proof of their divine appointment as the one true church. But they actually have fifteen or more most of the time. The general practice has been for a new president, who is also an apostle, to appoint counselors from the Quorum of the Twelve; then the openings left by the president and his counselors are filled, resulting in a total of fifteen.

CELESTIAL KINGDOM: See Heaven.

ELOHIM: The name of God the Father.

EXALTATION: This is becoming a God in the highest level of the celestial kingdom.

ETERNAL PROGRESSION: The teaching that each of us has the potential to become a God just like God the Father did. He was once a man capable of physical death, was resurrected and progressed to become a God. We can take a similar path and get all the power, glory, dominion, and knowledge the Father and Jesus Christ has. We then will be able to procreate spirit children who will worship us as we do God the Father.

GOD: Usually means God the Father. He was once a man like us capable of physical death and he progressed until he became a God. He has a body of flesh and bones, but no blood. Within Mormonism, Gods, angels, people and devils all have the same nature or substance but are at different stages along the line of progression to Godhood.

GRACE - The Mormon concept of grace means making oneself worthy of the grace of God by doing good works in the church, temple, and community.

HEAVEN-The Mormon church teaches there are three levels of heaven (three "degrees of glory"):

HELL: A place of torment from which the worst of sinners are resurrected (if they repent) into the Telestial kingdom; only a limited number remain in hell forever, - the devil and the demons and apostates who consciously reject and work against Mormonism.

HOLY GHOST: The third member of the Godhead, a personage of spirit, unlike the Father and Son who have bodies of flesh and bones.

JEHOVAH: The pre-incarnate name for Jesus Christ.

JESUS CHRIST: The spirit of Jesus Christ was the first spirit born to God the Father and his wife (Heavenly Mother). He progressed to become a God under the Father. (The Father is also the literal father of Jesus' body in the exact same way we were begotten by our earthly parents.) He now has a body of flesh and bones, but no blood. He is the spirit brother of Satan whose spirit was procreated in the same way as Jesus'. To Mormons, even the atonement of his shed blood is not enough to provide forgiveness of sin and bring eternal life. Stripped of his Deity and demoted to a partial Savior, the Jesus of Mormonism has been robbed of his power and authority. Not only is the Mormon Jesus one who had struggled to achieve his own salvation, he also failed to establish his church. Both in Jerusalem and in the America's where Jesus was supposed to have visited, he attempted to build a group of followers. But in each case, truth was overcome by the alleged early church apostasy into false teaching.

MARRIAGE: The Mormon Church teaches two types of marriage. One ends at death. The other is for "time and eternity." If the couple is married in a Mormon temple by someone with authority it is believed they will stay married in the next life. This kind of marriage is needed if they are to progress, not only as husband and wife, but as God and Goddess.

MELCHIZEDEK PRIESTHOOD: The higher of two categories of ministry in the LDS Church, assigned primarily to seasoned members over the age of 18, males only.

POLYGAMY: The practice of men having more than one wife was started by Joseph Smith in the early/mid 1830's and ostensibly ended in 1890. It is not now sanctioned by the LDS church headquartered in Salt Lake City. Members found practicing it are excommunicated. While the practice was ended, the revelation teaching it is still in Mormon scripture (Doctrine & Covenants 132). Some Mormon splinter groups believe the teaching was for eternity and still practice it. These modern-day polygamists (called fundamentalists) number in the 30,000-50,000 range.

PRE-EXISTENCE: The Mormon teaching that our spirits (Mormons and non-Mormons) were procreated in a premortal life by God the Father and our Mother in Heaven, that our spirits were born and raised to maturity before coming to earth to obtain physical bodies, and that the spirit of Jesus Christ was the first one born to our Heavenly parents.

PRIESTHOOD: A category of ministry in the LDS Church open to all worthy males 12 years of age or older, empowering them to act in God's name. Non-Mormons cannot hold the priesthood, hence they have no authority. Men of African descent have only recently (by special correction of the original revelations) been allowed to hold these offices.

PROPHET: The top leader of the Mormon Church is considered not only a prophet but is also a seer and revelator. He has the title "president." He is the only one who can speak for the whole church and receive new revelation for the whole church. When the current prophet dies, the most senior (time as an apostle, not age) of the twelve apostles, the president of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, becomes the new president. He can appoint counselors, who receive their authority from him.

SALVATION: A word that Mormons qualify in one of three ways: unconditional or general salvation is simply resurrection from the dead, granted to all through Christ's atonement; conditional or individual salvation involves entering the celestial kingdom through works of Mormonism; full salvation means exaltation to become a God as a result of temple ceremonies and other works. The word 'salvation' can have a two-fold meaning: a) forgiveness of sins and b) universal resurrection:

The Mormons have several different levels of "salvation".

SATAN: One of the spirit children of God. As a consequence of their rebellion Satan and his angels cannot have mortal bodies - hence cannot progress.

SCRIPTURES: The Mormon Church has four documents it calls canonized scriptures: the Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, Pearl of Great Price, and the King James Version of the Holy Bible.

SON OF GOD: Along with Jesus Christ, all of us are viewed as the children of God, his literal spirit children. This makes us all - Mormons, non-Mormons, Jesus Christ and Satan - spirit brothers.

SPIRITS: Nonmaterial beings allegedly procreated in the pre-existence by God the Father and his wife. Jesus Christ, and even we ourselves, were supposedly born and raised to maturity as spirits before coming into bodies on this earth. The spirit of Satan was also procreated in this way. This makes Satan and Jesus Christ spirit brothers. Jesus selected a righteous path; Satan selected the opposite.

STANDARD WORKS: The four canonized scriptures (see Scripture above) used by the Mormon Church are called the Standard Works.

TEMPLE: One of about four dozen special (for LDS) buildings around the world in which sacred (to LDS) ceremonies are performed for the living and the dead; off limits to nonmembers and even to Mormons who lack a "temple recommend" from their leaders. Only about 20% of the Mormons qualify to go.

TRINITY: This word is used by Christians to summarize the Biblical teaching that within the one true God is three persons: God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Ghost. They share the same nature or substance so that there are not three Gods, but three persons in the one God. Mormons say they also believe in the Trinitarian concept of God. But really what they mean are that God the Father is a God, God the Son is another God, and God the Holy Ghost is a third God and they are "one God" because they are "one in purpose." Mormons often have an incorrect understanding of what Christians mean by the "Trinity." They say Christians believe that the Father, Son and Holy Ghost are one person (i.e., Monophysiteism) or that God shows himself as the Father or the Son or the Holy Ghost (i.e. Modalism).

VIRGIN BIRTH: A concept negated by the view that God, a resurrected man with flesh and bones according to Mormon teachings, literally fathered Jesus in the flesh in the same way in which earthly men father their children. Despite the documented position of previous Mormon prophets, presidents, and apostles about the nature of Christ's conception, modern LDS apologists maintain that "Christ was born of a virgin". How can they? By changing the definition of the word "virgin". The reasoning goes like this: since Mary had sexual relations with an immortal man, not a mortal man, the phrase "virgin birth" still applies.

WORD OF WISDOM: The name for the Mormon Church's teaching requiring abstinence from tobacco, alcohol, and hot drinks (tea and coffee).



89 posted on 02/05/2012 4:54:59 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: fight_truth_decay
I understand what you are saying and commend you for sticking by Newt, but Newt has dropped when losing in FL by double digits, as in Romney did win.

MY state has not 'voted' yet.

Quit worrying!!

90 posted on 02/05/2012 4:56:36 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: RoosterRedux
he's still a missionary on a mission!

In France; his record wasn't so good...

91 posted on 02/05/2012 4:57:36 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie

Thx for that Elsie. I have learned a lot from your informative posts.


92 posted on 02/05/2012 5:02:21 AM PST by RoosterRedux (I used to be Freeper "All" but I cracked under the pressure of all those pings.)
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To: fight_truth_decay
“Why would he want to respond? He is safer not to.”

That is a valid possibility; however, when I see all of these statements about Adelson being attributed to other “associates” and anonymous parties, I am inclined to believe these are more likely the work of Romney associates sowing dissension amongst the ranks of “Team Newt.”

The bottom line is that when Newt was asked about this report, during his press conference last night, what Newt pointed out was that this scenario was all based upon the premise of what Adelson would do; if, and when, Newt dropped out of the race.

It is logical that Adelson, being a strong supporter of Israel, would shift his support to Romney at that point rather than allow Obama, an obvious enemy of Israel, to gain advantage.

Personally, I would not trust any of the “analysis” being presented by Varney or anyone else on Fox News. They are clearly a Romney propaganda outlet during the GOP primary cycle; and, thus, part of the problem; not the solution. (Note that their “Romneyganda” may change substantially; if, and when, Romney attains the nomination.)

93 posted on 02/05/2012 8:19:50 AM PST by Ozymandias Ghost
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To: RoosterRedux

“The missing piece of the puzzle is “where does the LDS stand on Israel?””

It’s no puzzle. Their stand is the same one that every other Christian sect has held for over 1800 years, until John Nelson Darby “discovered” Dispensationalism.


94 posted on 02/05/2012 10:50:06 AM PST by Skylab
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To: Elsie

I don’t worry as feel positive about Obama as a one term president.


95 posted on 02/05/2012 11:18:31 AM PST by fight_truth_decay
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To: fight_truth_decay

Hmmm. I wonder who leaked it?


96 posted on 02/05/2012 12:07:47 PM PST by cardinal4 (Bolton/Arpaio 2012 "Kick the UN across the border!")
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To: jennychase

This comment is uncomprehensible to me. Could you please translate into understandable English?


97 posted on 02/05/2012 12:28:13 PM PST by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR U.S.A. PRESIDENT)
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To: Liberty Wins
Could Romney have sent spies to work for Newt to gum up his campaign?

Perhaps the recent Romney firing had a reason I do not know about. have not followed.

That being said. Last night in Vegas at his press conference..Newt walked back to the podium after arguing with reporters, again he telling them what they are not doing in regard to talking "issues" and fought right back at him for making excuses and so he made another Romney is disingenuous comment which was flashed at the bottom of the screen. Then a reporter asked who his campaign manager was and did he follow their suggestions or just his own way of running a campaign-he said in the end he takes responsibility for all actions.

As I prefaced, he left the podium, when all was said and done..then with Big Smile turned,came back up as someone joked about the game.[all do that to get you back for more comments--oldest trick in the book] He bit, said he was for the Giants. But he could not stop there..he had to add--but I don't usually or really like the Giants....then added some team not playing. The reporter said, that didn't win him any votes in NY.

Sometimes just the simplest question he can put in a dig that will be all the media remembers..just saying. You know how lawyers tell you not to talk more than what the police ask of you? when they want to trick u into giving yourself away [movies]..Newt might just think about that.

They are trying to play on Newt being quick to anger. Media is used to being coddled and the Newt is not doing that.

It was not a pleasant press conference to view.

98 posted on 02/05/2012 1:01:35 PM PST by fight_truth_decay
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To: Ozymandias Ghost
Varney They were calling the rally on Wall Street a possible Romney Rally after the last candidate Romney Newt go-around.

The financial news guys repeated it several times.

That Obama's days were numbered.

99 posted on 02/05/2012 1:06:19 PM PST by fight_truth_decay
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To: SatinDoll; jennychase

DanRiehl DanRiehl
RT @jaketapper: Santorum: “we R not going 2 win ths election if either of ths 2 guys is nominated. Let me assure U. We will not win.”
2 minutes ago

Jake Trapper is a news guy and his comment was retweeted [RT] on Twitter by Dan Riel

Taking a comment tweeted by Santorum being quoted by Trapper as saying: “we are not going to win the election if either of these two guys [Newt? & Romney?] is nominated. Let me assure you. we will not win [that was a recent tweet of 2 min ago.]

You can put in only so many words in a tweet.

You Follow people in the news field and candidates. You have Followers too. You mention someone else they can make mention of you. Everyone is being followed to some degree. You choose to follow.

Hope this helps SatinDoll


100 posted on 02/05/2012 1:18:25 PM PST by fight_truth_decay
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