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Religious controversy burns Obama again (the rookie Hussein is in WAY over his pay grade)
The Hill ^ | 2/11/12 | Niall Stanage, Amie Parnes

Posted on 02/11/2012 6:18:30 PM PST by Libloather

Religious controversy burns Obama again
By Niall Stanage and Amie Parnes - 02/11/12 07:05 AM ET

Chalk up yet another religious controversy on President Obama’s record.

The furor over contraception that consumed much of this week is just one more instance of the president having been put onto the back foot at the intersection of faith and politics.

It’s a problem that previously has popped up in controversies over Israel, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright and even Obama’s 2008 comments about people holding on to “guns and religion.”

“It almost appears that every time he tries to steer clear of [the intersection of politics and religion], he steps right into it,” said Susan MacManus, a professor of political science at the University of South Florida. “He’s trying not to call attention to it and then he finds himself in the middle of it.”

Announcing his proposed compromise on Friday, Obama had to emphasize again that he bore no animus toward religious people or institutions.

He referred to the principle of religious liberty and added “as a citizen and as a Christian, I cherish this right.”

Just hours later, the US Conference of Catholic Bishops rejected the plan.

He also recalled his work as community organizer in Chicago where, he said, “I saw that local churches often did more good for a community than a government program ever could.”

These overt professions of Christianity — and of sensitivity to religious people’s concerns — echoed the ostentatious reassurances that were needed to dampen the firestorm surrounding Wright that almost engulfed his 2008 presidential campaign.

The furious response to the contraception decision caught many supporters off guard. One former administration official who has spent time with Obama said he was "a little surprised" by the administration's initial decision announced on January 20.

"He's pretty sensitive to religious concerns," the former administration official said. "He often tries to not be combative."

Cal Jillson, a professor of political science at Southern Methodist University said Obama has a blind spot of sorts for these types of situations.

While Obama has religious convictions, Jillson said, “he doesn’t have a natural feel for the depth of emotion of how some people hold their religious views.”

When Obama pondered the latest contraception decision, Jillson surmised that Obama and his aides may have looked at the polls and said “there might be a bit of a flap but we’re good here.

“But they missed the fact that the Catholic hierarchies had the emotion on their side,” Jillson said.

Obama cannot fairly be held culpable for at least some of the troubles that have afflicted him on religion. But his perceived vulnerability on the issue has led some of his would-be Republican rivals, including Newt Gingrich and Rick Perry, to accuse him of undertaking a “war against religion.”

Gingrich used that phrase during a public appearance in Florida at the end of last month, going on to say that the administration’s policy regarding contraception was “a direct violation of freedom of religion.” (He repeated the “war on religion” charge during his CPAC speech Friday.)

In doing so, Gingrich may have been making a play not just for evangelical Protestants who comprise a significant part of the GOP’s base, but also Catholics who are, as a whole, increasingly difficult to categorize politically.

Catholic voters historically voted Democratic in heavy numbers. But in recent years there has been a pronounced divide between white and non-white adherents to the faith. In 2008, exit polls indicated that Catholics overall went for Obama over Sen. John McCain by nine percentage points (54-45) despite white Catholics leaning against Obama by five points (47-52).

Obama’s own attitudes to religion are intriguing. He has made many overt professions of faith, in his books and elsewhere. (The title of his second book, “The Audacity of Hope” is derived from a Wright sermon.)

While still a senator, he delivered a major 2006 speech in which he criticized progressives for their reluctance to engage fully with those who held more overtly religious values.

“The discomfort of some progressives with any hint of religion has often prevented us from effectively addressing issues in moral terms,” he said. “Some of the problem here is rhetorical — if we scrub language of all religious content, we forfeit the imagery and terminology through which millions of Americans understand their personal morality and social justice.”

Yet, at the same time, he attends church relatively rarely — he has gone 10 times in Washington during his tenure as president — and has also sought to oppose any suggestion that one particular faith should be favored.

Princeton professor Eddie Glaude told The Hill that Obama believes in the idea that “religion has a public role but it has to be reconcilable with democratic principles.” In other words, Glaude explained, he appreciated that faith “does animate — and ought to animate” public debates, but that religious people needed to make their case by leaning upon universal values, not sectarian ones.

Obama also has two additional complications to deal with. His own version of Christianity can seem a good deal more reserved, even intellectual, than the more visceral ‘born again’ brand with which many conservatives, in particular, are more familiar. And, as with any Democratic president, he has to be mindful that a significant portion of his base is comprised of secular citizens.

“If you don’t talk about religion at all, people are going to be calling you an atheist or making up stories about you being a Muslim. But if you do it so overtly that it looks fake, that’s a problem too,” said Laura Olson, a Clemson University professor who has written widely about religion and public life.

This week’s The Hill poll showed some of the complexity of the issue. Forty-six percent of likely voters believed the Obama administration’s attitude toward religion to be “about right”. But more than one-in-three (37 percent) felt the administration was “too hostile.” Only 7 percent asserted that the administration was too friendly.

That kind of mix may buttress Obama’s critics on one hand. Yet his supporters counter that he is doing as good a job as can be expected, picking his way through the minefield of religion and politics.

"Thus far, President Obama has walked this line successfully, as President Bush did before him," said David Meadvin, a Democratic strategist. "He talks openly about faith in his personal life, but has never interspersed faith and policy the way candidates like Perry, Bachmann and Santorum do. Their approach may appeal to a small sliver of the electorate, but I think most voters are turned off by it.”

Jillson predicts this won’t be “the first or the last time” Obama finds himself at the center of a culture war, especially as the presidential election heats up.

“What he probably needs is an office of faith awareness and someone who can probably run up the storm flags every once in a while,” he quipped.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abortion; catholics; contraceptionmandate; obamacare; prayer; religion; waronreligion
The Gospel according to Obama
WASHINGTON -- At the National Prayer Breakfast last week, seeking theological underpinning for his drive to raise taxes on the rich, President Obama invoked the highest possible authority. His policy, he testified "as a Christian," "coincides with Jesus' teaching that 'for unto whom much is given, much shall be required.'"
1 posted on 02/11/2012 6:18:37 PM PST by Libloather
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To: Libloather
Announcing his proposed compromise on Friday, Obama had to emphasize again that he bore no animus toward religious people or institutions. He referred to the principle of religious liberty and added “as a citizen and as a Christian, I cherish this right.”

If that's so, then Zero clearly doesn't understand it, nor the concept of rights in general nor the concept of separation of church and state.

2 posted on 02/11/2012 6:22:10 PM PST by Post Toasties (Leftists give insanity a bad name. 0bama: Four years of failure and fingerpointing.)
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To: Libloather

People who think Obama did this naively or without realizing there’s be blowback are nuts. He knew exactly what he was doing. Just like everything else he’s done. It’s not “in over his head” stupidity, it’s part of his radical vision of a different country.

Anyone will tell you that you never go into a negotiation asking for the least you’ll accept - you always ask for the MOST. Then you back down if necessary and still end up getting most of what you wanted in the first place.

Look at Obamas #1 position - absolute mandate.
Then look at #2 - “the accomodation”, which merely shifts the responsibility for payment without altering the mandate.

Anyone care to guess what #3 will be? Rest assured it will not be complete recapitulation. That’s not in the playbook.

Already falling back to position #2 has gained a great deal of support from Catholics and others. He’ll probably fight like hell to go no further, and if he wins, he’s really won everything he wanted.

It is evil and wrong, but it is not a rookie mistake.


3 posted on 02/11/2012 6:27:29 PM PST by bigbob
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To: Libloather

What a pathetic puff piece apologizing for the faux christian. The media are incorrigible!!!


4 posted on 02/11/2012 6:28:39 PM PST by SierraWasp (I'm done being disappointed by "He/She is the only one who can win" and being embarrassed later!!!)
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To: bigbob

Look at Obamas #1 position - absolute mandate.
Then look at #2 - “the accomodation”, which merely shifts the responsibility for payment without altering the mandate.

Anyone care to guess what #3 will be? Rest assured it will not be complete recapitulation. That’s not in the playbook.

Already falling back to position #2 has gained a great deal of support from Catholics and others. He’ll probably fight like hell to go no further, and if he wins, he’s really won everything he wanted.

It is evil and wrong, but it is not a rookie mistake.

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You absolutely nailed it. Leftist ploy and never giving ground. The Catholics are nuts to fall for it.

I would leave the system and self insure. Let the government monies go.


5 posted on 02/11/2012 6:29:40 PM PST by Chickensoup (In the 20th century 200 million people were killed by their own governments.)
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To: Libloather

The man may be religious or a Christian, but his main God is socialism, communism. He doesn’t try to avoid it and end up in the middle of it according to the article, his leanings want to conquer religion and religious people. A supposed learned scholar of the Constitution would steer very clear of the controversies he has had with faith. He does not cherish religious liberty or he would be willing to die for it. He would uphold his oath to defend the Constitution and the religious liberty of the citizen of the USA. His other God is abortion as his record indicates. His words are wholly vacuous and empty.


6 posted on 02/11/2012 6:30:46 PM PST by taterjay
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To: Libloather

A veritable choir of spinners, all trying to make bad look like good.

Obama “steps in it” because he has to. The dog returns to his vomit.

Religion is baked into our system at a fundamental level. Our country was founded by people seeking religious freedom, including the freedom to good things within the framework of the teachings of Jesus Christ.

Obama can’t make “fundamental changes” in America without getting rid of the religious component of our national heritage. He knows it and the “intellectuals” who are making his policies in the background know it too.

The thing I don’t understand is how any of this could possibly fly in the courts. When did the establishment clause become a dead letter? Obama seems to think everyone is going to just nod and sign away their rights under the first amendment.

Got news for you, Obama. That may fly among your crowd of phoney-baloney academic pseudo-intellectuals, but to make it fly in the real world you’re going to have to get rid of the second amendment first.

And you don’t have time to do that.


7 posted on 02/11/2012 6:43:58 PM PST by Steely Tom (Obama goes on long after the thrill of Obama is gone)
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To: Chickensoup

Yep, some lib female university prof was on Fox just eating up Obama’s “accomodation” with a spoon, you just just tell she was thrilled to have her idol back, having so skillfully negotiated this issue in such a clever fashion. It was a real barfer!

Your mention of self-insurance brings up a good point: what about Catholic or other religious institutions that are self-insured? Now that the insurance companies are mandated by Obamacare to cover contraception, for them this means there is absolutely NO accomodation, since they set their own money aside to pay for their healthcare benefits anyway. All most self-insured organizations do is hire some third party to handle claims and paperwork, but there truly is no “insurance” in the sense of shared risk, it’s all their own money.

I guess that’s just one of those things you don’t know is in the bill until after you sign it...


8 posted on 02/11/2012 6:44:32 PM PST by bigbob
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To: bigbob
Obama is just the pliable sock puppet (a figurehead, if you will); Valerie Jarrett is essentially the president.
9 posted on 02/11/2012 6:56:53 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: Steely Tom

Yes, Sir you have nailed it.

He thinks he understands “religion”; he can make some allusions thereto and we all should feel good.

He is no Christian, and his stumbling about on the wrong side of clear issues is all the evidence we need...

Has he finally awakened the sleeping giant? We can build on the recent faux pas, I hope.

It shouldn’t have taken this latest, as his apostasy was clear already.


10 posted on 02/11/2012 6:59:25 PM PST by One Name (Go to the enemy's home court and smoke his ass.)
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To: Libloather

“What he probably needs is an office of faith awareness “...

Huh?? A new czar? A new committee?

Just wow....


11 posted on 02/11/2012 7:03:25 PM PST by CT Hillbilly (Thoughts=Words=Actions=Destiny)
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To: Libloather

I think the Bishops are pushing their luck, now. At first they said Catholic institutions shouldn’t be forced by the govt. to pay for contraceptions and abortions. Violation of church and state. But now they are moving the goalposts and saying ANYONE opposed to abortions and contraceptives on moral grounds should not be made to pay for them. So where does it stop? How about people who object to capital punishment on moral grounds. Should the govt. force them to pay for executions with their tax money? How about people who object to war on moral grounds. Should the govt. still be able to force them to finance war with their tax money? Theres probably a million other examples. The Bishops should just have stuck with religious institutions. By moving the goalposts they will lose a lot of the sympathy and support they have gained.


13 posted on 02/11/2012 7:20:24 PM PST by chessplayer
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To: Libloather
(the rookie Hussein is in WAY over his pay grade)

I suggest nobama had little to do with this decision. It was probably made by his aides and czars as nobama is not intelligent enough to handle something like this.

I've read articles about his speech at the National Prayer Breakfast. Remember, he didn't write that speech. He's incapable. It was written by someone else, loaded on the teleprompter and spewed by nobama.

This presidency must constantly be dumbed down to accommodate nobama.

14 posted on 02/11/2012 7:37:10 PM PST by upchuck (Let's have the Revolution NOW before we get dumbed down to the point that we can't.)
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To: One Name

Obama a Christian ...riiiight!!!!

Where is his baptismal record? Right in the same box as his US birth certifdicate and his outstanding grade reports from Harvard and Columbia.

Bullshite


15 posted on 02/11/2012 7:38:03 PM PST by wetgundog (" Extremism in the Defense of Liberty is no Vice")
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To: bigbob

Goal for #3 ~ just thinking. If they can force you to accept”free” birth control - how long until they can force you to take it? After all, it is economically justified.


16 posted on 02/11/2012 7:47:46 PM PST by kayti (Maranatha!)
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To: bigbob

Goal for #3 ~ just thinking. If they can force you to accept”free” birth control - how long until they can force you to take it? After all, it is economically justified.


17 posted on 02/11/2012 7:48:04 PM PST by kayti (Maranatha!)
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To: wetgundog

He thinks he can talk a good religious game- like the way he has faked his way through everything else in life.

He doesn’t understand that there are certain measures of a man.


18 posted on 02/11/2012 7:51:59 PM PST by One Name (Go to the enemy's home court and smoke his ass.)
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To: Libloather
**Catholic voters historically voted Democratic in heavy numbers**

Not any more.

How about all the Jews, evangelicals, etc. who voted for Obama?

19 posted on 02/11/2012 7:56:21 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: chessplayer
Here is where the goalpost is at:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;

20 posted on 02/11/2012 8:00:43 PM PST by oldbrowser (They are Marxists, don't call them democrats)
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To: Libloather

“..an office of faith awareness..”

ahhhhh; a “Faith Awareness Czar”, that’s what he needs.


21 posted on 02/11/2012 8:23:35 PM PST by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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To: chessplayer

Despite what they said, the administration didn’t change one damned word of the actual regulation. They just put spin on it. Don’t they think that the bishops’ lawyers can read? Journalists can’t, but lawyers can.


22 posted on 02/11/2012 8:31:49 PM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: Libloather

obama is a religious bigot, a racist, a communist, and a closet bisexual.


23 posted on 02/11/2012 8:36:48 PM PST by Castigar
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To: Libloather
When Obama pondered the latest contraception decision

Why is a US President pondering contraception decisions for anyone but himself???

24 posted on 02/11/2012 8:42:06 PM PST by Lady Lucky (Public education -- government cheese for the brain.)
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To: Libloather

Then he compounds his woeful decision problems by messing with Afghanistan combat pay.


25 posted on 02/11/2012 9:06:22 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Romney just makes me tired all over.)
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To: bigbob
He knew exactly what he was doing.

This is a necessary camel nose under the tent for establishing free abortion on demand.

26 posted on 02/11/2012 9:11:27 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Romney just makes me tired all over.)
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To: Libloather
WASHINGTON -- At the National Prayer Breakfast last week, seeking theological underpinning for his drive to raise taxes on the rich, President Obama invoked the highest possible authority. His policy, he testified "as a Christian," "coincides with Jesus' teaching that 'for unto whom much is given, much shall be required.'"

Having something confiscated from you involuntarily is not a sign of personal generosity or sacrifice. Sharing and giving is. This is even assuming everything the government would do with the money was appropriate - if it is just taken from you on a line on your paycheck, what generosity does that involve? You did not willingly give it or make any decision to sacrifice the money.

27 posted on 02/11/2012 11:24:19 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: Libloather

The ‘Anointed One’ had reached his level of incompetence long time ago, but neither he or the left wing news media wants to admit it. Too bad that a good portion of the public have to suffer this imbecile. It will be interesting when a few years from now some of the real history will come out and become public knowledge. Right now more is known about Jesus then about this creature who illegally occupies the public housing project in Washington.


28 posted on 02/12/2012 12:14:53 AM PST by saintgermaine
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To: bigbob

Obama knew what he was doing.

He wants the Church to bow to his edicts, no matter how AntiChristian he becomes.


29 posted on 02/12/2012 12:21:01 AM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: upchuck

If Obama doesn’t know about it, why are all the ‘Catholic’ democrats in Congress cowtowing behind the President to avoid being labeled as opposing Church doctrine.

Harry Reid, D-NV, said that the Democrat caucus “totally” supports Barack Obama’s forcing religious institutions to cover contraception, abortion-inducing drugs, etc. in employee health insurance plans. And if these Catholic, or Baptist, etc. institutions refuse, they will be forced to pay huge fines, which of course would drive these hospitals, universities, etc. out of business.


30 posted on 02/12/2012 12:28:16 AM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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Off topic but:

Roger Brooke Taney - (Roman Catholic)He was the first Roman Catholic to hold that office or sit on the Supreme Court of the United States.

Dred Scott decision - In 1857 the Court heard Dred Scott v. Sandford; its decision is considered to have indirectly been a cause of the Civil War.

Pierre Gustave Toutant Beauregard (Roman Catholic)

Beauregard ordered the bombardment of Fort Sumter on April 12, 1861, firing the first shot of the Civil War.

31 posted on 02/12/2012 12:31:00 AM PST by anglian
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To: Libloather

It’s not Christianity he wants to destroy. It’s that damned Constitution and those absurd principles in the Declaration of Independence!


32 posted on 02/12/2012 1:35:00 AM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: TigersEye

Here he even brags about his intentions:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=lp8ZESkgIcg


33 posted on 02/12/2012 1:39:10 AM PST by bonfire
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To: bonfire

Yep. I wryly laugh when he says “as it turns out.” So, the “Constitutional lawyer” didn’t know that was how our government was structured before he took office? He’s a lying jug-eared Marxist first, last and always.


34 posted on 02/12/2012 1:53:10 AM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Libloather

The Kenyan is trashing the constitution along with religion.


35 posted on 02/12/2012 4:23:33 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Like anyone need further proof... nobama hates the unborn, hates the born, hates you, hates your family, hates your freedom, hates your success, hates Free America, hates Americans, hates the Constitution and hates the Bill of Rights. nobama is a hate crime foisted upon America. nobama is the Destroyer . Everything nobama does is intentional. God help us all. nobama is dangerous to freedom and to life. nobama and his minions must be removed.
36 posted on 02/12/2012 4:30:28 AM PST by hal ogen (1st Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: Cvengr
If Obama doesn’t know about it,

I didn't claim that nobama didn't know about it. I was speculating that he isn't intelligent enough to make this decision.

37 posted on 02/12/2012 6:34:23 AM PST by upchuck (Let's have the Revolution NOW before we get dumbed down to the point that we can't.)
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Obama bows down to Saudi King | American Thinker | April 02, 2009 | Clarice Feldman | Posted on 04/02/2009 8:19:47 AM PDT by rdb3
Obama bows down to Saudi King | American Thinker | April 02, 2009 | Clarice Feldman | Posted on 04/02/2009 8:19:47 AM PDT by rdb3

38 posted on 02/12/2012 7:13:19 AM PST by SunkenCiv (FReep this FReepathon!)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks Libloather.
It's a problem that previously has popped up in controversies over Israel, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright and even Obama's 2008 comments about people holding on to "guns and religion."

39 posted on 02/12/2012 7:13:19 AM PST by SunkenCiv (FReep this FReepathon!)
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To: bigbob

There’s been no “accomodation”. It’s just more slight of hand, and carefully crafted statements to fool people into believing that Obama is reasonable and center of the road, and not the extremist that he really is. What a dog.


40 posted on 02/12/2012 1:39:54 PM PST by virgil
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To: Libloather
"He's pretty sensitive to religious concerns," the former administration official said. "He often tries to not be combative."

When he's not trying to be a tinpot dictator, that is.

41 posted on 02/12/2012 1:48:15 PM PST by Colonel_Flagg (Why, yes. I AM in a bad mood.)
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To: Libloather
"He's pretty sensitive to religious concerns," the former administration official said. "He often tries to not be combative."

When he's not trying to be a tinpot dictator, that is.

42 posted on 02/12/2012 1:48:21 PM PST by Colonel_Flagg (Why, yes. I AM in a bad mood.)
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To: Libloather
"He's pretty sensitive to religious concerns," the former administration official said. "He often tries to not be combative."

When he's not trying to be a tinpot dictator, that is.

43 posted on 02/12/2012 1:48:35 PM PST by Colonel_Flagg (Why, yes. I AM in a bad mood.)
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To: bigbob

Your mention of self-insurance brings up a good point: what about Catholic or other religious institutions that are self-insured? Now that the insurance companies are mandated by Obamacare to cover contraception, for them this means there is absolutely NO accomodation, since they set their own money aside to pay for their healthcare benefits anyway. All most self-insured organizations do is hire some third party to handle claims and paperwork, but there truly is no “insurance” in the sense of shared risk, it’s all their own money.

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Most of the cost sharing programs are in place because of objection to insurance. Many different ways to handle.


44 posted on 02/12/2012 3:59:57 PM PST by Chickensoup (In the 20th century 200 million people were killed by their own governments.)
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To: bigbob

Your mention of self-insurance brings up a good point: what about Catholic or other religious institutions that are self-insured? Now that the insurance companies are mandated by Obamacare to cover contraception, for them this means there is absolutely NO accomodation, since they set their own money aside to pay for their healthcare benefits anyway. All most self-insured organizations do is hire some third party to handle claims and paperwork, but there truly is no “insurance” in the sense of shared risk, it’s all their own money.

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Most of the cost sharing programs are in place because of objection to insurance. Many different ways to handle.


45 posted on 02/12/2012 4:00:27 PM PST by Chickensoup (In the 20th century 200 million people were killed by their own governments.)
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