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3 linked to Tucson man killed in SWAT raid arrested
Arizona Star ^ | 5-8-2012 | Veronica Cruz

Posted on 03/09/2012 4:50:46 AM PST by willamedwardwallace

Three people connected to Jose Guerena, the man shot and killed during a SWAT raid in May 2011, were arrested on drug and money laundering charges Thursday morning.

(Excerpt) Read more at azstarnet.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: marine; police; swat; tucson
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To: org.whodat

You’ll never sit on a jury.


101 posted on 03/09/2012 10:02:00 AM PST by willamedwardwallace
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To: willamedwardwallace
You’ll never sit on a jury.

Perhaps. But I suggest your FR account won't be very longlasting.

102 posted on 03/09/2012 10:03:07 AM PST by Lazamataz (I'm a slut.)
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To: willamedwardwallace

You remind me of Wormtongue.


103 posted on 03/09/2012 10:03:49 AM PST by Shimmer1 (No matter how cynical I get, I just can't keep up.)
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To: willamedwardwallace

LOL you do not get to make that decision. LOL


104 posted on 03/09/2012 10:04:15 AM PST by org.whodat
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To: donna

See, now you are an example of someone who might disagree with the majority on this thread, but you are no troll. You have an honest difference of opinion, and you aren’t going right to provoking angry responses. I can respect your point of view, even if I might disagree.


105 posted on 03/09/2012 10:05:08 AM PST by Lazamataz (I'm a slut.)
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To: org.whodat
No, but the judge and the attorneys who conduct voir dire do.
106 posted on 03/09/2012 10:05:44 AM PST by willamedwardwallace
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To: Lazamataz

So anyone who disagrees with you is a troll? You are a reasonable person most of the time from what I see, why retreat to the troll meme?


107 posted on 03/09/2012 10:06:31 AM PST by willamedwardwallace
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To: Texas Fossil
@ williamedwardwallace: But you seemed to be the center of attraction.

The very definition of a troll. They thrive on the negative attention.

108 posted on 03/09/2012 10:07:13 AM PST by Lazamataz (I'm a slut.)
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To: willamedwardwallace
So anyone who disagrees with you is a troll?

Nope. See my #105. Freeper donna is not trolling.

You are a reasonable person most of the time from what I see, why retreat to the troll meme?

Because you are obviously trolling. Pushing buttons, trying to provoke as much negative response.

Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, flies like a duck.

109 posted on 03/09/2012 10:09:51 AM PST by Lazamataz (I'm a slut.)
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To: willamedwardwallace
LOL, that is stupid as the no such thing as a bogus warrant. Now get in the closet and play with your thimble.
110 posted on 03/09/2012 10:10:29 AM PST by org.whodat
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To: Lazamataz

You don’t think I was jumped on from the moment I posted the story?


111 posted on 03/09/2012 10:10:40 AM PST by willamedwardwallace
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To: willamedwardwallace; Admin Moderator

I do believe that threatening FReepers with legal action for expressing an opinion is a violation of FR rules, correct?


112 posted on 03/09/2012 10:13:34 AM PST by Politicalmom (Lazamataz for president!! NO MORE RINOS!!)
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To: Lazamataz

You know I love angry responses.


113 posted on 03/09/2012 10:13:39 AM PST by donna (Republicans won't change their ways until conservatives draw the line.)
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To: willamedwardwallace
You don’t think I was jumped on from the moment I posted the story?

You posted the story with a trolling comment.

The topic of the article had nothing to do with the family of the deceased marine, nor a thorough discussion of the events that lead to Jose Guererra's death. It had to do with some possibly very-shady cops.

Yet the first comment, by you, was a clear troll, and was largely unresponsive to the topic of the article.

114 posted on 03/09/2012 10:14:34 AM PST by Lazamataz (I'm a slut.)
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To: willamedwardwallace

I don’t recall anyone saying that Jose’s extended family was “perfect”.

The police had numerous opportunities to apprehend Jose outside of his home, where he wouldn’t have had access to his AR.

They chose to confront him in his home, with his family inside. Poor judgement resulting in a man being killed solely for being under suspicion of committing a crime. And yet, after all of this time, I’ve not seen any evidence presented to support the police allegations that he was involved in any crime.

Based on your statement, I suppose you believe that a son should be held responsible for his father’s sins?

You can choose your friends, not your family.


115 posted on 03/09/2012 10:15:07 AM PST by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political party's in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: Politicalmom

No one threatened anyone, I merely pointed out a fact.


116 posted on 03/09/2012 10:15:07 AM PST by willamedwardwallace
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To: donna
You know I love angry responses.

LOL.

Well, GRRR, then.

:)

117 posted on 03/09/2012 10:15:24 AM PST by Lazamataz (I'm a slut.)
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To: org.whodat

The whole event was because the cops were serving a search warrant as part of a home invasion probe at the home of the marine under investigation for being the muscle for that home invasion gang.

Tucson Police say a gun found in Guerena’s house had been stolen in a burglary at a home in the 4300 Block of East Holmes three years ago.
http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/14964867/stolen-gun-found-in-dead-mans-home


118 posted on 03/09/2012 10:16:07 AM PST by donna (Republicans won't change their ways until conservatives draw the line.)
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To: Lazamataz

Yet the story was important to the overall narrative that surrounded the event, no?


119 posted on 03/09/2012 10:16:14 AM PST by willamedwardwallace
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To: willamedwardwallace
A threat was implied, such as if I were to hypothetically state: "Gosh, I love tracking down trolls and putting a .45 slug in their head."

Hypothetically, of course.

120 posted on 03/09/2012 10:17:15 AM PST by Lazamataz (I'm a slut.)
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To: willamedwardwallace
Did you pull the trigger, sign the warrant or just stand around eating donuts. Your connected to this and not in a good way.
121 posted on 03/09/2012 10:17:15 AM PST by Free_in_Alabama (The average citizen is too lazy to steal from you, instead they are asking the government to do it)
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To: SZonian

It’s easy to say, “they should arrest him outside the house.” However, you never know if a person you try to arrest outside a house is going to shoot it out, then you have a shoot out in an open environment where bystanders can get hurt.


122 posted on 03/09/2012 10:17:40 AM PST by willamedwardwallace
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To: willamedwardwallace
If someone points a gun at you, and you shoot them, have you summarily executed them.

If you kick in someones door and point a gun at them first when they point a gun back at you you can't claim selfdefense. A man's home is his castle. He was murdered.
123 posted on 03/09/2012 10:17:59 AM PST by TalonDJ
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To: willamedwardwallace
Glancingly, perhaps. But it did not warrant you coming out of the corner, swinging an obvious trolling comment.

Yer trolling. Period.

124 posted on 03/09/2012 10:18:29 AM PST by Lazamataz (I'm a slut.)
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Suddenly, the poster fell silent.

Somewhere in the distance, a dog barked.

125 posted on 03/09/2012 10:22:33 AM PST by Lazamataz (I'm a slut.)
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To: donna; willamedwardwallace

Thanks for providing some info that I had not seen about “evidence”.

Regardless, I am of the opinion that the police should have attempted to apprehend him outside of his home vs. in his “castle”.


126 posted on 03/09/2012 10:22:45 AM PST by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political party's in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: All
LOL, I see why. Admin mod agreed. Probably that williamedwardwallace had a previously-used IP address, and was, in fact, a retread. Probably a retread on this very topic.

Golly, I can sure sniff out those trolls. :)

127 posted on 03/09/2012 10:24:01 AM PST by Lazamataz (I'm a slut.)
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To: willamedwardwallace
But, but, but this family was perfect.

No one ever suggested the family of dead guy was perfect.

Those are your words used in a weak attempt to justify the brutal, punitive actions of ever growing, controlling government.

128 posted on 03/09/2012 10:24:01 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: willamedwardwallace
Yet the story was important to the overall narrative that surrounded the event, no?

Yeah I am sure that is what the local sheriff wants people to think. His 'overall narrative' is snything to take the heat off.
129 posted on 03/09/2012 10:24:21 AM PST by TalonDJ
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To: willamedwardwallace

And your comments about his family came just as easily?

The police exercised poor judgement and as evidenced by the video, extremely poor tactics.

Which begs the question, who was more of a danger?


130 posted on 03/09/2012 10:24:28 AM PST by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political party's in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: dragnet2

trolledwardwallace has been bounced.


131 posted on 03/09/2012 10:24:42 AM PST by Lazamataz (I'm a slut.)
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To: TheOldLady

Old Lazamataz sniffed out another troll. Bring in the dance crew. :)


132 posted on 03/09/2012 10:25:41 AM PST by Lazamataz (I'm a slut.)
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To: Lazamataz

good doggie!


133 posted on 03/09/2012 10:25:48 AM PST by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political party's in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: SZonian

Maybe they thought a trained Marine would not start a war if his family was at home.


134 posted on 03/09/2012 10:28:15 AM PST by donna (Republicans won't change their ways until conservatives draw the line.)
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To: SZonian
good doggie!

pant pant pant pant

135 posted on 03/09/2012 10:28:27 AM PST by Lazamataz (I'm a slut.)
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To: willamedwardwallace
Good riddance. Boot licking, knee pad wearing, ankle grabbing puss. I still say you were on that SWAT team. Reliving your glory moment just like a sick serial killer. You will be judged for eternity!
136 posted on 03/09/2012 10:29:11 AM PST by Free_in_Alabama (The average citizen is too lazy to steal from you, instead they are asking the government to do it)
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To: Lazamataz

Everybody happy dance! :)

(Do computer programs happy dance?)


137 posted on 03/09/2012 10:31:05 AM PST by Politicalmom (Lazamataz for president!! NO MORE RINOS!!)
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To: Free_in_Alabama
Good riddance. Boot licking, knee pad wearing, ankle grabbing puss. I still say you were on that SWAT team.

You know, to my mind, it would be okay if he WAS actually on the SWAT team. I'd love their perspective -- perhaps they'd share something that could sway our opinion!!

But to open up an only marginally-related topic with a trolling comment isn't good FR manners.

138 posted on 03/09/2012 10:31:16 AM PST by Lazamataz (I'm a slut.)
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To: willamedwardwallace; driftdiver
Nope. You should learn the law.

Law enforcement and your government stand around watching a conga-line of tens of millions enter this country illegally, during war time no less, as they collect their gold plated pensions, and you tell law abiding Americans to learn the law?

What a biggov fraud you are.

139 posted on 03/09/2012 10:31:26 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: donna

But we’ll never know now. His side of the story is buried with him and the police get to present the “facts”.

I’m not saying all servicemembers are saints, but from the beginning, this whole story stunk.


140 posted on 03/09/2012 10:31:52 AM PST by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political party's in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: Lazamataz

My only questions is which member of the SWAT team was he?


141 posted on 03/09/2012 10:32:10 AM PST by Ratman83
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To: Politicalmom
(Do computer programs happy dance?)

See for yourself.


142 posted on 03/09/2012 10:33:48 AM PST by Lazamataz (I'm a slut.)
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To: Lazamataz
I see why. Admin mod agreed.

That sucks, I was just getting started with this guy.

143 posted on 03/09/2012 10:34:31 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Ratman83
See my #138. I'd actually be thrilled if one of them showed up.

So long as they didn't purposefully troll the forum, of course.

144 posted on 03/09/2012 10:35:02 AM PST by Lazamataz (I'm a slut.)
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To: dragnet2

LOL, dn2, you genuinely crack me up. :)


145 posted on 03/09/2012 10:35:42 AM PST by Lazamataz (I'm a slut.)
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To: donna
Buying a stolen gun is not a death penalty offense and it was not part of the bogus warrant. What was wrong with a phone call to a man at home with his wife and kid. And officer friendly driving over during daylight hours.
146 posted on 03/09/2012 10:39:58 AM PST by org.whodat
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To: org.whodat

Do you have proof that he bought the stolen gun?


147 posted on 03/09/2012 10:42:29 AM PST by donna (Republicans won't change their ways until conservatives draw the line.)
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To: Lazamataz

Yeah but based upon their performance when they killed him they would only troll. How can a supposed police officer fail to allow the perimedic to render assistance until over an hour later.


148 posted on 03/09/2012 10:46:40 AM PST by Ratman83
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To: donna

Do you have proof he stole it. In the US we are supposed to be innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.


149 posted on 03/09/2012 10:49:05 AM PST by Ratman83
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To: Lazamataz
Probably that williamedwardwallace had a previously-used IP address, and was, in fact, a retread. Probably a retread on this very topic.

Wrong on all counts - again.

150 posted on 03/09/2012 10:50:30 AM PST by Admin Moderator
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