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I would rather these people have to pay for their own health insurance so they go to a regular doctor then to go to the much more expensive E.R. and stick us taxpayers with the bill.

The government has no power to force an illegal immigrant to buy insurance. This illegal will still go to the ER, and the ER will treat him just the same.

Lots of other people, not illegals, are getting government assistance. That assistance is less than the premiums that Obamacare is about to saddle us all with. These people will not be paying anything (they legally can't.) This means that not working (or working unofficially) just became even more profitable.

Lots of other people do not want insurance. Insurance is needed only when you cannot afford something. If you can, you are better off self-insuring. Majority of large businesses are self-insured, and anyone who is "sufficiently" wealthy can also do the same. Insurance companies are working for profit. You can become your own insurance company and keep the profit. If you have a $100K in liquid assets you may be already good to go this way. If you need more, chances are it's not treatable anyway, and you will do better if you just use the money in a more worthy way. There are also groups of people (some are church-based, other are not) that do the same within the group; this allows you to join with zero capital and invest as you go. In essence, that is a commune-based, not for profit insurance company.

And, of course, requiring anyone to buy a commercial product is completely insane from every point of view. Such a mandate is deeply offensive and has no place in a free society. A free man cannot be forced to pay just because he is alive.

The government has no power to force an illegal immigrant to buy insurance. This illegal will still go to the ER, and the ER will treat him just the same.

Illegals are an entire different story and discussion - treat true emergencies only, then deport them all.

Lots of other people do not want insurance. Insurance is needed only when you cannot afford something. If you can, you are better off self-insuring. Majority of large businesses are self-insured, and anyone who is "sufficiently" wealthy can also do the same. Insurance companies are working for profit. You can become your own insurance company and keep the profit. If you have a $100K in liquid assets you may be already good to go this way. If you need more, chances are it's not treatable anyway, and you will do better if you just use the money in a more worthy way. There are also groups of people (some are church-based, other are not) that do the same within the group; this allows you to join with zero capital and invest as you go. In essence, that is a commune-based, not for profit insurance company

I have no problem with the self-insured, individuals or groups.But they have to show they are sufficiently capitalized. Don't expect anyone to bail you out if you run out of $$. Your group needs to take up the slack.

And, of course, requiring anyone to buy a commercial product is completely insane from every point of view. Such a mandate is deeply offensive and has no place in a free society.

So how do you feel about car insurance? Should we allow any yahoo to run around without liability insurance? Do you really want to pay the vastly increased premiums on YOUR policy because of them?

Obamacare will add 18 million to the Medicaid rolls, which already has 60 million covered. So the taxpayer will be stuck with the bill. And only 50% of the people pay income taxes.

40% of doctors don't accept Medicaid patients now and 12% don't accept Medicare patients. We are going to have greater coverage and less access under Obamacare along with higher health insurance prices. The idea is to kill off the private insurers and go to a single payer system like Medicare. That was the objective of Obamacare all along.