Can I have some cheese with that bippy?
Posted on 02/15/2012 11:41:51 AM PST by Scythian
I can’t remember what my most recent BP was(its been over 3 years). But I think yours is considered pretty good. I only remember the low one because the doctor was threatening medication if it got any lower.
Back in those days when I was having fainting spells from standing up too fast, I was also getting cold hands and feet if the temp was below 85 degrees.
A well-named product.
More recently, several studies seemed to suggest that eating diets high in saturated fat did not raise the risk of heart disease—a finding that ran counter to decades of dietary advice. (21,22) One highly-publicized report analyzed the findings of 21 studies that followed 350,000 people for up to 23 years. Investigators looked at the relationship between saturated fat intake and coronary heart disease (CHD), stroke, and cardiovascular disease (CVD). Their controversial conclusion: “There is insufficient evidence from prospective epidemiologic studies to conclude that dietary saturated fat is associated with an increased risk of CHD, stroke, or CVD.”(21)
A body of scientific studies shows only a weak relationship between the amount of cholesterol a person consumes and his or her blood cholesterol levels (34)...For most people, the amount of cholesterol eaten has only a modest impact on the amount of cholesterol circulating in the blood. (37)
A big nail in the coffin came from the Women's Health Initiative Dietary Modification Trial, published in the February 8, 2006, Journal of the American Medical Association. (9) This eight-year trial, which included almost 49,000 women, found virtually identical rates of heart attack, stroke, and other forms of cardiovascular disease in women who followed a low-fat diet and in those women who didn't.
The money line from the article:
As research grows on diet and heart disease, it’s becoming clearer that looking at a single nutrient in isolation cannot tell us the whole story about a person’s heart disease risk. People eat foods, not nutrients, and they eat them in an overall dietary pattern. The so-called “Western” diet pattern—high in red meat and processed meat, refined grains, potatoes, and sugary drinks, and low in fruits, vegetables, whole grains, and healthy fats—is associated with higher risk of heart disease.
In other words, the recent scientific findings are that eating saturated fat and cholesterol has no affect on heart disease, and there are other factors involved.
I had read this particular article in the past, so I was already familiar with it. It reminded me of someone that was aware of the newer information, but just couldn't let go of the past, so they took half a step forward while hedging their bets by keeping the other foot in the past. It does do well to point out the risks of carbs, sugar, and trans-fats (things most people don't worry about).
If there is a big problem I have with this article though, it's that it's still stuck in the low LDL mindset. As you could see from the UCLA study, high LDL isn't associated with heart attacks. Low LDL is associated with heart attacks, yet people (even doctors) still cling to the idea that low LDL prevents heart attacks.
The other problem with pushing low LDL, is that people with lower LDL have higher incidences of other medical disorders (and higher overall mortality rates). This seems to be because LDL also has a function as part of the immune system.
For example, there is an inverse relationship between cholesterol levels and hospitalization for infectious diseases. The lower the cholesterol level, the higher the hospitalization rate (and visa versa). http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2809530/
Low cholesterol is associated with a higher risk of HIV: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9436759
There is also a link between low cholesterol and hemorrhagic stroke in the elderly: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8898804
If you just wander around pubmed reading articles, it's amazing the number of studies you come across that link low cholesterol levels to some disease or disorder. It certainly explains why low cholesterol levels are associated with higher mortality rates in the elderly.
IMHO (and it is my opinion here) even if there was a cholesterol/heart-attack connection, you would still have to question whether lowering your cholesterol was the best thing for your overall health. While heart disease is the leading single cause of death, the leading overall cause of death (at every age level) is something other than heart disease (all the other stuff combined).What good is it to be "heart healthy" if it means you'll die younger of something else?
Yet, that seems to be the focus of the path we've gone down. Lower heart disease mortality rates at all costs, even if if means mortality rates for everything else goes up.
You may want to take a look at several of the links I posted about the danger of low LDL in this thread (make sure to show your doctor the UCLA heart attack study data).
I do agree with you that raising your HDL is much more important than anything else you can do.
Trans-fats are totally different from saturated fats. They should not be lumped together in any way.
Saturated fats (as found in natural animal products) don't contain trans-fats.
It's the man-made stuff that contains trans-fats: margarine, vegetable shortening (Crisco), etc... You know, those "healthy alternatives " that for decades the government was telling us was so much better for us than animal fats. Excuse my French, what they told us was a pile of BS.
A few interesting things when it comes to trans fats.
1) The recommended safe level of trans fat consumption is zero. In other words, trans fats aren't considered safe by the medical community at any level.
2) If there's less than .5 grams of trans fat in a serving, they don't have to list it on the label. So, even if it says 0 trans fats on the label, it might still contain some. You could eat four servings of say a 0 trans fat potato chips, and still consume almost 2 grams of trans fat.
3) Mary Enig. It's worth looking up a bio on her. It's fair to say if it had not been for her persistence in the 1970s-1990s the dangers of trans fats may never would have come to light. She was something of a medial whistle blower, and suffered the consequences. She was threatened at work (U of Maryland); her department was downsized and virtually eliminated; she was blacklisted from medical journals; and she was ridiculed in public for pointing out the dangers of trans fats (and for pointing out that the industry had know about the dangers of trans fats since the 1950s). The wikipedia article on her doesn't come close to describing the **** she had to put up with.
Enig's story is also a good lesson in how industrial interests shape government policy and recommendations about diet and health.
LOL/and be careful. . .
WoW! Would you get a load of those......I mean, those are quite a nice pair of...uh...nevermind. I’m going to quit while I’m ahead.
52 here. I attribute it to beer and bread.
Can I have some cheese with that bippy?
575-pound Heart Attack Grill spokesman dies
He was 29.
Was the victim’s name Adam Rich?
My kinda PLACE!!!!
“I’m sure nobody ever had a heart attack while eating Tofu.” Can’t say, but I can state that the data is very supportive regarding the theory that soy has fractions which are sex hormone analogs.
No, soy won’t make you more masculine.
Just a hint, you know.
Dying while eating a big fat cheeseburger?
hmmmm....
well....I can think of better things to die being smothered in than a cheeseburger
Not guilty!
Big deal.
People have heart attacks while jogging, riding bikes and doing other so-called healthy activities.
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