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Marine's daughters held 13 hours after he was shot, attorney says
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com ^ | 3/7/2012 | http://latimesblogs.latimes.com

Posted on 03/07/2012 8:01:16 PM PST by dragnet2

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To: dragnet2

Do you live in Orange county?

Work with a local politician and create a citizen’s committee to investigate it.

Citizens need to stop being passive and start being active in the governance of their communities.


41 posted on 03/08/2012 8:09:38 AM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: LevinFan

Sheriffs are elected officials.

They have to answer to the citizens, if the citizens are faithful enough to do their duty for self governance. Elections have consequences.


42 posted on 03/08/2012 8:12:34 AM PST by hedgetrimmer
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13 hours away from their mom in that situation should get someone fired.


43 posted on 03/08/2012 8:48:08 AM PST by BigEdLB (Now there ARE 1,000,000 regrets - but it may be too late.)
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To: dragnet2

We know the deputy.
He’s a good guy -


44 posted on 03/08/2012 9:31:39 AM PST by porter_knorr
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To: dragnet2
covered up” is absurd.

It is?

It's already been established the OCSD has already changed it's version of events multiple times.

Now we find out the young girls were interrogated for about 13 hours, after witnessing their unarmed father being shot to death.

You now pop up suggesting cover-ups, tampering with evidence, witnesses, omitting evidence and lying on investigative reports does not exist in government and law enforcement?

You seem to be evading multiple questions I've asked you repeatedly. Should I list the questions again and number them?

Where did ya go?

45 posted on 03/08/2012 9:40:15 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: porter_knorr

Your good friends shot an unarmed man to death, and then changed the version of events.


46 posted on 03/08/2012 9:43:17 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: porter_knorr

Lots of good people screw up. If he screwed up, and it sounds like he did, he should pay the price. His being a good guy doesn’t change anything.
he was pretty quick to use his gun. And there is a lot of garbage coming out of OC.


47 posted on 03/08/2012 9:50:30 AM PST by LevinFan
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To: dragnet2

I said we know him
he’s a good man

Did he change the story, or did the reporter change the story? Do you know him? Do you know the marine? Are you assuming he’s guilty before you know all the facts?

I don’t know any answers, I do think though there’s a rush to judge the deputy without knowing the facts.


48 posted on 03/08/2012 9:51:46 AM PST by porter_knorr
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To: LevinFan

absolutely...but let’s wait until the investigation is complete before making him pay the price.


49 posted on 03/08/2012 9:55:10 AM PST by porter_knorr
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In fact, your good friend not only shot an unarmed man to death, changed the version of events, then it's discovered his two young girls were held about 13 hours without legal representation or even their mother present.

In addition, it seems inordinately clear, the local government "Officials" in Orange County are intentionally stonewalling this investigation.

50 posted on 03/08/2012 9:55:36 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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Did he change the story, or did the reporter change the story?

Maybe you should follow this case a bit closer.

It was the OCSD Sheriffs Department spokesperson Jim Amormino himself, who changed the version of events. Did he pull this out of thin air, or receive this conflicting information from the deputy in question?

51 posted on 03/08/2012 9:59:41 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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let’s wait until the investigation is complete

All the players are accounted for and were within minutes of this incident, including the weapon used by the deputy, etc.

This was one shooting, by one deputy, at one suspect, with two witnesses in one vehicle, and apparently several other deputy's in the area. Everyone is accounted for.

Tell me, what is so complicated, mysterious or complex about this which would cause an investigation to take weeks and weeks and weeks?

52 posted on 03/08/2012 10:03:39 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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Glad you’ve got it all figured out.


53 posted on 03/08/2012 10:09:21 AM PST by porter_knorr
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I never claimed I had it all figured out.

If you'd read this thread, you will find I asked multiple questions that went unanswered.

The fact is, it appears you, and just a couple others, including unionized government employees, who came out in support of this deputy, among other things, suggesting this is a "Good guy" who shot to death an unarmed individual, right in front of his two kids.

54 posted on 03/08/2012 10:21:34 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: porter_knorr

There are two witnesses, a cop, a shot up car, and an unarmed dead man. None of the physical evidence seems to be in question, nor is there doubt on whether he pulled the trigger. He doesn’t even claim fear for his life. and no evidence shows the father to be a threat to the girls. This doesn’t sound all that complicated.
And their questioning of the girls for so long without their mother speaks volumes.
This reeks of Thin Blue Line. Cops don’t do honest investigation into other cops, and their local governments aren’t any better.


55 posted on 03/08/2012 10:24:08 AM PST by LevinFan
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To: BigEdLB

Absolutely.

Sheriff is a publicly elected official. Citizens have rights.


56 posted on 03/08/2012 10:45:12 AM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: porter_knorr

One other thing. I have seen law enforcement and their District Attorney friends, lie, cheat, concoct schemes, and attempt to paint law abiding people, who’ve *never* had a background of violence, as dangerous individuals.

I’ve seen this over and over and over, when law enforcement runs straight to the media, with their stories attempting to smear, slander and discredit individuals in an effort to justify their actions.


57 posted on 03/08/2012 11:08:43 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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Anyone recall this event which occurred not long ago?

I remember. At the time I posted that to me it looked like the Marine tried to find a dark, low visibility spot to take a leak. When he returned to his vehicle, he was shot for his efforts.

58 posted on 03/08/2012 11:45:04 AM PST by Petruchio (I Think . . . Therefor I FReep.)
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I’ve been thinking about this story quite a bit because how unjust and strange it is. I think the police department holding his daughters for 13 hours adds more fuel to the fire that they are involved, also.

If this Marine was responsible and was not drinking and driving or on any mind-alterning meds I will theorize that

1) he saw something very bad going down on that property that was bad enough to force him to crash the gate, get out of his vehicle, and go investigate,
2) the event he witnessed involved one or more officers of this police department and/or civilian criminals,
3) those officer(s) and/or civilian criminals realized they had been discovered and one of them took care of the ‘problem’ while the others left the scene,
4) the cop who murdered this Marine has changed his story as to who he was protecting and who was in danger which is another sign that this particular officer was doing something more than likely unlawful to cover his own rear end,
5) the daughters were kidnapped by the police department and questioned over and over to determine if they also saw what they father witnessed which would indicate that corruption is within the whole police department.

I think this Marine saw something he wasn’t supposed to and he was executed for it. Internal affairs needs to do a very serious, under cover investigation.


59 posted on 03/08/2012 12:39:06 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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I don’t quite understand how you “protect” these
young girls BY FIRING INTO THE CAR THEY ARE RIDING IN.

Need more facts.


60 posted on 03/08/2012 12:48:48 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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