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More questions raised about Santorum residency (2004 hit piece)
Penn Hills PA News ^ | November 17, 2004 | Vera Miller

Posted on 02/08/2012 5:06:33 PM PST by red flanker

Marcie Lucci is one of several Penn Hills residents upset her taxes are paying for U.S. Sen. Rick Santorum's children to attend a cyber charter school.

The Republican senator owns a home in Penn Hills, but lives in Leesburg, Va.

Penn Hills School District is paying $38,000 this year for five Santorum children to attend Pennsylvania Cyber Charter School based in Midland, Beaver County. The district has paid an additional $62,000 for his children to attend the school since 2001.

"It might not be illegal to bill Penn Hills for their education, but it is deceitful, unethical and immoral," said Lucci, a mother of two school district children. "It is outrageous he is doing this."

(Excerpt) Read more at yourpennhills.com ...


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This Santorum School Scandal was not brought up by Rick when he publicly attacked Newt Gingrich for supposed ethical violations (which proved to be politically motivated). It is really ironic that Rick Santorum ran for public office attacking opponents because of questionable residency issues.

Given his previous political attacks on others, it should be pointed out that not only is Rick a lawyer, but it turns out that his wife also has a law degree (from a recent article in which they sued a chiropractor for causing her "permanent injuries"),they have little excuse for their actions which could be considered criminal in some jurisdictions.


1 posted on 02/08/2012 5:06:37 PM PST by red flanker
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To: red flanker

Didn’t take long for the hit pieces.


2 posted on 02/08/2012 5:12:30 PM PST by CPT Clay (Pick up your weapon and follow me.)
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To: red flanker

My property taxes pay for local schools. Where’s the scandal since he pays Pennsylvania property taxes too.


3 posted on 02/08/2012 5:13:37 PM PST by pacpam (action=consequence and applies in all cases - friend of victory)
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To: red flanker

If his kids were anchor babies, this wouldn’t be an issue ...


4 posted on 02/08/2012 5:15:16 PM PST by 11th_VA (Keep your laws OFF my light bulbs !)
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To: red flanker

Yawn.


5 posted on 02/08/2012 5:15:34 PM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: CPT Clay

Hit pieces from the same one or two posters, BTW.


6 posted on 02/08/2012 5:16:14 PM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: red flanker

How pathetic. GO RICK!!!!! Bob


7 posted on 02/08/2012 5:17:30 PM PST by alstewartfan (27 of 36 of Romney's judicial appointments were DEMOCRATS!!!!!)
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To: red flanker
I'm sure Carlie Schumer's real proud to see that in 2012, he still has FReepers carrying his dirty bathwater from 2006.

Maybe if you pull up an article from '98 denouncing Al D'Amato, Chuckie will give you a second gold star and a pat on the head!

8 posted on 02/08/2012 5:17:44 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: red flanker

Apart from a few favorable posts about Newt, virtually all of your recent posts have been attacks on Rick Santorum.

If you really think Newt is the best there is, fine, but this is not the best way to show it.


9 posted on 02/08/2012 5:20:46 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: pacpam

I own four properties in NC, pay property taxes on all of them, home schooled my kids - but didn’t get this kind of break.


10 posted on 02/08/2012 5:21:22 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: red flanker

I am a Newt supporter, but I like Santorum.

This is a bullshit scandal.

If he was paying property taxes on his home in PA while his family lived in VA so that he could serve the people of PA in the US Senate, then there was nothing unethical about it. Plus participating in the program which for Pennsylvanians kept him and his family connected to their own state’s education regime. Oh yeah: being Mormon is waaaaaaaaaaaaay wackier than homeschooling.


11 posted on 02/08/2012 5:21:33 PM PST by Notwithstanding (1998 ACU ratings: Newt=100%, Paul=88%, Santorum=84% [the last year all were in Congress])
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To: red flanker

Why is Penn Hills on the hook for his children’s schooling. If you go to Catholic school, the government doesn’t pay for it.


12 posted on 02/08/2012 5:21:33 PM PST by FR_addict
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To: pacpam
"My property taxes pay for local schools."

Those who LIVE in a locale, but do not OWN property, still vote on Tax issues that don't affect them.

Not at all un-like the voters who LIVE OFF OTHERS (aka, Parasites) via EBT's, Welfare, Food Stamps, Medicaid, etc., who vote in their interest as they don't have to PAY FOR IT.

If you don't pay taxes, you should NOT be allowed to vote, period.

13 posted on 02/08/2012 5:23:59 PM PST by traditional1 (Stay thirsty, my friends.)
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To: CPT Clay
We knew the lib/establishment hit pieces on the Senator were coming once he got his moment of glory, but this is about all they have. They had it all ginned up and were not going to use it if he faded, now they have to roll it out. Pathetic. However, they are so screwed. Like I said, this is about all they have. The guy, for a politician, is realitively squeaky clean. They will not be able to derail his race to the nomination, I am convinced of it. Nice try. By the way, when libs start the attack dog machine, we as citizen journalists should find out EVERYTHING about that "muckracking journalist" him or her self. I mean, comb high school yearbooks, talk to old flames and former teachers, find their contributions information for campaigns, arrest records, divorce proceedings, any crimes committed, tax records, op eds they might have put in student papers,, you name it, and if dirt is found a) make it very public on the internet; and b) make it clear it is in retaliation for them being the attack dogs for American Liberalism against conservatives, and serve it as a general order that the next lib journalist who stoops to it, is going to get the same treatment. Lets play hard ball with these freaks.
14 posted on 02/08/2012 5:25:27 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Santorum is worth a good second look, my friends. Why is it the media and White House hate him so?)
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To: red flanker
Slinging that dirt really hard tonight, old noot must be shaking.

Just think how smart that lady is, all those kids, a degree in nursing and a law degree. You jealous of her IQ?? Oh, and that is federal education money and it is fungible.

15 posted on 02/08/2012 5:25:30 PM PST by org.whodat (Sorry bill, I should never have made all those jokes about you and Lewinsky, have fun.)
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To: Notwithstanding

You don’t have to love Santorum to recognize the pure idiocy of bringing him down.

Looks to me like the original poster was a McCain supporter in the past anyway.


16 posted on 02/08/2012 5:25:51 PM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: CPT Clay

Rick is about to find out how it feels being in the middle of a Shyt storm.


17 posted on 02/08/2012 5:25:58 PM PST by Venturer
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To: red flanker

Personally, I think that’s pretty ugly...no trees. Blah.


18 posted on 02/08/2012 5:25:58 PM PST by Paved Paradise
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To: red flanker

Marcie.....you educate your children the way you want to,....and let the Santorums educate their children the way they think best.


19 posted on 02/08/2012 5:26:24 PM PST by Texas Songwriter (Ia)
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To: pacpam

I can’t take another round of destroy the conservative leader. We honestly need to rally around Rick, I think it’s our last chance to get some enthusiasm for a candidate and that’s the only way to defeat Romney. If we look for the negatives and turn our backs on him, the other side will win by default.

One disclaimer, if Newt makes a comeback, I’m all in for him too but we need to band together for a conservative candidate.


20 posted on 02/08/2012 5:26:50 PM PST by Kenny
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To: pacpam

I can’t take another round of destroy the conservative leader. We honestly need to rally around Rick, I think it’s our last chance to get some enthusiasm for a candidate and that’s the only way to defeat Romney. If we look for the negatives and turn our backs on him, the other side will win by default.

One disclaimer, if Newt makes a comeback, I’m all in for him too but we need to band together for a conservative candidate.


21 posted on 02/08/2012 5:26:52 PM PST by Kenny
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To: Cicero; red flanker

From your posting history, you do seem to spend a lot of time dissing Santorum.

Perhaps you missed this post:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2829090/posts

“You’d think “unquestionably” pro-life, pro-family conservative Rick Santorum whose recent surge took him to a tie in Iowa and who’s now surging in the national polls might be good enough to stand against Romney for the base, but looks like there are “true conservatives” now attacking HIM as not good enough.

Well, drive them all out and who’s left? “
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“I’d suggest that we all stop trying to tear down the other conservative candidates in the race and instead concentrate on trying to build up our own personal favorites. “


22 posted on 02/08/2012 5:27:13 PM PST by icwhatudo
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To: CPT Clay

Yep. Title updated.
AM


23 posted on 02/08/2012 5:30:11 PM PST by Admin Moderator
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To: red flanker

This must be the best Mitt has got.

Yawn.


24 posted on 02/08/2012 5:30:45 PM PST by dforest
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To: red flanker

In what state does Rick claim legal residence?

Has he ever released his income tax returns as he promised?


25 posted on 02/08/2012 5:40:14 PM PST by JohnG45
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To: red flanker

Thanks for posting the pic of Ricks house. Looks kind small given the size of his family. His house doesn’t appear to be overly extravagant, It is probably a dump compared to Romney’s house or Gore’s castle.

The trampoline out back and the kiddie playground is a nice touch too. Thinks for reminding us that Rick is more of a regular guy than most politicians.


26 posted on 02/08/2012 5:40:49 PM PST by RC51
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To: icwhatudo
In my case, I will keep my mouth ZIPPED about Gingrich (nothing negative), because he could come back and eventually be the GOP nominee and I don't want anything said by me to contribute in the least to Obama beating him...and of out of respect for Jim who runs this forum. Having said that, you will find me in there going after Romney and Paul with a passion, and my top support is for RICK SANTORUM. I believe, whatever our differences, this is the decent and moral thing to do as true conservatives here on Free Republic.
27 posted on 02/08/2012 5:43:20 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Santorum is worth a good second look, my friends. Why is it the media and White House hate him so?)
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To: red flanker

Dear Marcie,

Do you agree that all homeowners that do not have school age children are being taken advantage of by deceitful parents that aend their children to any school?


28 posted on 02/08/2012 5:43:51 PM PST by CSM (Keeper of the "Dave Ramsey Fan" ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: red flanker
Total BS hit piece.

Since the founding of the Republic Senators and Representatives have lived in the states near the capital, and many brought their families with them.

They did not thereby lose their legal residence in the districts or states they represented.

Even George Washington, as President, had to leave Mount Vernon and attend to his inauguration in New York City! He'd earlier visited overnight with Congress in the earlier capital called Philadelphia PA, or during dark times, America's largest city at Lancaster, PA.

NO ONE questioned his right to do so and still keep his legal residence right where he'd already lived most of his life. And if Martha visited him, she didn't lose her legal residence.

My goodness, she'd even brought her slaves with her!

29 posted on 02/08/2012 5:45:06 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: org.whodat

I don’t know who red flanker does or doesn’t support or any thing about his or her previous posts or comments but this was clearly labeled (2004 HIT PIECE) I still don’t know why it was posted.


30 posted on 02/08/2012 5:45:40 PM PST by duffee (NEWT 2012)
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To: org.whodat

I don’t know who red flanker does or doesn’t support or any thing about his or her previous posts or comments but this was clearly labeled (2004 HIT PIECE) I still don’t know why it was posted.


31 posted on 02/08/2012 5:46:07 PM PST by duffee (NEWT 2012)
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To: red flanker

Here is an interesting archive from the local PA papers in the middle of Sanctimonium’s last election, with some very interesting stuff...

Apparently, the “he-doesn’t-live-here” issue sealed his fate...

As far as I am concerned, Rick set the standard. He didn’t say one word in defense of Newt when he was being attacked, not one word. And said some very disrespectful things about Newt, his integrity, his mental stability... he set the ground rules for how one conservative treats another conservative in the race, and I am more than happy to play by them...

Newt, other than asking Tricky Ricky to leave the race, never said a single negative thing about Sanctimonium, and often went out his way to praise him during the debates... I am from a military family, it is beyond disrespectful to talk about a mentor that way...

I am checking out the sources before using them, and so far all of them have been accurate...

http://santorumcybergate.blogspot.com/2005/07/you-got-that-right-sister.html


32 posted on 02/08/2012 5:46:12 PM PST by true believer forever (Save the Irish Setters - Vote Newt!)
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To: FR_addict

The school system is responsible for paying for charter school students. The Santorum’s use a virtual charter school at home on the computer.


33 posted on 02/08/2012 5:46:52 PM PST by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we engrave in marble. J Huett 1658)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
Your problem is you are a failure ~ you did not get elected to Senate, and that's because NO ONE LIKES YOU.

So there.

Go get elected and we might change our minds.

34 posted on 02/08/2012 5:47:28 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: RC51

Yes it does look small, with all those kids, compared to the 1.8 million dollar mansion for two that noot owns.


35 posted on 02/08/2012 5:47:45 PM PST by org.whodat (Sorry bill, I should never have made all those jokes about you and Lewinsky, have fun.)
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36 posted on 02/08/2012 5:53:59 PM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: duffee
See post 23, the mod caught it as an old hit piece, the poster has hit the bottom of the barrel on this Santorum attack.
37 posted on 02/08/2012 5:54:30 PM PST by org.whodat (Sorry bill, I should never have made all those jokes about you and Lewinsky, have fun.)
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To: red flanker

He’s not perfect, cast him out! /s

I’m starting to like this guy, don’t care about his house so much.


38 posted on 02/08/2012 6:01:08 PM PST by toddausauras (The)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Vera Miller did this piece: http://www.pittsburghhouserabbit.org/media.html It’s probably a violation of a rather major USDA rabbit marketing order to peddle these bunnies. Our last story about somebody doing this indicated that the fines can be as high as $5,000 per day.


39 posted on 02/08/2012 6:01:52 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: icwhatudo

“I’d suggest that we all stop trying to tear down the other conservative candidates in the race and instead concentrate on trying to build up our own personal favorites. “

I don’t know how many times I’ve made that same request. I must admit I have been corrupted and for the past several weeks I’ve been relentless in critism of Paul and Romney. It started innocently enough with a few jabs at nutty Paul but after the onslaught of negative attacks on Newt from both their campaigns and the lies and distortions and then it came to me they appear to be in concert against whoever was threatning Romney. It appears to me they have declared war along with the media and Rinos on the Conservative element of the Republican party.


40 posted on 02/08/2012 6:02:31 PM PST by duffee (NEWT 2012)
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To: true believer forever
But, and please understand I'm doing this for your own good, the source is not accurate, nor is this a real issue.

Rick Santorum was a US Senator. He brought his family to the DC area.

NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT.

Now, think of it this way. People who imagine their Senators and Representatives lose their legal residence in their home states when they attend Congress in DC, even if they bring their families with them, are MENTALLY UNBALANCED and STUPID.

Now don't take that personally, but that's the way it is.

41 posted on 02/08/2012 6:07:29 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: dforest
Yawn.

Yawn?

Could be a lot more than that.

Robert Wexler (D-Florida), now thankfully an ex-congressman, lives in VA, pays real estate taxes in VA, his children went to school in VA and even claimed a Homestead real estate tax rebate available only to legal residents of the state. He claimed he lived in his Florida district with his mother-in-law in her one bedroom apartment in a senior community limited to those over 55. Think that was a yawn.

How about Eliot Engel (D-NY) with just about the exact same story. Lives in VA with his wife and kids who are schooled in VA and he claimed a Homestead Real Estate Tax Rebate as a legal full-time resident. Yet he claims he lives with his mother or mother-in-law who resides in his district in NY. Still think this is a yawn.

Rick hasn't been in Congress in years. Why is he putting himself in a position where he could possibly charged with fraud?

42 posted on 02/08/2012 6:12:34 PM PST by JohnG45
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To: org.whodat

I assumed the poster had put the (2004) hit piece on it. The bottom of a lot of barrells have been scrapped in the last few months. Of course all my vitriol directed at Paul and Romney is certainly justified.But I have not attacked the Conservatives in the race,


43 posted on 02/08/2012 6:16:38 PM PST by duffee (NEWT 2012)
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To: JohnG45

Yawn.


44 posted on 02/08/2012 6:18:12 PM PST by dforest
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Rick Santorum has backtracked from his 2008 endorsement of Mitt Romney by saying he was for “anyone but McCain.” But in this 2008 interview with Laura Ingraham Santorum praised Romney at great length — contradicting some of what he says today. In the interview, Santorum calls Romney a “true conservative” and says he “is someone we can trust.” http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/seven-minutes-of-rick-santorum-talking-about-how-g


45 posted on 02/08/2012 6:34:57 PM PST by anglian
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To: Admin Moderator
Yep. Title updated.

Thanks.

This was the same hit piece KDKA ran locally prior to Senator Santorum losing the election to Casey. Casey ran under his Father's name as a devout right to life Catholic. When Casey got into office he voted left of Pelosi and is now one of Obama's go to guys.

I can't believe someone is bringing this up again. It was BS then like it is now. However, then Senator Santorum had no chance to counter it.
46 posted on 02/08/2012 6:38:00 PM PST by PA Engineer (Time to beat the swords of government tyranny into the plowshares of freedom.)
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To: JohnG45
Homestead real estate tax rebate ~ in Virginia.

Wexler made too much money to qualify, and he wasn't sufficiently handicapped anyway.

I think someone must have confounded the property tax adjustment law here with a homestead tax rebate. What happens is when property values go up the property tax is reduced so that people don't pay more than they did before. It works the other way too. As property values fell during the Great Obama Recession, property tax rates were increased. This is a legislatively mandated process.

I think Wexler's problem was in not maintaining a proper domicile in Florida ~ a rusty trailer in a decrepit trailer park would have done it.

47 posted on 02/08/2012 6:41:18 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: red flanker

He only cost them $7600/kid. Had he schooled them in PA public schools their teachers unions would probably have extracted more of the taxpayers loot than that.


48 posted on 02/08/2012 6:48:45 PM PST by JohnBovenmyer (Obama been Liberal. Hope Change!)
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To: muawiyah
Okay. Well, let me try and explain this so even you can understand...

That link was to a blog that featured a lot more issues than just the residency one. Clear on that?

I stated that apparently the residency issue was the one that brought him down - (according to the blog, with the help of local powerful dems, a few powerful local newspapers, yada yada... I mean they went crazy over it, petitions, hearings, the usual dem parade). Clear on that?

I was stating it the issue that apparently the locals agreed brought him down... I didn't say a single word about whether it was a valid issue, an accurate or truthful issue, it was the issue that, according to the blog, and a lot of the newspapers' post-election analyses, brought Sanctimonium down. Clear on that?

Okay, let's move on.

But, if you take the time to check out that blog - and I'm sure you didn't (why would you be interested in facts when you can just go snark), there are lots of other local issues that were brought against Sanctimonium during that election - beyond the residency issue... I know that's a compound sentence, but clear on that?

And that is what I am in the process of doing; like I said, checking out all the links on that blog, all pages, to see if they are credible... on all the issues featured on that blog... Clear on that?

Now, here's the hard part...

I said "so far" they are all accurate, the links, I mean. I didn't judge them or render them as true, I am in the process of checking them out... but "so far" they are accurate...

And when I find an issue that I believe is relevant to 2012 or that is strong and viable and worth noting... I will, of course, post something about it here.. with links and corroborating info and sources (some of us are interested in that).

There is a lot more I could say, but I don't want to overload your brain with rational thought, you obviously aren't used to it...

We could have discussed this like adults, issue by issue, you chose to go snarky and stupid... so I chose to get snarky right back at ya... (I'm not stupid).

Think about it twice next time, before you start in on one of you condescending posts.

49 posted on 02/08/2012 6:57:25 PM PST by true believer forever (Save the Irish Setters - Vote Newt!)
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To: red flanker

This scandal sounds as hugh and series as Romney putting his dog on the roof of his car. It is obviously much worse than Obama using cocaine and hanging out with domestic terrorists.


50 posted on 02/08/2012 7:01:30 PM PST by impimp
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