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Santorum says ‘other types of emotions’ could preclude women in combat.
Washington Post ^ | February 8, 2012 | Jennifer Rubin

Posted on 02/09/2012 8:03:54 PM PST by true believer forever

“I think that could be a very compromising situation, where people naturally may do things that may not be in the interest of the mission because of other types of emotions that are involved. It already happens, of course, with the camaraderie of men in combat, but I think it would be even more unique if women were in combat,” Santorum added. “And I think that’s not in the best interests of men, women or the mission.”

Such remarks may please some social conservatives who were never that keen on women serving in the military, but this may not sit well with women who work, sometimes in male-dominated jobs.

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KEYWORDS: 2012; election; jenniferhackrubin; prochoice; santorum; santorum4romney; women
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I am compiling an every-growing compendium, "Mr. Rick, the Deep Thinker." This will definitely make the cut, under "emotions, other types of, Sanctimonium".

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1 posted on 02/09/2012 8:04:06 PM PST by true believer forever
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To: true believer forever

He appears to be referring to men’s emotions.

Though according to feminism, men don’t have any.


2 posted on 02/09/2012 8:07:28 PM PST by DNA.2012
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To: true believer forever

Jennifer Rubin is a lib hack.


3 posted on 02/09/2012 8:07:58 PM PST by RacerX1128 (Cornered in CA)
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To: true believer forever

Why? Rick only spoke the truth. Men can’t help having different feelings for women than they do for men. Guys don’t deal well with seeing women killed or maimed, and anyone who says different is a liar or a fool. Bob


4 posted on 02/09/2012 8:07:58 PM PST by alstewartfan (27 of 36 of Romney's judicial appointments were DEMOCRATS!!!!!)
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To: true believer forever

I think Santorum is a SOB, but his opinion on this doesn’t offend me. He might even be right. Kudos to him for speaking his mind is all I have to say.

Now, how this plays out with the public... I don’t know.


5 posted on 02/09/2012 8:08:23 PM PST by Apollo5600
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To: true believer forever

No job for Pelosi!


6 posted on 02/09/2012 8:08:28 PM PST by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: true believer forever
So ? your all for women in combat ? where women will be killed and raped by our enemies ?
Well, we can thank people like you when we see on CNN or all the TV networks when we see our women being slaughter in combat like hamburger meat.
7 posted on 02/09/2012 8:09:08 PM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: true believer forever
I am compiling an every-growing compendium, "Mr. Rick, the Deep Thinker." This will definitely make the cut, under "emotions, other types of, Sanctimonium".

Hmmmm....I think that this isn't going to stick when you throw it against the wall. This trial balloon isn't going to get off of the ground.

What else ya' got? /s
8 posted on 02/09/2012 8:10:56 PM PST by Engraved-on-His-hands
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To: alstewartfan

Killed/maimed is tough. I’ve found for me that finding out one has been kidnapped is far, FAR worse. Can’t explain it, but there it is.


9 posted on 02/09/2012 8:11:01 PM PST by TheZMan (Obama is without a doubt the worst President ever elected to these United States)
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To: true believer forever

When Johnny Boehner read this, he wept...gently...


10 posted on 02/09/2012 8:11:06 PM PST by jessduntno ("Newt Gingrich was part of the Reagan Revolution's Murderers' Row." - Jeffrey Lord, Reagan Admin.)
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To: true believer forever
I'm guessing that the percentage of Americans who genuinely want women to engage in combat is about 2% -- and they don't vote Republican.
11 posted on 02/09/2012 8:12:49 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (I am pro-Jesus, anti-abortion, pro-limited government, anti-GOP.)
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To: true believer forever

Santorum definitely comes off way too sanctimonious at times.

We all know he is ultra strong on social issues. So he has nothing to prove there... And only turns off others.


12 posted on 02/09/2012 8:13:56 PM PST by nhwingut (Sarah Palin 12... No One Else (Maybe Tim Thomas))
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To: true believer forever

‘true believer forever’ with yet another disgusting liberal attack on a conservative


13 posted on 02/09/2012 8:15:14 PM PST by RygelXVI
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To: TheZMan

Absolutely. Men are only so strong. Look what happened to Lara Logan, another one who believed that the world was as she wished it to be. I admire Rick’s candor. Bob


14 posted on 02/09/2012 8:16:01 PM PST by alstewartfan (27 of 36 of Romney's judicial appointments were DEMOCRATS!!!!!)
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To: true believer forever
You're head is just as deep in your behind as the authors here. Santorum is absolutely right. Men will get killed that didn't have to get killed because they have been taught since childhood to protect their sisters, their female cousins and women in general. Never mind the fact that 99.9% of women don't have the upper body strength to carry a full pack and ammo load. Of course theri will be young troops who will take up that slack and endanger themselves at the same time.

This is pretty simple stuff, you and Rubin should both buy a clue or two.

15 posted on 02/09/2012 8:16:36 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: DNA.2012

Nice catch. This is not about a woman’s emotions. Its about the additional mental pressures a male soldier would be under trying to prevent a female combat soldier from getting killed, raped, etc etc. The title intentionally tries to make it sound like Santorum thinks women’s emotions are not up for combat.


16 posted on 02/09/2012 8:17:04 PM PST by icwhatudo
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To: DNA.2012
He could make a remark like that into a very good thing politically, based on exactly what you just stated about this referring to men's emotions. He could say that ‘he and many other men have been brought up to respect women and their intellect, and don't think of women as combat soldiers responsible for potentially killing others. Instead, they think of them as non-violent nurturers, like our mothers. In a combat situation this could lead to a difficult emotional situation for a man who, even knowing intellectually that women can fend for themselves, would feel a responsibility to try to protect.’

Some militant feminists would still be offended, but they aren't going to vote for anyone with an R after their name anyway.

17 posted on 02/09/2012 8:17:10 PM PST by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: true believer forever

Professional smear merchant peddling a Romney bot propaganda !
How much are you paid to smear and trash here !
U post hate !


18 posted on 02/09/2012 8:18:01 PM PST by ncalburt (NO MORE WIMPS need to apply to fight the Soros Funded Puppet !H)
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To: true believer forever; P-Marlowe

Santorum is right. Women should not be in combat. What are you objecting to in this?

Santorum is saying the male/female relationships could compromise missions.

He is absolutely correct.

I remember talking to a brigade surgeon (a female) about the behavior of our troops “down range” when we were in Kosovo. She said that the females in that setting intentionally used pregnancy to get sent back home.

It’s not just “ain’t it awful”. That absence left a hole in a unit that then had to be filled in with extra work for everyone else. And that gap can’t be filled if the unit is attacked. That’s one less defender.


19 posted on 02/09/2012 8:19:01 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray Continued Victory for our Troops Still in Afghan!)
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To: true believer forever

Do you believe what liberals believe; that men and women are the same? We’re not. Of course we’re going to act different because of the way we were created. What drives a person when they must make life and death decisions? Our emotions; how we react to fear, anger, witnessing death, and guilt....


20 posted on 02/09/2012 8:19:13 PM PST by Linda Frances (Only God can change a heart, but we can pray for hearts to be changed.)
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To: true believer forever
I think we all know what your definition of 'sanctimonious' is by now.

Republican Presidential Candidate Senator Rick Santorum Debating to Ban Partial Birth Abortions 1999

21 posted on 02/09/2012 8:19:40 PM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: RacerX1128

Rubin is a Romney bot and this troll post nothing but Rick hate!


22 posted on 02/09/2012 8:20:14 PM PST by ncalburt (NO MORE WIMPS need to apply to fight the Soros Funded Puppet !H)
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To: true believer forever
Well, I am sure that my cousin who is a veteran, who lost her right arm, for standing up for freedom may say to Saint Rick, it was her decision to sign up.
23 posted on 02/09/2012 8:22:23 PM PST by Christie at the beach
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To: American Constitutionalist

NO, I’m not for women in combat. That’s not why I posted it. I am from a military family and I have lots of reasons for believing women shouldn’t be in combat frontline positins. My point in posting was, there are just a lot of people here, who don’t know how weird and hateful, how pious and self-righteous Sanctimonium sounds to everyday people, even a lot of everyday republicans and especially young republicans...

Especially his remarks later on in the article about working women, many of whom are stuck in deadend jobs, and would much rather stay home than work, and can’t afford to... Sanctimonium preaches at people from some lofty perch that bespeaks him no understanding or compassion for what flawed humans living a difficult life are all about. And judging by the responses on this thread, I am right.


24 posted on 02/09/2012 8:27:20 PM PST by true believer forever (Save the Irish Setters - Vote Newt!)
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To: true believer forever

“WE NEED HIM MORE THAN EVER: www.newt.org/donate “

Yes! vote for Newt the feminist! Vote for Newt for his humane policy on illegals who stayed for over 25 years! Vote for Newt because he’ll show up those Wall Street fat cats!

How about vote for Newt because he’s a conservative? Could work, you know.


25 posted on 02/09/2012 8:27:46 PM PST by ari-freedom
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To: true believer forever

It’s called the romantic element, and it doesn’t belong on the combat team.


26 posted on 02/09/2012 8:30:56 PM PST by MSF BU
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To: xzins

Irrelevant whether he’s right or not, this stuff will cause him to lose an election against Obama much worse than he would have previously.

It’s not a good strategy to run candidates that most of half the electorate now hate. Goes for Gingrich as well.


27 posted on 02/09/2012 8:31:42 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: true believer forever
It wont matter that he was referring to mens' emotions in combat when women are present...and that their natural protective instincts could influence battlefield decisions in a negative way. All true.

What matters is that this meme that is now emerging on Santorum as a fringe kook...mean to boot...will soon be dominant.

Additionally, as contributors and potential contributors judge how this is being played in the press they will hold their money close and start looking for another bet to place.

Rick is not a very good communicator on important issues and does APPEAR strident and/or mean to many people.

28 posted on 02/09/2012 8:31:46 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: alstewartfan

The Israelis confirmed this experiencein 1948. Females are used in other capacities and in motivating young male recruits..


29 posted on 02/09/2012 8:32:46 PM PST by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: true believer forever

He didn’t say it was the WOMEN’S emotions!

(It is logically the men’s protective - or jealous, or competitive - emotions toward women that can compromise battle effectiveness.)


30 posted on 02/09/2012 8:33:44 PM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Author of BullionBible.com - Makes You a Precious Metal Expert, Guaranteed.)
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To: Strategerist

So we should be for Romney then, huh? He knows how to play it safe because he’s not so conservative.


31 posted on 02/09/2012 8:34:03 PM PST by ari-freedom
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To: true believer forever
"I am compiling an every-growing compendium, "Mr. Rick, the Deep Thinker."

If Jennifer Rubin is where you're going for your political discourse now, you just may stand to learn a thing or two by studying Rick.

32 posted on 02/09/2012 8:37:12 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: RygelXVI
A cursory scroll through your posts reveals you have called people supporting Newt ignorant, etc, and said a lot of not very nice things to people who disagreed with you, obviously I am one...

But before you speak so ardently about "another disgusting liberal attack on a conservative" - remember this?:

"Can one really complain about Romney's attack ads, slanted though they may be, when Newt sends out robocalls to Florida seniors telling them Mitt forced Holocaust survivors to eat non-Kosher food?

You actually defended Willard Your Worst Nightmare's attacks on Newt, and more, the calls you talked about were made by a rogue group, which Newt nothing about...

Yep, you're a Sanctimonium supporter, all right.

33 posted on 02/09/2012 8:41:46 PM PST by true believer forever (Save the Irish Setters - Vote Newt!)
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To: true believer forever

Santorum may be right, but this won’t play well for soundbites if he gets the nom. It just won’t.


34 posted on 02/09/2012 8:42:24 PM PST by ReneeLynn (Socialism is SO yesterday. Fascism, it's the new black. Mmm mmm mmm...)
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To: true believer forever
Do you disagree with what Santorum was saying or just how he said it?

I agree this wasn't Rick at his most eloquent, but he's basically saying no women in combat because their emotions would cause men to do militarily dumb things trying to protect their women. I thought that was one of the more common arguments made against having women in combat. I've never served in the military - never figured I had a chance to with uncorrected vision that couldn't see the eye chart much less read any line on it - so I'm willing to defer to the many freepers who have served if I'm wrong on this. I agree that Newt would probably have said this better, but I think he'd accept Rick as being on the proper side of the argument.

Eloquence isn't required for election of Republican presidents, at least not if you give the right answer and are sincere about it. W proved that. I'm not saying it doesn't hurt to be eloquent, but Rick's average remains well about W's reputation... and "corpsman" Obama's reality.

35 posted on 02/09/2012 8:43:01 PM PST by JohnBovenmyer (Obama been Liberal. Hope Change!)
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To: true believer forever

I like Santorum, but he really needs to STFU sometimes. This should not be a trick question: It’s an iron, universal demographic law that women of childbearing age have to be protected, otherwise there won’t be a next generation. Biologically speaking, men are expendable, women are not.


36 posted on 02/09/2012 8:45:18 PM PST by denydenydeny (The more a system is all about equality in theory the more it's an aristocracy in practice.)
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To: DNA.2012

I would expect a concise, powerful, emotionless and totally logical response from the usual vacuum headed media madams.

Better turn your volume down.


37 posted on 02/09/2012 8:46:17 PM PST by whistleduck
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To: Mariner

And I, for one, like men’s natural protective instincts towards women, I count on them, and evoke them when I can :). I replied to someone earlier, I am from a military family, and don’t support women in combat frontline positions for lots of reasons.

But there are a million more things like this that are out there, some worse, much worse from Sanctimonium. He turns a lot of republicans off with his holier-than-thou, strident rigidity and judgmentalness... the general public is going to consider him some sort of bizarre monster.

The cry here when Newt was getting sliced and diced was let
him get vetted - we need strong candidates who can withstand what obama will throw at them. It didn’t matter if most of the stuff was totally false or extremely misrepresentative...

And what this thread proves, is when Santorum supporters get the kind of stuff thrown at them that was thrown at Newt for weeks at a time, while he stayed positive, they respond with you hate, you ugly, head up your ass... this does not bode well...

I sometimes cried at the mean stuff posted here about Newt, I probably shouldn’t admit to that, but unless I was called a name first, or several times, I defended him with facts and ideas and arguments... Sanctimonium supports, most of them, can’t do that. They just fling...


38 posted on 02/09/2012 8:56:12 PM PST by true believer forever (Save the Irish Setters - Vote Newt!)
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To: true believer forever
the calls you talked about were made by a rogue group, which Newt nothing about...

As I'm sure you know but have chosen to ignore, the robocalls in question were, in fact, put out by the Gingrich campaign. To their credit, they said the robocall had not been properly vetted and would never be repeated.

So when you complain that I call certain people ignorant...

39 posted on 02/09/2012 8:56:43 PM PST by RygelXVI
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To: denydenydeny

Yes, you are right. Even the most professionally-dedicated women realize at some point, as they age, that their biological imperative, motherhood, those emotions and stipulations in their DNA, truly are their prime defining properties, what makes them who they are. But they will not abide for a moment, this kind of stuff coming from a man who judges everybody else as a sinner, not on a par with his quality character, and sometimes just plain mean, or seemingly so... I disagreed with you, men are NOT expendable, they fix cars really well, and almost always volunteer to go out after midnight for Chinese food, even on a weeknight. We need them, we love them. :)


40 posted on 02/09/2012 9:03:11 PM PST by true believer forever (Save the Irish Setters - Vote Newt!)
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To: RygelXVI

Do you have a link for that? Because I can provide one for Newt saying he knew nothing about it.. though I’d rather not have to..

I didn’t call you any names... I stated some facts... big dif...


41 posted on 02/09/2012 9:07:06 PM PST by true believer forever (Save the Irish Setters - Vote Newt!)
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To: ncalburt

You mean I could get paid for posting articles containing actual verifiable true quotes from Sanctimonium and get paid for it? Where, please tell me...


42 posted on 02/09/2012 9:09:06 PM PST by true believer forever (Save the Irish Setters - Vote Newt!)
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To: true believer forever
You say that Santorum supporters can't defend him with facts. You post drivel from Romney supporter Jennifer Rubin about Santorum's stance on women in uniform.

If you can handle it, I'll give you some facts. Hell, even if you can't handle it, I'll post it anyways.

I have an aunt who passed away last October. She served as an Army nurse on active duty for 26 years with duty in both Korea and Vietnam, retiring as a full Colonel in the early 1970's. That's a fact.

In 2005 she celebrated her 80th birthday. Our family sent letters to members of the PA congressional delegation asking if they would care to participate in, or recognize her birthday.

One member of the delegation bothered to respond.

That member sent a very personal letter thanking my aunt for her years of service and her dedication to the defense of this nation.

That member was Senator Santorum.

That sir, is a fact.

To post something that suggests, or misrepresent's Santorum's views on women in uniform, is dishonest.

I know better.

43 posted on 02/09/2012 9:13:04 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: true believer forever

Romney, Rubin Coulter = Ménage à trois


44 posted on 02/09/2012 9:13:35 PM PST by Fred (No Job No Home No Food No Problem - Obama 2012)
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To: Strategerist
Irrelevant whether he’s right or not, this stuff will cause him to lose an election against Obama much worse than he would have previously

Certainly, because women across all demographics are clamoring for their daughters to be cannon fodder for jihadists in the Mideast and Northern Africa.

45 posted on 02/09/2012 9:14:50 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: alstewartfan

I thought that was exactly what happened when the IDF tried using women in combat; it was traumatizing for the men to see them wounded/killed.


46 posted on 02/09/2012 9:18:01 PM PST by kearnyirish2
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To: xzins

“She said that the females in that setting intentionally used pregnancy to get sent back home.”

I remember the “Love Boat” in the first Gulf War, which had a high number of pregnancies on its deployment; every one of those women, and the “baby-daddys” if they could be identified, should have been dishonorably discharged. They liked cashing the checks and the bennies, but when the time came to step up they lay down - what a disgrace (and a blow to “equality”).


47 posted on 02/09/2012 9:27:07 PM PST by kearnyirish2
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To: denydenydeny

“It’s an iron, universal demographic law that women of childbearing age have to be protected, otherwise there won’t be a next generation. Biologically speaking, men are expendable, women are not.”

Who is supposed to impregnate the women? I work with several women who refused to have children; they’re expendable, as long as someone will look after their dog/cat. All they do is complain at work how women with children have allowances made for them in terms of work schedules, and that any company picnic that includes employees’ children should include their pets as well; I have no problem with these biologically unproductive women serving in frontline units.


48 posted on 02/09/2012 9:31:28 PM PST by kearnyirish2
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To: Joe 6-pack

The article contained quotes about Santorum, quotes, it wasn’t an editorial. It supplied quotes, that is why I posted it.

God bless your Aunt, God bless her for her years of service, she must have been one of the pioneer women in the military who made it so much easier for military women of today... And I have no doubt Santorum, or his office, would do something that thoughtful. No doubt. But then, I know people from PA, and I know lots of people from the military, and I know they all, each one, are gold... but not everybody knows that, like you and I do. And Santorum says a lot of judgmental things that turn the average person off... that was my point of the post..

A friend of mine recently sent Callista an IM, and asked her if Newt could send his 80-year old father, a veteran, a birthday card. Well, not only did Callista follow up, Newt actually called the man, and they had a wonderful little chat, and I am sure it meant a great deal to him.

Would that make you feel different about supporting Newt as a candidate, or feel differently about his policies? Probably not, and I wouldn’t expect it to. But Santorum has said a lot of judgmental and hypocritical things, and he is going to pay for them as they are revealed.

I read through that FR thread and your Aunt was a beautiful woman, and the one graphic with the plane and the TAPs was so beautiful it hurt. I couldn’t get the Indiana Gazette to pull up the article for me though.

God Bless You and Your Family, and you must know I meant no disrespect to them, or you, at all.


49 posted on 02/09/2012 9:43:54 PM PST by true believer forever (Save the Irish Setters - Vote Newt!)
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To: DNA.2012

Don’t know anything about emotions but
men behave differently around women than they do
around other men.

Women definitely would impede the kill people and break things mission in combat.


50 posted on 02/09/2012 9:45:44 PM PST by super7man
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