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Gingrich-Santorum Would Be the First All Catholic Presidential Ticket in American History

Posted on 02/18/2012 10:05:25 AM PST by pinochet

For the first 100 years of its existence (1860 to 1960), the Republican Party was viewed as a Protestant political Party. In 1928, liberal and conservative Protestants united and campaigned against Al Smith, who was the Democratic candidate for President, because he was a Catholic. How things have changed!

The Democrats, for a long time, were the home of American Catholics. With the contraception controversy, Obama has made it clear, that practising Catholics are no longer welcome in the Democratic Party. Some Catholics were willing to vote for the pro-choice Democratic Party, in the belief that Democrats would not force the pro-choice position on the church. But they were wrong. Democrats want to shove forced contraception down the throats of American Catholics.

Ronald Reagan once said that, he did not leave the Democratic Party in 1962, but that the Democratic Party left him. Today, the Democrats have not only left American Catholics, but Obama is actually pushing the remaining Catholic Democrats out of the party.

A Gingrich-Santorum ticket would be historic, in that it would feature a cradle Catholic (Santorum) and an adult convert to Catholicism (Gingrich). I predict that this year, Republicans will receive the highest percentage of the Catholic vote, that they have ever received in their history.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Politics/Elections; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: catholic; contraception; republican
Can you believe that, before 1968, Catholics supported the Democrats with 70% to 80% majorities, just like the Jews support the Democrats today? This shows that there may be hope for Jewish voters as well, as they come to realize that Democrats are the anti-religion party.
1 posted on 02/18/2012 10:05:31 AM PST by pinochet
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To: pinochet

2 posted on 02/18/2012 10:07:19 AM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: pinochet

Romney should drop out. Gingrich and Santorum can agree that if either wins they will put the other on the ticket and choose Ron Paul for treasury secretary. LOL

The the beltway crowd would commit mass suicide.


3 posted on 02/18/2012 10:08:48 AM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: pinochet
"Gingrich-Santorum Would Be the First All Catholic Presidential Ticket in American History"

Cool.

"This shows that there may be hope for Jewish voters as well, as they come to realize that Democrats are the anti-religion party."


4 posted on 02/18/2012 10:12:34 AM PST by CainConservative (Santorum/Huck 2012 w/ Newt, Cain, Palin, Bach, Parker, Watts, Duncan, & Petraeus in the Cabinet)
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To: pinochet

Back in the early days of the campaign, I remember dealing with people who didn’t want Santorum (or Bachmann or Cain) who were saying “We don’t want a Pastor-in-Chief”. Well, I’m not Catholic. I disagree strongly with Roman Catholic teachings and practices. But I am a long-time supporter of Rick. I don’t support him because I’m Catholic. I’m not. I’m not looking for a pastor-in-chief (or bishop-in-chief). I support him because I agree with him on the issues.

I still deal with people who insist that I don’t support Romney because I am an anti-Mormon bigot. Wrong. I don’t support Romney because he is a social liberal.

I would be very happy with a Santorum/Gingrich ticket. I’ll debate Roman Catholicism, Mormonism, or whatever on the side.


5 posted on 02/18/2012 10:20:37 AM PST by Engraved-on-His-hands
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To: pinochet; nickcarraway; NYer; ELS; Pyro7480; livius; ArrogantBustard; Catholicguy; RobbyS; ...

From your lips (fingers) to God’s ears!

** predict that this year, Republicans will receive the highest percentage of the Catholic vote, that they have ever received in their history.**


6 posted on 02/18/2012 10:20:37 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: pinochet

Do we need more historic presidencies based on something outside of the President’s accomplishments?


7 posted on 02/18/2012 10:21:18 AM PST by Raider Sam (They're on our left, right, front, and back. They aint gettin away this time!)
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To: pinochet

Toss Ryan and Rubio into the mix and you get the same result, plus you have chance of winning.


8 posted on 02/18/2012 10:27:31 AM PST by Reo (the 4th Estate is a 5th Column)
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To: cripplecreek

The the beltway crowd would commit mass suicide.
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They sure would!!!


9 posted on 02/18/2012 10:29:21 AM PST by Irenic
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To: Raider Sam; pinochet

I think pinochet was just pointing out something that many may not realize......how the Catholic pendulum is swining to the right both in idealism and in liturgy.


10 posted on 02/18/2012 10:29:37 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Raider Sam

**Do we need more historic presidencies based on something outside of the President’s accomplishments?**

Do you think Obortion O met thesepresidential accomplishment requirements? <sarc


11 posted on 02/18/2012 10:31:47 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Reo

RUBIO not NBC


12 posted on 02/18/2012 10:33:14 AM PST by TNoldman (AN AMERICAN FOR A MUSLIM/BHO FREE AMERICA.)
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To: Salvation

Oops,
swining = swinging


13 posted on 02/18/2012 10:33:14 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: pinochet
I predict that this year, Republicans will receive the highest percentage of the Catholic vote, that they have ever received in their history.

That's not going to happen. Look at the states where the most Catholics live.

Catholicism versus Protestantism used to be one of the major dividing lines in US politics. It really isn't any more.

A lot of Catholics are only "culturally" or "ethnically" Catholic -- they don't go to church. Some of them go in heavily for the Kennedys, but they weren't enthusiastic about Biden or Kerry because of their religion, and they won't be enthusiastic about Santorum.

Nor are they going to be any more favorably disposed to Newt. I don't even think he really registers as a Catholic with voters. He has the problem that a lot of people who moved around a lot as a kid have in politics: he doesn't seem to be from anywhere or inspire great loyalty in any particular part of the country.

The Republican candidate who won the highest percentage of the Catholic vote was Richard Nixon, of all people, who won over 60% in 1972. Neither Gingrich nor Santorum, nor Gingrich-Santorum would top that.

14 posted on 02/18/2012 10:39:34 AM PST by x
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To: Salvation

Santorum/Ryan would be better.


15 posted on 02/18/2012 10:50:21 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Engraved-on-His-hands

Well said and straight forward.


16 posted on 02/18/2012 11:05:37 AM PST by AliVeritas (Pray. God's will be done. Abortion leaves two victims, the mother and the child.)
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To: Salvation

Well said.


17 posted on 02/18/2012 11:06:56 AM PST by AliVeritas (Pray. God's will be done. Abortion leaves two victims, the mother and the child.)
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To: Reo
Bob McDonnell is another name that is occasionally mentioned for V.P. He would help carry Virginia. He is another Catholic.

A Santorum/McDonnell ticket would have a native of Virginia who is a resident of Pennsyvlania teamed with a native of Pennsylvania who is a resident of Virginia.

McDonnell is the father of five children (including a set of twins); Santorum of course has 7 living children (and one deceased). I don't how far back you'd have to go to find a ticket whose families included 12 living children--perhaps the 19th century.

Rob Portman is another name sometimes mentioned. He is a Methodist. He is currently senator from Ohio but I don't know if he would be able to guarantee that his state went for the Republican ticket.

18 posted on 02/18/2012 11:08:27 AM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: Verginius Rufus

I’d like to see Santorum/Thad McCotter simply for the comic relief a McCotter/Biden debate would provide. The proverbial “one legged man in an ass kicking contest”.


19 posted on 02/18/2012 11:12:04 AM PST by cumbo78
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To: Salvation

** predict that this year, Republicans will receive the highest percentage of the Catholic vote, that they have ever received in their history.**

__________________________________________________________

I agree. I can also tell you that this is the second time in a few weeks that the Diocesan paper has been, not only front page, but full of of articles about this mandate.

I think the anti-freedom of religion, radical Alinksy types who are running this nation into the ground are in for a BIG surprise!


20 posted on 02/18/2012 11:18:53 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: cripplecreek

I like this deal way better that the other deal that has been cooked, according to PA GOP insiders.

According to them, hints dropped by Friess, and the buzz at CPAC, Romney and Santorum will combine their delegates for a ticket. The only thing the primaries will determine is who will be on top.

The establishment is determined to cram Romney down our throats, and Rick wants this badly enough that he will go along to get along. So much for the “not Romney” vote.


21 posted on 02/18/2012 11:25:31 AM PST by conservativejoy
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To: Verginius Rufus
"Bob McDonnell is another name that is occasionally mentioned for V.P. He would help carry Virginia."

McDonnell has come out in full support of Romney.  VERY dissapointed in McDonnell.

 

22 posted on 02/18/2012 11:29:42 AM PST by CaptainKrunch
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To: pinochet
"Gingrich-Santorum Would Be the First All Catholic Presidential Ticket in American History"

I'm no fan of Catholicism, but I can live with Capitalist Catholics.  I just can't live with the Marxist Muslim that we got right now.

 

23 posted on 02/18/2012 11:39:38 AM PST by CaptainKrunch
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Tired of the disruptions?


24 posted on 02/18/2012 12:27:41 PM PST by RedMDer (Forward With Confidence!)
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To: conservativejoy

Sorry I don’t buy the bullshit fantasy being promoted that Santorum and Romney are working together. Those who promote it are morons unworthy of further consideration or respect.


25 posted on 02/18/2012 12:40:06 PM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: cripplecreek

Don’t trust the GOP establishment. This is their Plan to get a ticket by Convention time. I wish it were a fantasy, but how many times does history have to repeat itself to prove that both party establishments are rotten to the core?
They are determined to force Romney on us, no matter what, and Santorum wants to be on the ticket badly enough to go along. This is what is being reported by GOP insiders from PA. If it plays out, it is a huge betrayal of Santorum’s supporters.

I don’t expect to change your mind, but careful with the name calling. One of the Free Republic rules is that we treat each other with respect, even when we disagree.


26 posted on 02/18/2012 1:11:20 PM PST by conservativejoy
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To: conservativejoy

We also prove our case rather than run with idiotic rumors. Considering you even have names, surely there must be a credible story to back it up.


27 posted on 02/18/2012 1:15:27 PM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: cripplecreek; conservativejoy

Thos promotion that Santorum and Romney made a deal was started by a FReeper who claimed a family member told her that. It has never been proven with anything to back it up.

I asked for proof and was ignored. Some people here are no better than Media Matters.

to conservativejoy: got that proof yet, ot is it still a rumor that you started like it was fact?


28 posted on 02/18/2012 1:22:21 PM PST by dforest
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To: dforest
I asked for proof and was ignored. Some people here are no better than Media Matters.

I've literally had that exact same thought a few times over the past few months but I've been aware of media matters and how they work for quite a while now. The exact same claim was used against virtually every candidate except Gingrich so far.
29 posted on 02/18/2012 1:27:22 PM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: cripplecreek

Just a conversation I had with a friend of 40 years whose family goes all the way back to William Penn in the state of PA. Her family knows everybody who is anybody in the GOP up there and her son has worked for several GOP campaigns in Ohio.

She was going to vote for Romney, but refuses to if he is on a ticket with Santorum. She really doesn’t like Santorum and I got an earful of all the reasons why he lost by 18 points in his last senate race.

There was also a mention of a possible combined ticket in a Greta interview with Foster Friess, one of Rick’s big money backers. He was a Romney supporter in 2008, as was Santorum. It is not like there hasn’t been a long history between Rick and Mitt. Rick came out strong for Mitt last election, but his endorsement didn’t carry much weight at that time.

I also don’t think CPAC supporters are morons for reporting the talk of a deal either. If it is being talked about on the ground, maybe we should just keep our eyes and ears open, and not automatically go into denial.


30 posted on 02/18/2012 1:31:18 PM PST by conservativejoy
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To: cripplecreek

Here is what the truth really is. There is nothing to prove this ignorant clain. Nothing at all. It was made and accepted by many around here as truth because they WANT to believe it. Yeah, right. That is why Santorum made that anti Romney ad.

Newt is squealing, rightfully so, at Romney for his untruthful PAC ads, but that does not make it okay to lie about someone else.

Santorum has never been Newt’s problem, Newt and his history is Newt’s problem. He gives opposition all they need.

I am waiting for the Gloria Allred dragging out of other bimbos that Newt has played with. So are most other people.

No thanks.


31 posted on 02/18/2012 1:42:23 PM PST by dforest
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To: dforest

By the way a few days ago it was claimed that Romney was going after Gingrich in Michigan to help Santorum. So far I haven’t seen a single ad for or against Gingrich.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2846105/posts

However the same claim has been made of the Gingrich camp but so far I’ve seen no proof of Gingrich going after Santorum either.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2846572/posts

I think the media is happily feeding rumors all around with Romney being the beneficiary.


32 posted on 02/18/2012 1:43:10 PM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: cumbo78

Thad McCotter—the “no implants” Vice President?


33 posted on 02/18/2012 1:43:29 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: cripplecreek

Yep, you got it. The beneficiary of all this unfounded BS is Mitt Romney.


34 posted on 02/18/2012 1:44:59 PM PST by dforest
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To: dforest

I was very open about what my source was and never asked any body else to trust my source. I trust them because I have known them for 40 years and consider them a close friend. Also I know they have GOP connections in PA.

I must not have seen your post before, wasn’t ignoring you.

I don’t have to prove anything, but it might be wise to pay attention and see what develops. I don’t like deception and I don’t trust the establishment of either party. I think it would be a major betrayal of Santorum’s supporters, even though I unapoligetically support Newt. I hate strong arm dirty politics that are cut out the voters voice and make it irrelevant.


35 posted on 02/18/2012 1:46:21 PM PST by conservativejoy
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To: CaptainKrunch

If the Republican ticket turned out to be two pro-capitalist Catholics, that might cause Obama to drop Biden as his running mate and replace him with Keith Ellison of Minnesota—the Congressman who took his oath of office on Jefferson’s copy of the Koran.


36 posted on 02/18/2012 1:48:46 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: conservativejoy
Who are the Pennsylvania insiders you keep referring to?

I have a good friend who is a sometimes insider here in Michigan. I emailed him your post. He's not full establishment, but knows a lot of the important people. He hasn't heard anything about that and started laughing. He says the insiders there would prefer Santorum drop out because Romney can beat Newt and he's their guy. His response is as follows, and I agree with most of it.

"""Mac, Tell Conservativejoy, that this is the first I've heard of this. While there's some concern with Romney, he's still their man largely because of his money. Romney can raise money, and that's number one to them. Romney and Santorum have no alliance, and in fact their consultants have been at war for 15 years going back to the 1998 state convention. Sterling Corp v Yob. Chuck Yob's with Santorum and Sterling has been with Romney for the last two elections. Yob was a McCain guy in 08. Sterling and Yob don't team up. Period. While Mitt Romney hasn't been in Michigan, much of his campaign crew is Michigan based. I think this PA insider is saying those things so Newt and Santorum supporters beat up each other and help Romney by default. Full disclosure, I'm also supporting Santorum."

37 posted on 02/18/2012 1:52:47 PM PST by Darren McCarty (Rick Santorum in the primary)
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To: conservativejoy; cripplecreek

You want to talk wisdom? Wisdom means that you would have waited to know the truth before you spread a rumor with no proof.

A wise person would not want to be responsible for spreading a falsity that they cannot prove. Yet, your rumor has spread on here as fact instead of what it is, hearsay.

Don’t tell me to wait and see, The onus is on you to prove your rumor as truth instead of asking others to give your gossip, which is what it is, any credence.

Gossip is an ugly thing.


38 posted on 02/18/2012 1:54:04 PM PST by dforest
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To: dforest

Yes, gossip is an ugly thing, and so is falsely accusing people.

Time will tell whether this devleops or not. I certainly won’t be gloating if such a thing happens. It will be a disaster that will dishearten everybody and give Obama 4 more years to finish off this country.

One thing puzzles me though, if you are so sure this is nothing but a rumor, why are you so upset? Do you think other people on FR are not as capable of weighing information as you? No one has been mislead, and I have not seen any post where this has been reported as anything other than information shared by a friend in PA.

Hopefully, if Santorum continues to rise in the polls, he won’t be in situation desperate enough to take a deal. I would rather have Newt, but as long as Romney is not on the ticket, Santorum would be better than Obama.

I just don’t know if we can weather 4 years of mediocrity, but at least he is not someone who would intentionally destroy our country. That is about as enthusiastic as I can get in support for someone who has Pornography listed as the number#1 issue on his website.


39 posted on 02/18/2012 2:17:12 PM PST by conservativejoy
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To: conservativejoy; Jim Robinson
I will vote for whoever the nominee is. I also will weigh lies against the truth.

If Romney is lying about Newt, I will say Romney is lying. But you see, we can prove that lie.

What you did was spread something that even you cannot prove as a fact as though it was a fact. I have seen many posting that they absolutely believed what you said. They even pinged JR.

What you said may be proven true, or it may be false, but before we say it and spread it as fact, we need some proof.

I do appreciate the fact that you disclosed who you prefer. That was truthful.

I also added JR to this because I mentioned him. A courtesy.

40 posted on 02/18/2012 2:28:18 PM PST by dforest
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So, you are saying that no one has the right to share information, even when they give their source, for others to examine and check into for themselves? The conversation I had was a fact. I think people need to be aware and alert, not blindsided.

The reason that you are so angry is that the possibility that this is a back room deal scares you. I don’t blame you for that. But if you really thought this was as preposterous as you claim, me thinks thou doest protest too much.


41 posted on 02/18/2012 2:42:02 PM PST by conservativejoy
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To: conservativejoy; JR

Sorry, your source is not credible unless they are willing to attach their name to it.

That would be like me saying I know a guy in the GOP in my state who told me the dems have a lot of women willing to come out against Newt. I know this because I have sources.

Would you try to pass that off as credible? Sounds like a Politico hit piece. Don’t you agree?

Put some names to your claim and prove it. How hard is that?


42 posted on 02/18/2012 2:50:09 PM PST by dforest
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To: Darren McCarty

My understanding is that the ones driving it are the GOP E. I don’t think they were particularly interest in asking whether the candidates were on board. What I was told is that they were confident this deal could be reached, because they don’t believe either Santorum or Romney will have the delegates to win the nomination without a combined ticket. They do not want a divided convention.

If things keep going the way they are, they may pull the rug out from under Romney, and that would be a very good thing.

Full disclosure, I am a Newt supporter and my friend who told me this was going to vote for Romney. She said, she would not vote for Romney if Santorum is on the ticket. Just local bad blood against Santorum in PA.


43 posted on 02/18/2012 2:52:08 PM PST by conservativejoy
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To: dforest

My friend has enough on her plate taking care of her husband who is gravely ill. I am not going to put her in the sights of anyone who is going to bombard her with the the hysterical visciousness that you like to dish out.

How would adding names to this convince you? It wouldn’t.
I reject information on the MSM all the time. Sometimes they give sources, sometimes they don’t. That is why we have to think for ourselves.

Just let this play out and we will all hope for the best.


44 posted on 02/18/2012 3:02:07 PM PST by conservativejoy
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To: conservativejoy
I am very sorry for illness in her family. My 83 year old mother is in the hospital here in Indy very ill. So I understand the agony.

I doled out no viciousness to you. I merely asked you to prove a rumour you have been spreading. I do not consider that being vicious.

When people make a claim and spread it as fact, they should always be prepared to back it up. If you cannot, you should weigh carefully what you are doing.

I hope our side can be honest, unlike the other side. Wouldn't you agree?

45 posted on 02/18/2012 3:17:01 PM PST by dforest
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To: dforest

For the love of Pete, you keep falsely saying that I spread this as fact. I gave a complete detailed account of how I came by this information. Why are you so afraid to let people have information and decide for themselves whether they deem it valid?

Are you qualified to be the filter of what most of us consider free speech?

Thank goodness you are not representative of all Santorum supporters.


46 posted on 02/18/2012 3:29:18 PM PST by conservativejoy
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To: conservativejoy

LOL, I would say the same about you as a Newt supporter. I am glad they all don’t spread unfounded rumors like Mitt Romney does.

Okay, enough.


47 posted on 02/18/2012 3:51:14 PM PST by dforest
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To: pinochet

There are at present 6 Catholic justices on SCOTUS, including all five conservatives.


48 posted on 02/18/2012 4:32:06 PM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (DRAFT PALIN)
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To: Salvation

Two white guys? Recipe for election failure as the Obama Propaganda Ministry, i.e., the MSM, would play the two white guys song 24/7.

There needs to be a woman or a minority on the ticket.


49 posted on 02/18/2012 4:46:18 PM PST by Bigg Red (Pray for our republic.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

My recent thoughts have been along those lines.


50 posted on 02/20/2012 12:11:05 AM PST by Lauren BaRecall (I declare for Santorum)
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