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To: darrellmaurina; metmom; boatbums; CynicalBear
That may say a great deal about how evangelicals have come to understand that we have no choice but to make common cause with Roman Catholics if we're going to win the culture war.

Well as an evangelical I do not agree nor would I ever come together as a "common cause" under the 'leadership' of the Catholic church.

The intent to have the visible church look and act united ignores the fact that all born-again Christians are already one....already united...and The true “body of Christ” the church.

So as individuals we can easily come together with other individuals as a people, and for whatever cause even those unaffiliated with any church who care to join the "cause"....and this without "uniting " a show of hands for the catholic church.

Besides it's always best to be very cautious when catholics attempt to do what they have for centuries..and that is to bring those of other faiths under the catholic leadership...which currently is sleeping with the Globalists attempting to "unite" religions into one "common cause"...that of a one world entity overseeing all religions.

56 posted on 02/23/2012 12:48:43 PM PST by caww
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To: caww

Making common cause literally doesn’t mean under the leadership of the Catholics. Provided, of course, evangelicals have leaders of their own. That, I fear, is the problem. You are so afraid of Rome that you default to others who also fear Rome, but are very definitely your enemies as well. Ah, the sweet bitterness of division. I am reminded of the 4th Crusade where Catholics wrecked the Byzantine Empire that was the citadel against the Turks. Embittering the Greeks to the point where they refused to join us Latins in common cause against the Ottomans and so fell under the domination of Muslims who then marched on to threaten the very existence of Christian Europe. A Europe than further divided by wars between Catholics and Protestants. Yes, we do learn do we NOT!


57 posted on 02/23/2012 1:35:49 PM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: caww; RobbyS
I'm typing this while sitting at the clerk's desk of the local circuit court reviewing case records, so I don't have time to say much.

I do want to say that I am strongly opposed to the ecumenical movement. I've spent much of my adult life fighting church battles against liberalism, and I covered the Cambridge Declaration conference fighting against Chuck Colson’s “Evangelicals and Catholics Together” statement.

When I speak of cooperating with Roman Catholics, it is only and exclusively in the sphere of the civil magistrate. I affirm what Heidelberg Catechism Q&A 80 says about the Roman Catholic Mass. I assume that Rick Santorum affirms what the Council of Trent says about my Reformed theology.

Reformed Christians dating back to Abraham Kuyper have believed cooperation with Roman Catholics in the sphere of the civil magistrate is acceptable. In no way whatsoever do I support cooperation with Roman Catholics in ecclesiastical activities — and a consistent conservative Catholic will say the same to me.

Got to go... just don't want to leave the impression I am a closet ecumenist.

58 posted on 02/23/2012 1:58:28 PM PST by darrellmaurina
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To: caww

One “common cause” ey? I agree with you caww. Extreme caution is required when “religions” want to come together.


60 posted on 02/23/2012 2:11:32 PM PST by CynicalBear
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