Sheriff Baca Won't Renew Forest Service Agreement

Sierra County Sentinel ^ | Feb. 3, 2012 | Etta Pettijohn

[zeugma]

YIKES, that had paragraphs in it when I posted it.

The evil paragraph destroyer has struck again!

[girlangler]

You are right.

It is NEVER my fault, must be someone else’s.

LOL.

Really, that is not funny, but I am sleepy so will be better tomorrow.

[Looking4Truth]

Just a tagline update. Dragging up an old one WTH.

[Georgia Girl 2]

This story does not suprise me. My fiancee’ is from out west. He told me he has had run ins with USFS rangers himself while out hunting. He despises them. He says they think they personally own the forests and he even had one ranger tell him that it was his forest and he could do anything he wanted. But on that day my fiancee’ was holding a 30-30 and was really in no mood for it so the ranger backed down and left. They will come up and try to tell you that you can’t hunt in an area that is clearly legal to hunt in.

The unstated goal of the National Forest Service is to close down all of the “public” lands to the public. They don’t want you hunting, fishing, hiking, camping, riding an ATV or anything else on “their land”.

The sovereign states are finally waking up and they are going to have to at some point just kick the Feds out. Thank God for the sheriff’s.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for the ping!

[Petrosius]

Of course the larger question is what constitutional authority does the federal government have to own or control all this land in the first place. Authorization for federal ownership of land from Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution reads as follows:

To exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten miles square) as may, by cession of particular states, and the acceptance of Congress, become the seat of the government of the United States, and to exercise like authority over all places purchased by the consent of the legislature of the state in which the same shall be, for the erection of forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards, and other needful buildings …

Other than the District of Columbia, the federal government is authorized to own land only for the purpose of "erection of forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards, and other needful buildings." They have no authority to manage the vast area that are now under their control. To see the extent of the land controlled by the federal government, especially in the western states, see the following map prepared by the Bureau of Land Management:

Additionally I would argue that ownership of the western lands was transferred from the federal government to the various states upon their erection as sovereign states. There should be a movement in the western states to assert such ownership and expel federal authorities as unlawful trespassers.

Even if the above theory of state ownership of these lands cannot be enforced the federal government should be forced to sell off any lands that are not required for the "erection of forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards, and other needful buildings."

In any case, the most that the federal government can claim is ownership, not jurisdiction. They should be treated by the states in the same manner as the private owners of other lands.

[3boysdad]

I was taught to read English left to right, top to bottom, so I had no problem reading your post. And it was a good one.

[Mycroft Holmes]

So they went 40 odd replies without actually telling you why the software ate your paragraphs. All the while sniveling at you to please not do it again. Sigh.

The deal is that HTML eats excess white-space. If you want white-space beyond a single space (say a paragraph) you need to insert it by typing "<p>".

Try it and see.

[oldfart]

Several years ago I read an article which made reference to the closing of mountain roads and trails in Germany during the 1930s. In that case the authorities wanted to make sure people couldn’t ‘bug out’ to the hills when TSHTF.

The more things change the more they stay the same - right?

[bert]

They should have gone in and fought the fire any way. Let the feds bitch and moan and whine

screw them

The rule is “ask for forgiveness, not permission”

[DaveA37]

Is this forum a journalism school or something of that sort. I didn’t have any problem reading the article but yes, paragraphs would have helped.

Get over it!

[sergeantdave]

Excellent article at your link.

[girlangler]

In Elkhart County, Ind., Sheriff Brad Rogers told Food and Drug Administration agents they would be arrested if they go on Amish farmer David Hochstetler’s land.

Hochstetler is a raw milk criminal, and the FDA didn’t like that he was distributing it to people who buy into his herd of dairy cows. So the FDA issued a subpoena and declared it wanted to perform an inspection.

Rogers told the agents if they tried to inspect Hochstetler’s farm without a warrant they would be arrested for trespassing. The Department of Justice responded by threatening to arrest Rogers, but Rogers didn’t blink. The DOJ and FDA did, however. The subpoena was withdrawn, and the Feds slunk away into the night.

[girlangler]

Thanks.

[girlangler]

Cloudcroft, NM (September 13, 2011) Congressman Steve Pearce will participate in Otero County’s emergency tree cutting plan on September 17, 2011. Cutting will take place on one acre of the Lincoln National Forest near Cloudcroft in efforts to clean up the forest and decrease the spread of fires.

“This is an important day for New Mexico,” said Pearce. “I look forward to joining in this effort to restore common-sense forest management to New Mexico. It has been an uphill battle to begin logging again in New Mexico, but September 17th will mark the beginning of increased public safety and local environmental resource management. Fires have devastated overgrown forests, and it is time to take back our forests and protect our families. I commend the Otero County Commissioners for their efforts to bring the power back to local government.”

The Otero County Commission voted in June to create an emergency plan, allowing the county to forego U.S. Forest Service policy and cut trees in the event of an emergency. They created an 80,000-acre plan that calls for responsible management to protect local watershed and prevent fires that have threatened Cloudcroft for many years.

The media and public are invited to attend the event, which begins at 12:00 noon on September 17th. Congressman Steve Pearce will address a crowd attending “Lumberjack Day” at the Cloudcroft Ice Rink, across from Cloudcroft High School, to kickoff the event.

[girlangler]

Loved reading about Sheriff Gilbertson. He’s leading this movement.

[Mycroft Holmes]

Is this forum a journalism school or something of that sort. I didn’t have any problem reading the article but yes, paragraphs would have helped.

Get over it!

Bless your little heart.

[Mycroft Holmes]

You are most welcome. I know there is an HTML bootcamp around here somewhere but I can't edit that so I put a few of the easier and commonly used bits on my FR homepage. Poke at my username if you want to see it. I'll be adding to it over time. A better an more complete resource can be found here, but it's kind of nerdley.

[TEXOKIE]

Thank you for these reports on Elkhart and Otero counties in Indiana and New Mexico. What great news!

[girlangler]

You ll might want to check this out:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2843093/posts