Posted on 02/15/2012 1:10:19 PM PST by FewsOrange
Pediatricians fed up with parents who refuse to vaccinate their children out of concern it can cause autism or other problems increasingly are "firing" such families from their practices, raising questions about a doctor's responsibility to these patients.
Medical associations don't recommend such patient bans, but the practice appears to be growing, according to vaccine researchers.
In a study of Connecticut pediatricians published last year, some 30% of 133 doctors said they had asked a family to leave their practice for vaccine refusal, and a recent survey of 909 Midwestern pediatricians found that 21% reported discharging families for the same reason.
By comparison, in 2001 and 2006 about 6% of physicians said they "routinely" stopped working with families ...
Most pediatricians consider preventing disease through vaccines a primary goal of their job. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and AAP issue an annual recommended vaccination schedule, but some parents ask if their child's immunizations can be pushed back or skipped altogether, pediatricians say. While rates for several key inoculations in young children rose between 2009 and 2010, according to the CDC, lower immunization rates have been blamed as a factor in U.S. outbreaks of whooping cough and measles in recent years.
Parents often voice concerns about autism or that their child's immune system may be overwhelmed by too many vaccines at once. Worries about a link between vaccines and autism arose because some parents noticed their children regressed, or lost some skills, around the time of their vaccinations at two years of age. Another concern centered on the former use of mercury as a vaccine preservative.
Numerous studies since have dispelled these concerns among scientists. Rather, scientists say, it is more likely that autism symptoms begin showing up around the same age children are vaccinated.
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>> “Exposure to some things seems to help the immune system.” <<
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Absolutely true; exposure through skin contact or intestinal contact, but not by injection directly to the blood.
I'll bet you're absolutely correct. It's all defensive medicine at this point.
I have an auto-immune disease which requires I take a biologic medication to "switch off" part of my immune system related to inflammation. I was diagnosed by a specialist with this condition a year ago, and unfortunately for me there's not many doctors who know how to treat this condition effectively.
Last year when I was diagnosed and put on medication to manage my condition, the doctor wanted me to get a flu shot. I refused. I know perfectly well how to avoid the flu and did so last year. I never caught the flu.
This year my doctor insisted I get the flu shot (primarily because of my immuno suppressed system) and told me if I didn't - to find another doctor!
After a lifetime of fighting with doctors over everything, I finally acquiesced and got the shot. This is the ONE doctor in the 15 years I've had this condition that was able to diagnosse and treat me effectively, I figured it was time I just listened to what he told me to do and just did it.
Call me silly, I guess every once in awhile these Doctors actually know what they're talking about -- even if I suspect he's practicing defensive medicine.
One shot that I always accept, is Tetanus.
Couldn’t have said it better.
And when Govt Finally realizes it needs to control its expenses,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbeit_macht_frei
It’s a pre set, evolving continuum. Happens every time the “Good of the State” becomes the good of the individual.
Vaccines aren’t perfect, so I wouldn’t take the risk. My family experience with vaccines has been good. I have no complaints, and also no desire to force them on anyone. I would just take my family and my business elsewhere if the doctor’s waiting room was always full of un-vaccinated folks.
When I was in 4th grade they were pressing for all the kids to get a tetanus shot. I didn’t but most of the school did. They had 3 or 4 deaths from that shot.
Later they learned that there was a simple test that was supposed to be administered before a tetanus shot that would have predicted the problems.
Government schools are deadly.
Three or four deaths from the tetanus shot in your elementary school?
I’m not buying it. What year was that?
Again, I direct you to Incidence Rates of Poliomyelitis in US. The polio vaccine was developed in 1953 and widespread trials begun in 1954. When was this supposed steady pre-vaccine decline?
Do you know that the shingles vaccine like many others is cultured in a cell line derived from an aborted human fetus?
And I’m posting to one of those stupid people. My nephew was severely brain-damaged by a DPT shot at age two. It’s a well-documented problem.
He’s nearly 30, and functions at the level of a toddler.
This is one of many issues that doctors themselves who aren’t fond of vaccines bring up. Bypassing several layers of the immune system is not natural. It requires the body to go into emergency mode as the foreign invader has gotten into the core of the body intact and without any warning or any external defenses, like the skin, trying to deal with it first. So your inflammation response to attack has to be extreme.
ANd then we wonder why auto-immune diseases are so much more common these days, especially among younger people.
That is another unfortunate real issue with vaccines. Many that are around today are only derived from cultured cell lines of aborted babies. There used to be several different sources and usually at least one source that wasn’t from aborted cell lines, but now that isn’t the case. So it’s really limited the choices for many Christians out there for some of these vaccines. And it’s not their fault, they aren’t the ones culturing the vaccines. If there were alternative sources many of these people would choose to get some of these vaccines.
You may believe they are being dismissed in the fever swamp that is your imagination, but the risks associated with vaccines are absolutely not dismissed by the medical profession or anyone else familiar with how vaccines work.
....despite evidence to the contrary and at great professional peril if one seeks to display this evidence
There are risks and benefits with all medicines. And again, the benefits far outweigh the very small chance that children will experience and adverse reaction to a vaccine. When was the last time you saw someone suffering from smallpox, polio or whooping cough? Exactly.
...and you don’t understand that, your credibility suffers.
LOL. You're uniquely unqualified to be lecturing anyone about credibility with all that tin foil wrapped so tightly around your head. Vaccines are popular, and are highly recommended by medical professionals who, unlike yourself, know what they're talking about, because their success at eliminating and preventing diseases, that at one time decimated the human population, is a fact. No consensus is needed. The evidence is overwhelming....at least to anyone who doesn't have his head buried in the sand or covered by an industrial sized roll of tin foil.
Since you don’t know what you’re talking about in terms of the $ to be made
Every time you make a statement you have the opportunity to prove that you know what you're talking about or that you are clueless. Since you've chosen the latter approach, I'd challenge you to show us how profitable vaccines are when the government has to provide financial incentives for industry to continue making them. Anyone who thinks that pediatricians need to provide shots to kids to remain in business has his tin foil wrapped so tightly he's cut off the flow of blood to his brain.
If all those pediatricians and evil big pharma are only interested in profiting from vaccines, at the expense of our children, why wouldn't they just forgo the vaccines and and make a boat load of money treating all those horrendous diseases when they make a comeback? After all, doctors don't become doctors to help prevent illness and to treat it; no, they're only in it for the money, right? All those researchers employed by big pharma are only there for the money too, right? And you know how many drug researchers? None? Yeah, that's what I thought. To believe the unmitigated crap you appear to embrace, you'd have to be one rabid conspiracy nut. And you want to talk about credibility? Sure.
Since you think I claimed vaccines don’t do good, which I never said, your use of straw arguments now has your credibility in need of morphine
You said:
You think it's suspicious that the government protects a marginally profitable industry from the wrath of the trial lawyers? If you had any idea what the hell you're talking about you'd know that the trial lawyers are responsible for many vaccine manufacturers ending production. When nobody makes vaccines, children don't get them. Oh, I see your plan now. Tell us again about how you think these vaccines do some good before suggesting that it's "suspicious" that vaccine makers are being protected because their products are analogous to tobacco. That was funny. You're as transparent as a Detroit high rise.
Then you went on to say that:
I assume you're claiming that "big pharma" is making huge money on vaccines. If you could prove that you would. But we all know it's just feelings so you won't. Let me pass you some more tin foil.
Then you finish with a flourish by saying this:
A rational person would conclude from this statement that you believe vaccines to be a "big lie" in the same way that man caused global warming is a "big lie."
Tell us again about how you never said that vaccines "don't do good." Your tap dancing needs a lot of work.
The proliferation of vaccine conspiracy idiocy like yours leads me to believe that our herd immunity is being replaced by herd stupidity.
That attitude might work in rural Alabama, but it wouldn't work in south Texas. Back when my dad had a ranch, we had several Australian Heelers for working cattle and were allowed to roam freely around the compound. They were all vaccinated for rabies. The high incidence of rabies infection of mammals and especially coyotes in south Texas makes having unvaccinated dogs very dangerous. There is even a program to put out vaccination baits to lure wild coyotes. The program has been very successful at decreasing the incidence of rabies in coyote populations
Keep believing what you want. The long-term effects of the adjuvents in the vaccines (not the viruses themselves) are what is at issue. Since I do know way more than you - having seen first hand what an adverse reaction can do - and am intimately familiar with the vaccine court and the squashed research on the adverse effects, I’ll leave you to your high, mighty, and ultimately dangerous position. I’ll add only this - if you knew there was a genetic marker or two that determined the potential for an adverse reaction, but this research was never brought to publication because this might influence folks’ minds, what would your conclusion be?
With your superior knowledge of the subject you should probably be aware that the total number of antigens a child receives during their entire vaccine schedule in these modern times is lower than what was found in one single vaccine that I received as a child. You got any arguments based on facts, or is everything with you about feelings and tin foil?
having seen first hand what an adverse reaction can do - and am intimately familiar with the vaccine court and the squashed research on the adverse effects,
No one ever claimed that vaccines are without the risk of side effects. You keep wanting to create your own arguments. You really ought to polish those debate skills. As for the vaccine court and all the "squashed" research on adverse effects...well, that sound like one hell of a conspiracy involving hundreds (if not more) people. I will say that you have quality tin foil.
I’ll leave you to your high, mighty, and ultimately dangerous position.
Yeah, much more dangerous than Polio, Small Pox, Pertussis. Measles and Diphtheria. We were much healthier as a nation back when those afflictions tortured society. Dangerous? You Luddites are a trip.
if you knew there was a genetic marker or two that determined the potential for an adverse reaction, but this research was never brought to publication because this might influence folks’ minds, what would your conclusion be?
That you spend to much time listening to Coast to Coast.
We have one “high risk” child. We do not want her to spend any time with children who aren’t vaccinated for health reasons. No exceptions.
And yes, we absolutely do ask people if they vaccinate. I have no issues whatsoever about asking and getting an answer.
So, good for the doctors.
We wouldn’t force people to vaccinate if we could. It isn’t our business, even though I know that they are doing a terrible disservice to their children and to society.
But we can avoid them like the plague and make sure our kids do, too, as much as possible.
Reading comprehension is not your strong suit - an adjuvent is not the same as an antigen. Please consult a dictionary. Since you show so little actual knowledge, how can anyone take you seriously.
So, please continue to vaccinate and be vaccinated. Please consider doubling up - you can have mine. Enjoy!
Some vaccines are “cultured” in human cells, but understand they are not made from nor do they contain any human cells from aborted babies. The two cell lines in use today were cultured from cells taken from two abortions, one (MRC-5) that was performed in September, 1966 and one (WI-38) that was performed in July, 1962.
Here is a more in depth explanation and some facts from a pro-life Christian, BTW.
Vaccines DO NOT Contain Fetal Tissue
I understand the objection many have; I have my ethical concerns as well, but also understand that these two babies aborted in the 1960’s were not aborted for the reason of harvesting their cells and sadly would have been aborted anyway. And what’s been done cannot be undone some 30 years after the fact. Refusing to get a vaccination because it was cultured in one of those two self perpetuating cell lines, would not prevent those abortions from having already happened and, as the author points out, no cells from abortions since are used or necessary to culture vaccines and in fact such is now illegal.
That their cells were “donated” after the fact and that in their “murder” at least something good and life saving for so many has come from it and should perhaps be considered.
Ironically one of the two cell lines came from a mother who along with her unborn baby contracted Rubella. That didn’t make the decision to abort the baby right, no matter how severely deformed, but with the Rubella vaccine, pregnant mothers and their unborn children are at much less risk of contracting that disease, at least if people get the vaccination.
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