Posted on 02/06/2012 4:32:19 PM PST by Para-Ord.45
Again: Congress also has a right and duty to enact legislation regarding citizenship.
Madison, the Father of the Constitution, made it clear after Ratification, that legislation was needed in order to better define citizenship issues.
Natural Born Citizen has ALWAYS meant Citizen at Birth, and nothing else.
However, Congress has change the rules for birthright citizenship several times.
Congressional Law trumps Common Law.
Congressional Law trumps Natural Law.
Congressional Law trumps The Law of Nations.
Congressional Law trumps Vattel.
There are two classes of American Citizenship, in America:
1.) Natural Born
2.) Naturalized
You can not provide us with a single quote, from anyone in authority, that proves otherwise.
I would refer you to Madison.
Get back to us after you study a bit more.
So, no citation merely a rambling barely coherent general statement devoid of specifics.
Cite the Congressional legislation that overturned Minor and Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of the U.S. Constitution
Courtesy of @http://obamaballotchallenge.com/atlantaobama-eligibility-hearing-transcripts
Now all you have to do is show what backs you up.
The Constitution did not need to be overturned.
It means the same thing now as it meant when Ratified:
Natural Born Citizen means Citizen at Birth!
PERIOD!
You can not find a single member of the Constitutional Convention who disagrees with me.
You can not find a single Founder, President, or early Member of Congress who disagrees with me.
James Madison, the Father of the Constitution, clearly agrees with me.
Madison?
You`re a hack. Can`t even peddle and toe the official line of dicta vs. precedent from Barack Hussein Obama merely a weak “ Minor doesn`t say what it says” drivel.
You sure you want to continue to embarrass yourself like this or maybe it`s time you skulk back to HuffPo or wherever you came from?
In general, I’ve found legal documents posted on scribd to be accurate. I can’t vouch for any particular one, but this doesn’t sound much different than some other Orly documents I’ve read. I do see the appeal posted on Scribd by three different people, and all three look the same. So either three people conspired to put out an offensive (to the judge) appeal, or all three simply have access to filed legal documents.
Do you have trouble believing Orly sent this? I don’t, especially given her statements about Judge Clay Land, for which she was sanctioned. But time will tell - sooner or later her appeal will be posted somewhere else, perhaps on her site. Or the court will comment on it.
“It were to be wished, that we had some law adduced, more precisely defining the qualities of acitizen or an alien; particular laws of this kind have obtained in some of the States; if such a law existed in South Carolina, it might have prevented this question from ever coming before us; but since this has not been the case, let us settle some general principle before we proceed to the presumptive proof arising from public measures under the law, which tend to give support to the inference drawn from such principles.It is an established maxim, that birth is a criterion of allegiance. Birth, however, derives its force sometimes from place, and sometimes from parentage; but, in general, place is the most certain criterion; it is what applies in the United States; it will, therefore, be unnecessary to investigate any other. Mr. SMITH founds his claim upon his birthright; his ancestors were among the first settlers of that, colony.”
http://www.scribd.com/doc/79655719/James-Madison-on-Contested-Election-Citizenship-And-Birthright-22-May-1789-House-of-Representatives Madison has made clear that: 1.) Citizenship had not been clearly defined by the Constitution, and COULD be defined by Congress or the States (at that time, prior to the 14th and 15th Amendments) 2.) Location of birth was the most important factor, in American citizenship law.
Farrar-Weldon-Swensson-Powell v. Obama
Part II page 6. "...the following facts are considered: 1) Mr. Obama was born in the United States...
No matter how hard they get “whacked” they don't pay any attention to facts, law or history, or basic English language comprehension.
” You can not find a single Founder, President, or early Member of Congress who disagrees with me.James Madison, the Father of the Constitution, clearly agrees with me.”
John Jay, who later went on to become the first Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court, Permit me to hint, whether it would be wise and reasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government; and to declare expressly that the Commander in Chief of the American army shall not be given to nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen.
John Adams, 1776:
On the other hand it could never be our Duty to unite with Britain in too great a humiliation with of France. That our real if not our nominal Independence would consist in our Neutrality. If We united with either Nation, in any future War, We must become too subordinate and dependent on that nation, and should be involved in all European Wars as We had been hitherto. That foreign Powers would find means to corrupt our People to influence our Councils, and in fine We should be little better than Puppetts danced on the Wires of the Cabinetts of Europe. We should be the Sport of European Intrigues and Politicks.
Vattel`s Law of Nations, ...natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.
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Children of foreigners, aliens, diplomats and ambassadors are EXCLUDED from both naturalized [national law] and natural born [Natural Law] citizenship according to the man who helped co-author the 14th Amendment.
Natural Born Citizen means Citizen at Birth. Do you have any quotes from John Jay that say otherwise? I sincerely doubt it or you would have posted such by now.
Also, Vattel does not matter at all in this debate. Madison says CLEARLY that citizenship issues had not been defined in detail, by the Constitution.
That Courts could look to Vattel, long ago, prior to Congressional action, prior to the 14th and 15th Amendments, means nothing at all, as a Constitutional matter.
Supreme Court decisions based on Natural Law, Common Law or the Law of Nations or Vattel can be made MOOT by a simple act of Congress, period.
This is how the law works.
Not every Supreme Court decision is based on Constituional Law, SCOTUS can and often does act as the last word on non-Constitutional issues.
Again, in such cases, a simple Act of Congress is all we need to invalidate a prior ruling of SCOTUS.
Congress has acted SEVERAL TIMES, since Vattel’s writings, to further define citizenship -— Just as James Madison desired that Congress act.
When you can do that, I'll be happy to discuss the subject with you.
Until then, please stop spamming the thread.
Now I'll read it.
I hope the whole thing isn't like that.
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