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Australian Ethicists Argue the Right to Kill Babies After They’re Born
Faith Issues | 3/1/2012 | Faith Issues

Posted on 03/02/2012 6:45:18 PM PST by sreastman

Australian Ethicists Argue the Right to Kill Babies After They’re Born

Liberty Counsel

An article entitled “After-birth abortion: Why should the baby live?” was recently published in the London-based "Journal of Medical Ethics," advocating that if abortion is allowed, then society also has the right to kill a newborn child. This outrageous deduction by Alberto Giubilini and Francesca Minerva takes abortion to its logical conclusion.

The abstract states: “By showing that (1) both fetuses and newborns do not have the same moral status as actual persons, (2) the fact that both are potential persons is morally irrelevant and (3) adoption is not always in the best interest of actual people, the authors argue that what we call ‘after-birth abortion’ (killing a newborn) should be permissible in all the cases where abortion is, including cases where the newborn is not disabled.”

The authors are willing to admit that handicapped children are able to live happy lives but then advocate that, because of their burden on the rest of the family, the children should be able to be killed. If the test for one’s life continuing was based on not burdening someone else, everyone’s life would fail at one point or another. The question then becomes how burdensome must you be to merit your murder?

It is revolting to consider, and even more so to advocate for, the right to kill a perfectly formed, helpless newborn baby. This shocking position should stir a second look at legalized abortion. If our society is unwilling to accept the right to kill newborns, and even older children, why do we allow the murder of the unborn? The destruction of another human being - regardless of his age, his size, or his ability - should never be allowed.

Mathew Staver, Founder and Chairman of Liberty Counsel, commented: “Abortion opens the door to infanticide. If you can kill a child in the womb, even up to the moment before birth, then there is no logical reason to protect life after birth. A human being begins at the moment of conception and should be afforded legal protection at all stages of life. This is the only logically defensible position. It is shocking to see people advocating killing children after they are born. It is just as shocking to see people advocating killing them before they are born.”

© 2012 Liberty Counsel

You may contact Alberto Giubilini and Francesa Minerva by email to discuss their "findings":

Alberto.Giubilini@monash.edu, francesca.minerva@unimelb.edu.au


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: afterbirthabortion

1 posted on 03/02/2012 6:45:24 PM PST by sreastman
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To: sreastman

“Australian Ethicists Argue the Right to Kill Babies After They’re Born”

In related news, Americans Argue the Right to Kill Australian Ethicists After They’re Born. Film at 11:00.


2 posted on 03/02/2012 6:49:07 PM PST by FerociousRabbit
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To: sreastman

These are not ethicists, They are murdering sons of bitch’s.


3 posted on 03/02/2012 6:49:44 PM PST by Venturer
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To: FerociousRabbit

By advocating the murder of newborns, they give up the right to be regarded as “persons” and we can perform 180th trimester abortions on these promoters of baby butchery.


4 posted on 03/02/2012 6:51:32 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Venturer

I can only horrifically imagine what type of monsters would have to be in this business.

Especially the women babykillers.

Neo-Feminists?


5 posted on 03/02/2012 6:54:40 PM PST by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: Secret Agent Man

I agree. I have always been an opponent of capital punishment except in really egregious circumstances. There are a few crimes which cry out for the blood of the perpetrator.

Saying it is OK to murder babies is so far beyond the pale that they should not be allowed to live on this earth.


6 posted on 03/02/2012 6:56:16 PM PST by yarddog
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To: sreastman

First you cheapen the value of life a little bit, then a little bit more, then a little bit more, then you cheapen life from the other end of the spectrum, then a little more, then a little more, and then you are in the Fourth Reich.

These aren’t ethicists, they are Nazis. Human beings are evil.


7 posted on 03/02/2012 6:56:43 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: yarddog

I just really equate it to more of an “OK, you first” kind of view on that sort of proposal.


8 posted on 03/02/2012 7:08:18 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: yarddog

For example, we should hound Peter Singer as to why he hasn’t killed himself to make room for others? He’s surely lived long enough. He has a huge carbon footprint to answer for.


9 posted on 03/02/2012 7:10:06 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: sreastman
These guys are at least being intellectually honest about their positions on infanticide, whether it be in utero or postpartum.

In a way they are helping expose the horror of abortion for what it really is, which doesn't help the pro-choice murder argument, IMHO.

10 posted on 03/02/2012 7:12:00 PM PST by Disambiguator
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To: sreastman
Abortion of late term fetuses. Partial birth abortion. Abortion of Down's Syndrome babies. Selective abortion of multips. Abortion based upon gender of the baby.

Assisted suicide. Euthanasia - as in the Netherlands. Infanticide in China. And now, so-called medical "ethicists" argue for a right to dispatch post-partum babies on the basis they are not "actual persons."

It really is a Culture of Death. It won't be long before the retarded, the aged and infirm, those who it is inconvenient or expensive to keep alive, and eventually, those who don't share the prevailing beliefs of society are fair game. They are all, as Hitler said, "useless feeders."

It's time for a return to the mores of an earlier generation - founded upon love for one another, altruism and sacrifice, and the sacredness of human life. Foreign concepts in today's milieu. Sad indeed for us and our children.



Nos genuflectitur ad non princeps sed Princeps Pacem!

Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. (Isaiah 49:1 KJV)

11 posted on 03/02/2012 7:14:49 PM PST by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Michael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: sreastman

The far left totally agrees, believe me. They’ll get around to it sooner or later.


12 posted on 03/02/2012 7:15:36 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Secret Agent Man
When his mother was diagnosed with Alzheimer's, he gave her live-in nursing care. Of course, charges of hypocrisy were tossed his way - in a gentle and affirming way from the MSM. He said he would have to rethink some of his ideas because it was a different matter when it was somebody close.

No sh*t, Sherlock.

One day, he'll probably be getting the needle when his faculties start to fail and he's no longer an effective useful idiot. I'm sure he'll want to reflect on euthanasia again - fortunately, he'll have all of eternity to do just that.

13 posted on 03/02/2012 7:16:27 PM PST by WorkingClassFilth (I'm for Churchill in 1940!)
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14 posted on 03/02/2012 7:16:51 PM PST by narses
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To: sreastman

So THAT’S where all those Nazis went...


15 posted on 03/02/2012 7:24:51 PM PST by Chainmail
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To: sreastman

I can’t help but think these folks are roasting abortion supporters for lunch.

Showing the absurdity of killing living beings couldn’t be done in a much more effective way.


16 posted on 03/02/2012 7:32:18 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Abortion? No. Gov't heath care? No. Gore on warming? No. McCain on immigration? No.)
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To: sreastman

Chilling. Murderers calling themselves ethicist.

We must need an ethicist pogrom to improve our ethics.


17 posted on 03/02/2012 7:36:04 PM PST by FlyingEagle
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To: sreastman

This is where we are being led as a society. Those who oppose this idea are being called “fanatics opposed to the very values of a liberal society”. Is it only a coincidence that this subject is brought up now?


18 posted on 03/02/2012 7:47:30 PM PST by Dapper 26
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To: sreastman

Might want to take a look at this which I posted in another thread. Seems on topic:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2840706/posts?page=20#20


19 posted on 03/02/2012 7:57:42 PM PST by No One Special
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To: sreastman; zot; Interesting Times

Ah the morality of those who pray at the idol of ‘reason alone’ and who think that man is inherently good as he is because he is. And reject that Judeo-Christian faith and teachings has had any affect on how men treat each other.

I guess morality that secular humanists and athiests believe in came out of the swamp with man.


20 posted on 03/02/2012 8:01:23 PM PST by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: sreastman
The abortion issue here in the U.S. is flat out sickening. Why in the Hell this country has continued to murder the unborn is beyond me.

This country is in for a serious judgement. My litmus test with people: You Think Abortion Is OK?, Then you are not my friend. I don't want to associate with you, I don't want to hear why you think it's OK, I don't give a damn whatever else you think. I despise you. And frankly, I wish we'd just split the country right down the middle, all liberal scum sucking abortionist, environmentalist, entitlement lowlifes can have one half, those of us that value human life over the "environment" and fear God, and want the best for our children and grandchildren, those of us who work for a living, those of us who refuse to SUCK THE GOVERNMENT TIT can have the other half.

21 posted on 03/02/2012 8:19:28 PM PST by gettinolder (Smashed lips save ships.)
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To: GreyFriar
I guess morality that secular humanists and atheists believe in came out of the swamp with man.

Yes, it did, and it is leading man back into the swamp.

22 posted on 03/02/2012 9:05:09 PM PST by zot
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To: sreastman

Logical step when you’ve devalued life for 40 years.


23 posted on 03/02/2012 10:44:37 PM PST by mykroar (Ray: "You drank too much."...Archer: "That's a thing?!?")
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To: treetopsandroofs

Some people become Doctors to help people. To cure them from their ills to try to comfort the sick and aid them in recovery,

Others are in it for the $Buck$.


24 posted on 03/03/2012 4:46:17 AM PST by Venturer
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To: sreastman

Abortion for convenience not only leads to infanticide, it leads to being able to kill any person for convenience. Those old, useless people at the nursing home. Just a drain on people’s incomes. Do away with all of them. Get rid of them. Hitler would have strongly approved of the “ethicists” i.e. moral ciphers quoted in this article.


25 posted on 03/03/2012 6:51:59 AM PST by driftless2
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