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Alan Korwin has been the leading advocate to emphasize the 911 risk for prosecution.

I think that he found that 75% of defensive gun use prosecutions came from information on the 911 call.

1 posted on 03/07/2012 5:46:41 AM PST by marktwain
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All good advice and what I was taught in ccw class.


2 posted on 03/07/2012 5:53:49 AM PST by albionin
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When the police arrive,tell them that you are having trouble breathing.They will have to send you to the hospital,your lawyer can meet you there.


3 posted on 03/07/2012 5:55:31 AM PST by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: marktwain; waterhill; ixtl
Again, it’s not just what you say, but how you say it. If you start swearing, laughing (even nervously) or go for some Clint Eastwood-like line before pulling the trigger, that will NOT work out well for you.

So I guess quoting Samuel Jackson from Pulp Fiction wouldn't be a good idea? /s

I think hanging up after the basic information is relayed is probably best, unless it is a fluid situation.

Good info. Thanks for posting.

4 posted on 03/07/2012 5:56:30 AM PST by Envisioning ( Call me a racist................, one more time......................)
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To: marktwain

Very good advice


5 posted on 03/07/2012 5:57:05 AM PST by Oshkalaboomboom
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Don’t be fooled by 911 operators’ good intentions (which are beyond doubt). They are not trying to get you into trouble.

We (former 911) are trained to keep folks on the phone .... primarily to be a liason with the officers responding to the scene so they have some idea of what is going on & where, especially if the situation is going on in a house or building & the police have to make entry. While it is good legal advice to hang up the phone, just be aware that the police are now 'blind', with no source of information as to what is going on and they will be taking measures to protect themselves .... you have a gun, be very careful to identify yourself, make sure they know where the gun is, follow their directions exactly, and don't be surprised if you are secured, searched, & treated like an 'unfriendly' etc. until they have the scene sorted out.

7 posted on 03/07/2012 6:00:34 AM PST by MissMagnolia (Being powerful is like being a lady. If you have to tell people you are, you aren't. (M.Thatcher))
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To: marktwain

Excellent post, thank you.


8 posted on 03/07/2012 6:02:26 AM PST by SueRae (Tale of 2 Towers - First, Isengaard (GOP-e), then, the Tower of Sauron on 11.06.2012)
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Never talk to the police without your attorney present. What you say, and what they say you said, are rarely the same thing.


9 posted on 03/07/2012 6:02:58 AM PST by jdub (A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government.)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts; CaptainAmiigaf

ping


11 posted on 03/07/2012 6:11:13 AM PST by Mrs. B.S. Roberts
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So something like “You gotta ask yourself a question: ‘Do I feel lucky?’ Well, do ya, punk?” would earn the ire of a DA?


13 posted on 03/07/2012 6:20:46 AM PST by NRA1995 (I'll cling to my religion and guns till they're pried from my cold dead fingers!)
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From yesterday...
 
Woman to 911 operator: 'I just shot him' (NC)
wcnc.com ^ | 5 March, 2012 | Staff

Posted on Tuesday, March 06, 2012 10:49:06 AM by marktwain

GASTONIA, N.C. -- Police released the 911 call after a Gaston County woman shot and killed an intruder during a home invasion early Saturday morning.

Kenneth James Cox, 28, broke into a woman’s home in the 4700 block of Chapel Grove Road in Gastonia shortly after 1 a.m., according to the Gaston County Police Department.

Police say Cox and a woman at the home confronted each other the break-in, and the woman shot Cox.

"I'm in my room with the gun pointed at the door," the woman told a 911 operator.

"I just shot him. He tried coming into my bedroom," she said, just moments later.

The woman was not injured, and Cox was pronounced dead on the scene.

"At this time it does not appear that Cox and the female knew each other,” a police report states.

No charges against the woman have been filed, and the case is still under investigation. Read below for the entire 911 call.

TRANSCRIPT

Dispatcher: Gaston County 911...

Caller: Someone is trying to get in my house.

Dispatcher: What is your address?

Caller: 4700 block of Chapel Grove Road

Dispatcher: Do you know who it is, ma'am?

Caller: Why no I don't. It's 1:15 in the morning.

Dispatcher: Did they say anything?

Caller: They're trying to get into my house. I have a gun...I'm in fear of my life.

Dispatcher: Stay on the phone with me ma'am until we send someone there, OK?

Dispatcher: Calm down, where are you in the house?

Caller: I'm in my bedroom.

Dispatcher: Did they say anything or do you just hear them trying to get in?

Caller: No they're just trying to get in. They're almost in my house.

Dispatcher: And you don't know who it is?

Caller: No, no I don't.

Caller: Sounds like they're in the house.

Dispatcher: Just stay on the phone with me. Help is on the way.

Dispatcher: What's going on now?

Caller: I don't know, I'm not out in my house. I'm in my room with the gun pointed at the door.

Dispatcher: OK, did you hearing anything in your house, besides you?

Caller: No, not from what I can tell.

Dispatcher: Is this a one or two level house?

Caller: One.

Caller: I can hear who ever is outside.

Dispatcher: So they're not in the house?

Caller: No.

Dispatcher: OK, hold a minute. They're on the way.

Dispatcher: Have you heard anything else?

Caller: They just busted my glass out. They're coming into my house.

Dispatcher: Just stay inside. Do you have your bedroom door locked?

Caller: Yes.

Dispatcher: Ma'am...ma'am...ma'am.

Caller: What?

Dispatcher: OK, you said someone is in the house?

Caller: Yeah.

Dispatcher: Hello?

Caller: I just shot him. He tried coming into my bedroom.

Dispatcher: You did what? Did you shoot him?

Caller: Yes.

Dispatcher: You said you shot him?

Caller: Yes, hurry up.

Dispatcher: They're on their way.

Dispatcher: You have no idea who it is?

Caller: No I don't.

Dispatcher: Ma'am did you shoot again?

Caller: Yes, he's coming at me.

Caller to intruder: Get out of here.

Dispatcher: Ma'am, how many times have you shot him?

Dispatcher: Ma'am, if you can hear me the police are outside, go outside...


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While the woman was justified, she might have avoided shooting if she had yelled at him that the police were on their way, and that she had a gun.
1 posted on Tuesday, March 06, 2012 10:49:12 AM by marktwain

 
 
 
 
 
 
Mark, did you ever back off that horrible comment #1?


16 posted on 03/07/2012 6:32:43 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This mean Liberals and/or Libertarians (Same Thing) NO LIBS.))
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The former is the best strategy if the DGU is done.

Why does this guy explain the meaning of STFU, but not DGU?

What is a DGU?

I googled and came up with a Korean university and an airport in Africa.

17 posted on 03/07/2012 6:32:49 AM PST by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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“I was in fear for my life.”

Repeat as often as necessary until you lawyer up.


21 posted on 03/07/2012 6:43:01 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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If someone is breaking into or already entered your home at 1:15 AM, you shoot the intruder.


22 posted on 03/07/2012 6:43:36 AM PST by Boonie
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There are different opinions on this. The lawyer who gave our CCW class advised the following:

State the information required for the police and ambulance to arrive.

If anyone is hurt, let them know that you need an ambulance

Make the statement that you are scared that (he might get back up, come after you again, etc)

Say that others may have been hurt and you need to go check on the others and put the phone down without hanging up.

When the police sirens or lights arrive, start hyperventilating. When the Police approach you, point out any material items such as weapons broken glass, etc. Do talk about how scared you were and say that you need to go to the hospital because your chest hurts and you feel faint.

At the hospital, call your lawyer

DO NOT:
Talk about time, cause or any details


24 posted on 03/07/2012 6:46:42 AM PST by taxcontrol
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26 posted on 03/07/2012 6:52:18 AM PST by loungitude (The truth hurts.)
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28 posted on 03/07/2012 6:56:10 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (Simple: Kill the terrorists, Protect (all) the borders, ridicule all the (surviving) Liberals :^)
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I would add to 911 "I'm the short red-headed guy with the beard (or whatever), please relay my description so I don't get shot by mistake".

Also, good talk by attorney on youtube Don't talk to police about what to do if you've had to defend yourself.

29 posted on 03/07/2012 6:56:27 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell)
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This directly contradicts the American Rifleman DVD series on home defense, which tells you to narrate the entire encounter into your phone throughout the entire episode so the 911 operators can record the entire event.


34 posted on 03/07/2012 7:11:56 AM PST by pabianice (")
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Police are govt employees w/ guns and necessarily lowest common denominator types. The best practice always is to know your rights and keep your mouth shut. If your ‘lack of cooperation’ results in arrest then so be it. The alternative is to talk to much and have that used against you in court. The police is NEVER your friend. If you violate that precept youll wind up regretting it always.


36 posted on 03/07/2012 7:20:56 AM PST by 556x45
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DO NOT GO BEYOND THE MEANS NECESSARY TO DEFEND YOURSELF OR YOUR FAMILY.
I.E. If you shoot an intruder and he falls down and is incapacitated, and no longer a threat don't shoot him again.
If you punch an intruder and knock him out don't go over and stomp on him. If he gets up that's another story. - Tom
38 posted on 03/07/2012 7:30:05 AM PST by Capt. Tom
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