Obama Eligibility Hearing in Arizona tomorrow

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[jdirt]

Please attend hearing if you can.

[Harlan1196]

Yet it is certain that more judges will come to the same conclusion. Apart from Leo I don’t see much grumbling on the legal blogs. It is almost as if Ankeny was not a controversial decision.

[W. W. SMITH]

B: In at least three cases the supreme court defined “natural born citizen as born on US soil with both parents US citizens.

D: Student visa does not equal legal resident alien.

E: Being a dual citizen is not illegal. Being president and dual citizen is a no-no.

[PA-RIVER]

Just a question. If the next dual citizen who runs for president has an American BC and a passport from his father’s home country, and notches on his rifle for Americans killed in action while fighting against us, like an Alawaki type. Would a judge call him an NBC?

[Harlan1196]

B: Only birthers believe that. Ankeny reflects the accepted view of NBC in the American legal system.

D: True. Also irreverent. If he was born in America then he is NBC.

E: There is no case law that supports your theory.

[patton]

“Your cart is in front of your horse.
“

Never happen.

[Harlan1196]

Under section 349 of.the Immigration and Nationality Act he would most likely lose his American citizenship. Either taking arms against America or an act of treason - either one would work.

[philman_36]

@Mr Rogers and his Epic Fail

[philman_36]

You've still got @unanswered questions.
Legally he is a natural born citizen. We are a country of laws and the law is pretty clear on the matter regardless of what birther web sites tell you.
Which law? Is it a positive law or a Constitutional law that does so?

Will you fair any better at answering them today?

[philman_36]

Never happen.
What will never happen?

[philman_36]

@James Madison, House of Representatives 22 May 1789I think there is a distinction which will invalidate his doctrine in this particular, a distinction between that primary allegiance which we owe to that particular society of which we are members, and the secondary allegiance we owe to the sovereign established by that society. This distinction will be illustrated by the doctrine established by the laws of Great Britain, which were the laws of this country before the revolution. The sovereign cannot make a citizen by any act of his own; he can confer denizenship, but this does not make a man either a citizen or subject. In order to make a citizen or subject, it is established, that allegiance shall first be due to the whole nation; it is necessary that a national act should pass to admit an individual member. In order to become a member of the British empire, where birth has now endowed the person with that privilege, he must be naturalized by an act of parliament.

And just a bit further down...

What was the allegiance as a citizen of South-Carolina, he owed to the King of Great Britain? He owed his allegiance to him as a King of that society to which, as a society he owed his primary allegiance. When that society separated from Great Britain, he was bound by that act and his allegiance transferred to that society, or the sovereign which that society should set up, because it was through his membership of the society of South-Carolina, that he owed allegiance to Great Britain.

Let me know if you need help figuring this part out...

...it is established, that allegiance shall first be due to the whole nation...

[philman_36]

Ankeny reflects the accepted view of NBC in the American legal system.
Does a SCOTUS case have greater precedence over a State appeal case?

[Harlan1196]

The core of Ankeny is WKA. But you knew that.

And yes - I know that birthers interpret WKA differently than Ankeny.

Scalia understands WKA:

From Scalia’s concurrence in Miller v. Albright:

The Constitution “contemplates two sources of citizenship, and two only: birth and naturalization.” United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649, 702 (1898).

Considering the lack of success birthers have had at the Supreme Court, I wouldn’t be counting on them to agree with you.

[philman_36]

Nothing you wrote answers my question.

I'll try again.
Does a SCOTUS case have greater precedence over a State appeal case?

[philman_36]

Legally he is a natural born citizen. We are a country of laws and the law is pretty clear on the matter regardless of what birther web sites tell you.
Which law? Is it a positive law or a Constitutional law that does so?

[Tau Food]

Whatever became of that blonde lawyer lady who was so knowledgeable about these issues? The media seems to have blotted her out of existence.

[philman_36]

All I've got...@Online Court Calendar Enter Case # C20121046

Thursday, February 23, 2012
Case‎:‎ C20121046
Judge‎:‎ GORDON, RICHARD E.
Time‎; 9:00 AM
Defendant: DEMOCRATIC PARTY
Defendant: NELSON, BRAD R
Defendant: OBAMA, BARACK
Plaintiff: ALLEN, KENNETH

Haven't heard a thing all day.

[Harlan1196]

“It is an established maxim that birth is a criterion of allegiance. Birth however derives its force sometimes from place and sometimes from parentage, but in general place is the most certain criterion; it is what applies in the United States; it will therefore be unnecessary to investigate any other.”

“it is what applies in the United States” Looks like Madison supports jus soli.

You have shown that Madison thought Mr Smith was a citizen because he was born in America. Sounds good to me.

More importantly, it is line with how the courts will rule on Obama. Read WKA and Ankeny if the details are uncertain to you.

[PA-RIVER]

So natural born citizenship can be lost?

Would he not still be an NBC?

It simply means “born on US soil”, per Obama rules.

How can you take that away from Alawaki? No matter what he does, he's qualified. Right? He will always be born on US soil.

Maybe that's why Obama didn't strip him of US citizenship. Yet he is still a dual citizen like Obama.

If Obama commits an act that appears to be treason in America, yet heroic in Kenya or Indonesia, is it really treason?

[philman_36]

@Search engines are your friend. Ignorance isn't your friend.