Skip to comments.Five Reasons to Oppose Gay Marriage
Posted on 02/17/2012 4:43:39 AM PST by Kaslin
1) Gay marriage is incompatible with Christianity (and for that matter, Islam & Judaism). If someone asks you why you oppose gay marriage, the only thing you really have to say to explain it is, "I'm a Christian."
God doesn't condemn anyone for who he is; so if you're attracted to the same sex, that absolutely, unconditionally doesn't make you bad, evil or "un-Christian." On the other hand, let me note that I do consider hating, tormenting, or bullying people because of their sexual orientation to be distinctively "un-Christian" behavior. As Billy Graham has said, “God will not judge a Christian guilty for his or her involuntary feelings.” However, God has drawn a clear line in the sand when it comes to homosexual acts. If you're gay, you're not allowed to act on it. If that seems harsh or unfair to you, well, sorry, but you'll have to take it up with God. It's His rule.
"Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is an abomination." -- Leviticus 18:22
The people of Sodom and Gomorrah could tell you how serious God is about that -- if there were any of them left. So as a Christian, you can no more condone gay marriage than you could give the thumbs up to prostitution or wife swapping. That means if you're a Christian standing in favor of gay marriage, then you're a Christian who's standing directly in opposition to the God whom you claim to worship.
2) Gay marriage will end up infringing on religious freedom. The moment gay marriage becomes the law of the land, all sorts of First Amendment freedoms involving the free exercise of people's religion will likely be infringed upon as a consequence. No pastor should be forced to marry a gay couple. No wedding photographer, cake maker, caterer, or wedding planner should be forced to be involved in these weddings. No church or any other location should be forced to be the site of a gay wedding. Children will be taught in schools that gay marriage is normal, legal, and moral -- and it directly contradicts the teachings of Christianity, Judaism, and Islam. To create this special privilege for gay Americans would mean impinging on the First Amendment rights of more than 200 million Americans.
3) Civil unions could confer every "right" that marriage does. Gay marriage is not about "rights;" it's about special privileges. After all, every right conferred upon a couple via marriage could be just as easily conferred on a gay couple via a civil union, which is a compromise that could probably be had if gay activists wanted it. In fact, the biggest objection conservatives have had to civil unions is that there's a fear they'd be used as a stepping stone to gay marriage. So, let's be clear: there are actually no "rights" whatsoever at stake in the push for gay marriage.
Instead, what gay activists are looking for is a special privilege of the worst sort because it's as much about dragging everyone else down as it is about raising everyone up. To accommodate gay marriage, the whole meaning of marriage has to be warped and twisted. The religious content has to be taken out and marriage has to become just one more reason to file paperwork with the government.
So, this isn't really so much about marriage per se as it is an attempt to force society and religion to accept gay unions as every bit as normal and healthy as straight relationships, which will never truly happen. You might be able to intimidate some people into silence with political correctness, but the truth is still there and people know it, even if they don't want to be screamed at and accused of being bigots for pointing out the obvious.
4) Gay marriage may be where it starts, but it wouldn't be where it ends. Once the definition of marriage is arbitrarily transformed to make gay activists happy, there's no chance it's going to stop there. For example, you could make a much better case for polygamy than you can for gay marriage. It has a much more robust historical tradition, it's more consistent with religious values, it produces children -- there simply is no compelling, logical reason why gay marriage should become the law of the land without also granting polygamy the same legal status.
Furthermore, once that door is opened, where does it stop? How about brother and sister? Marrying the dead sound any better? How does man and dog strike you? Adults marrying children? How does marrying a tree or a clay urn hit you?
People get outraged by this sort of comparisons, but this isn't just speculation; these are unions that have occurred in other countries. So, if it has happened somewhere else, you can be sure some wacko will want to do it here, some lawyer will decide marrying your sister is a civil right, and some liberal judge will agree with him. Next thing you know, anyone who opposes it is accused of being George Wallace and trying to stop the progress of civil rights. Sound farfetched? Well, isn't that exactly what happened with gay marriage?
5) Marriage already has enough problems as it is without gay marriage. One of the weirdest arguments in favor of gay marriage goes like so: Marriage is already on the rocks. Look at all the people cheating, look at all the divorces; so why not gay marriage, too?
This is like arguing that someone has already accidentally eaten some rat poison; so why not give him some cyanide to go along with it? When someone's sick, you don't make him sicker, you heal him. If marriage has been tarnished in our society -- and it has -- we should be looking for ways to strengthen marriage, not weaken it.
Sure, if gay marriage were to become legal tomorrow, you wouldn't have legions of people who are already married running off to get divorced. But, gay marriage would further degrade the religious element of marriage, cut down on the "sacredness" of it, and make it less of a special event. That would cause people to put less value on marriage, make them less likely to get married in the first place, and make them more likely to get divorced. This leads to more children being born out of wedlock and kids from single parents are more likely to commit suicide, take drugs, go to jail, drop out of high school, etc., etc. in every category that matters than kids from two parent families. You can already see this starting to play out in Sweden, Norway, and Denmark and you'll see it happen here, too, if gay marriage becomes the law of the land.
Simple. God’s way or mans way.
OK...now give me five good reasons against gay marriage without referring to god, religion, or the bible directly or indirectly.
Libertarians take notice.
It is against the natural law. It is against biology.
Confused children who have two mommy's or daddy's.
Our anatomy is not designed to accommodate same sex, sex.
This is an opinion, not a fact. Our human anatomy is far more versatile and agile than you give it credit for being.
I'm sure that there are plenty more, but for me God's reasons are enough.
Unfortunately, in your response, you've only provided one reason "against" gay marriage. Not homosexuality in general - just gay marriage.
And using god as a reason simply does not make an argument. However, if it suffices for you - that should be enough - for you.
Just don't try to foist your belief system on those who do not believe as you do. You're likely to run into some very stiff opposition!
Sadly I am more and more convinced that we are losing this battle.
The end of DADT will accelerate this progressive movement.
How did we end up with a generation of young adults that see homosexuality as just another race or sex?
"I KNOW BUT ONE CODE OF MORALITY FOR MEN WHETHER ACTING SINGLY OR COLLECTIVELY"
It is against biology.
What is "it"? Are you referring to "gay marriage" or homosexuality? If you are referring to pro-creation, then I would suggest there are huge numbers of parentless children strewn about just begging for a comforting home.
"According to my opinion, and the opinions of many defectors of my caliber, only about 15% of time, money, and manpower is spent on espionage as such. The other 85% is a slow process which we call either ideological subversion, active measures, or psychological warfare. What it basically means is: to change the perception of reality of every American that despite of the abundance of information no one is able to come to sensible conclusions in the interest of defending themselves, their families, their community, and their country.It's a great brainwashing process which goes very slow and is divided into four basic stages.The first stage being "demoralization". It takes from 15 to 20 years to demoralize a nation. Why that many years? Because this is the minimum number of years required to educate one generation of students in the country of your enemy exposed to the ideology of [their] enemy. In other words, Marxism-Leninism ideology is being pumped into the soft heads of at least 3 generation of American students without being challenged or counterbalanced by the basic values of Americanism; American patriotism. "--KGB Defector Yuri Bezmenov--Soviet Subversion of the Free Press (Ideological subversion, Destabilization, CRISIS - and the KGB)
Our law considers marriage in no other light than as a civil contract (not a right). . . . The duty of parents to provide for the maintenance of their children is a principle of natural law; an obligation, laid on them not only by nature herself, but by their proper act, in bringing them into the world: for they would be in the highest manner injurious to their issue, if they only gave the children life, that they might afterwards see them perish. . . And thus the children will have a perfect right of receiving maintenance from their parents. And the president Montesquieu has a very just observation upon this head: that the establishment of marriage in all civilized states is built on this natural obligation of the father to provide for his children; for that ascertains and makes known the person who is bound to fulfill this obligation: whereas, in promiscuous and illicit conjunctions, the father is unknown; and the mother finds a thousand obstacles in her way.
and I would add that fellow citizens, as a consequence, must be deprived of the natural right to the fruit of their own labor to provide maintenance for the child.
Governments are instituted to protect the natural rights of citizens (Declaration of Independence). Civil marriage is a contract that delegates that responsibility (for the child) to the parents who created the child. A child has a natural right to a mother and a father. Civil marriage insures that right. It requires parents to care for children they create thereby protecting the natural right of other citizens.
Gay marriage cannot produce children. What they do or how they live there lives is not a civil concern. If there are impediments to there pursuit of happiness, they should be removed.
Q: How did we end up with a generation of young adults that see homosexuality as just another race or sex?
Don't need no Weatherman to see which way the wind blws."Behind the Violence, Says Jane Alpert, Was Sex"
--November 09, 1981--
"The leaders of the Weather Underground, she believes, followed a similar pattern of constantly shifting sexual alliances..."
"He [Bill Ayers] also writes about the Weathermen's sexual experimentation as they tried to 'smash monogamy.' The Weathermen were 'an army of lovers,' he says, and describes having had different sexual partners, including his best male friend."
Source: New York Times, September 11, 2001: "No Regrets for a Love Of Explosives; In a Memoir of Sorts, a War Protester Talks of Life With the Weathermen"
"...the Weathermen, when not engaged in group sex, committed such revolutionary acts as parading with a Viet Cong flag through a local park on Independence Day and spray-painting the walls of a high school with the slogans, "Off the Pigs," "Viet Cong Will Win," and "F#$k U.S. Imperialism."..."
"What happens next bears watching closely, as does the response of the president, ex-Speaker Pelosi, and others on the left. Encouraged by leftists in the Democratic Party and funded by left-leaning nonprofit organizations and celebrity contributors, Occupy Wall Street may in time morph into something resembling the radical factions of the late 1960s and 1970s."
My answer is God’s way
>>And specifically, what “natural law” might that be?
The law that says that when cultures “normalize” behavior that reduces their socio-biological fitness, they FAIL to compete with more reproductively fit cultures.
Just a joke, lighten up.
Here is a reason I give to my gay friends- Do you really want big brother having a list of who all is gay? Do you want to be on some government's list? What happens if by some weird twist of fate, you get some Fred Phelps type person in charge?
I, for one, will refuse to give up the biblical worldview just because a fool doesn’t recognize its authority.
What the anti-theists refer to as “natural law” is simply the way the Creator made things and how He tells us is best to live in the reality He created.
And, rather than just guess, I will look to the special revelation He has given us.
Homosexuality is just having someone else help you masturbate. Homosexuals are the most self-absorbed, self-serving and self-centered people in the world. An empty, short life.
“The religious content has to be taken out and marriage has to become just one more reason to file paperwork with the government.”
This is why so many accept the premise of “gay marriage” in the first place. Many have been conditioned over the last 100+ years to think the institution is simply a collection of benefits and strictures that can be taken away and resumed as long as the state says it is OK. A recent poll has 40% of folks thinking marriage comes from man and thus the state. So gay marriage is possible because the state says it is possible, as the state defines marriage, at least for many.
It was always a danger, at least in modern times, as the states definition is simply going to be whatever judges, pols, or the majority think it is at the time. But there are some faiths whose definition is never going to change, as they recognize they don’t have the authority to change it. It’s just a shame the state has the power to punish if one disagrees with its ever devolving take on the institution.
A marriage is a union between a man and a woman. You would have to redefine marriage.
It would be like changing the definition of “African American” to include white people so whites could get contracts geared towards the African American community.
Mine too but sadly, I think we’re in the minority. Everything is acceptable today.
I oppose it because, It isn’t right, says so in my Bible. Also they cannot reproduce only recruit.
No need to guess, His orderly handiwork is self-evident at every level of Creation.
For example, the quantum-mechanichal cosmological model observes that one moment the universe was not, and the next, all the energy in it was.
Aka: “Let there be light”.
And BTW, Quantum Mechanics, especially QED, is a fundamental part of the science that produced the engineering that produced the technology... that allows the photons to fly off the screen you're reading this on.
But then, any fool can see that.
Your premise is unworkable. Once you take G-d out of the equasion, why isn’t it okay to commit murder? Why isn’t incest okay too? Why shouldn’t you be able to commit perjury with no fear of punishment? Why shouldn’t you be able to go into your neighbor’s house and take his big screen TV? Why not bed your pet goat?
Every single law we have is based on the admonitions in the Bible and without it, how do you define morality? How do you differentiate between man and beast?
YOU think you are being logical, but what you are really doing is wiping out the very underpinnings of civilization itself.
And thou shalt not give any of thy seed to set them apart to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy G-d: I am HaShem.
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind; it is abomination.
And thou shalt not lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith; neither shall any woman stand before a beast, to lie down thereto; it is perversion.
Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things; for in all these the nations are defiled, which I cast out from before you.
And the land was defiled, therefore I did visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land vomited out her inhabitants.
Ye therefore shall keep My statutes and Mine ordinances, and shall not do any of these abominations; neither the home-born, nor the stranger that sojourneth among you—
for all these abominations have the men of the land done, that were before you, and the land is defiled—
that the land vomit not you out also, when ye defile it, as it vomited out the nation that was before you.
For whosoever shall do any of these abominations, even the souls that do them shall be cut off from among their people.
Therefore shall ye keep My charge, that ye do not any of these abominable customs, which were done before you, and that ye defile not yourselves therein: I am HaShem your G-d.
These Laws have served us well for over 6,000 years. They have raised us above beasts of the jungle and beasts of the field, But YOU would wipe it all out because you are so much smarter than the all the wisdom that civlized us without even realizing that what you propose is the downfall of HUMAN culture and a return to the cave.
Not to me,and I don’t think we are in the minority
Uhuh. Just like the occult latin-parroting eunuchs running a certain vestigial syncretic remnant of the perverted Roman empire... and those who ran theocratic god-man tyrannies of the Eqyptians and Babylons before them.
Meet the New Boss, same as the Old Ba'al
Good on ya -
don’t “concede” the authority of the Bible.
It is the only logical basis for any assertion of right and wrong. All other “bases” are arbitrary, and based on nothing but having your feet firmly planted in mid-air.
oops, wrong post to reply to.
If it applies to Kaslin, all the better, though... :)
How about just one? The state has no business telling people who they can and cannot form contractual alliances with. Therefore, the state should divest itself of the marriage business entirely, neither sanctioning nor disapproving it. Its compelling interest is limited to only the legal issues of property, child custody, etc.. So leave it there.
MSM account for nearly half of the more than one million people living with HIV in the U.S. (48%, or an estimated 532,000 total persons).
MSM account for more than half of all new HIV infections in the U.S. each year (53%, or an estimated 28,700 infections).
While CDC estimates that MSM account for just 4 percent of the U.S. male population aged 13 and older, the rate of new HIV diagnoses among MSM in the U.S. is more than 44 times that of other men (range: 522989 per 100,000 MSM vs. 12 per 100,000 other men).
MSM are the only risk group in the U.S. in which new HIV infections are increasing. While new infections have declined among both heterosexuals and injection drug users, the annual number of new HIV infections among MSM has been steadily increasing since the early 1990s.
The high prevalence of HIV among gay and bisexual men means MSM face a greater risk of being exposed to infection with each sexual encounter, especially as they get older.
Count one reason... or (5) five... as you wish.
QUOTED: From a CDC Fact sheet published in September 2010
God doesn't hate sin because He is into being a buzzkill.
God hates sin because it is destructive to life as He intended us to enjoy it!
Have a nice day.
See my response @ #34 above
Because Gay Marriage is legal in MA. Federal Judge Wolfe ruled that all parental notification and opt out laws are hereby null and void. If you protest them you will be arrested and have the Superintendent of Schools and some city councilors protesting in front of your house. gay Activists can also enter public schools and have access to other people’s children to talk about El Joy de Sex without undergoing a CORI (criminal background check). If you are in Kiwanis and want to participate in the Reading is Fundamental program you do have to have a CORI check. Because we have gay Marriage, adults get to go behind the locked doors of Boston City Hall and attend the BAGLY “Prom” No Press. No Police. No Parents. Allowed.
“What happens if by some weird twist of fate, you get some Fred Phelps type person in charge?”
Or a mullah...
Isn’t that always the way it works with the left?
First, they beg for “tolerance” and non-judgementalism. Just let us exist in peace without harassement.
Then, eventually it gets around to using the guns of the state to make you recognize them as superior and forcing your kids to be indoctrinated into their worldview.
Big Amen to your post and to post #21
[The state has no business telling people who they can and cannot form contractual alliances with]
Sort of like the state has no business taxing citizens so the homosexual occultists sucking within its bureaucratic busson can give themselves healthcare benefits with which to pay for medications to treat the diseases rendered as the “due penalty” for their abomination of nature?
That kind of “no business”?
>>Then, eventually it gets around to...
You may not be making a lot of friends with this line of reasoning, but I believe you are doing us a service, so thank you.
Somewhere there is a very extensive website with lots of information about the gay agenda and arguments against things like gay marriage and laws prohibiting discrimination against gays. For example, there was one section that explained why the gay agenda is not a civil rights issue. The author said that civil rights refers to the rights of a group of people who possess outwardly visible differences from the rest of society. He said that being gay is nothing more than claiming a belief system, so since no one can determine what you think or believe, you can’t say that being gay makes you a minority under civil rights laws. The way he stated it was more poetic and well thought out, unlike my poor effort to explain it. Anyway, that website should also provide plenty of non-religious arguments if that’s what you want.
Brannon Howse (http://www.worldviewweekend.com) did a series of podcasts on the parallels between Hitler era Christian churches in Germany, their compromises, their apostasy,
and what we’re seeing today in the “modern” church.
One of the items was acceptance of homosexuality as “normal”. One of the first things Hitler did was remove the word “unnatural” from the laws regarding homosexuality. Though he never openly acknowledged it himself, it is widely known that homo behavior permeated most of his enforcers’ groups.
6. “Gay marriage” is icky.
How 'bout because the folks pushing Transhumanist-Postgenderist doctrine...
...are obviously, insanely, INhuman?
The same mentality that produced the Nazi Nietzschean“Ubermensch” supermen wanabes — is the very same mentality rooted in the collectivist thuggery that's pushing the Transhumanist Postgenderist agenda today.
They're “improving” the species, don't ya know?
“Though he never openly acknowledged it himself, it is widely known that homo behavior permeated most of his enforcers groups.”
AND they were the most brutal and sadistic force ever to be found anywhere. So sadistic, that hitler ordered them destroyed in Night of the Long Knives.
For now. I'm in my mid 20's and the vast amount of people I hang out with, work with and just run across in daily life who are my age or younger have no problem with gays getting married. And I don't hang out with any gays or outright libs that I am aware of.
Most people my age I know are somewhat conservative or at the very least moderate because we know we are going to get this financial mess of a country that was not our doing.
The country is turning more agnostic every day. We are becoming a mirror of Europe. Those two types would never be elected in the US.
One of Nietzsche’s tenets was that holding all men to a common morality was detrimental to the higher men. We see people today that live by this, elitist politicians in particular, that think they should not be held to the same moral accounting as the people they rule over.