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3 linked to Tucson man killed in SWAT raid arrested
Arizona Star ^ | 5-8-2012 | Veronica Cruz

Posted on 03/09/2012 4:50:46 AM PST by willamedwardwallace

Three people connected to Jose Guerena, the man shot and killed during a SWAT raid in May 2011, were arrested on drug and money laundering charges Thursday morning.

(Excerpt) Read more at azstarnet.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: marine; police; swat; tucson
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To: sport
I used not to, but, now I am more afraid of the cops than the criminals. The criminals you can defend yourself from. The cops nowadays....?

"An assault on the King's Men is an assault on the King himself."

Ask that West Point grad and former Army Ranger captain who "spit" on one's of the King's Men...:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Yj2dB7MLuk&feature=player_embedded

And yes, the po-pos are spending bucket-loads of taxpayer money to smear him, too...

61 posted on 03/09/2012 6:26:23 AM PST by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: willamedwardwallace
But if we are in a police state, then there would be no such thing as a FOIA request right?

We want you to do it so that you can report back to us how you were told to "TALK TO THE HAND".

Unless, of course you're one of them...

62 posted on 03/09/2012 6:28:27 AM PST by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: willamedwardwallace

Your name doesn’t fit you, shame that. It’s obvious that knowing someone who is in the illegal trade means you should die sans judge, jury, rule of law, etc. Right? I’m counting now... up to my toes now... on how many people I know whom I would suspect are involved at one level or another in the drug trade. I believe the dead perp that you are so eager to posthumously declare guilty was working the night shift in a mine, and was sound asleep when the notably amateurish Pima authorities decided that this was the perfect moment to save the Republic. Thanks to people like you Sir William, more of the same is now guaranteed. Thanks for doing your part to defend freedom. (uber-sarc)


63 posted on 03/09/2012 6:35:10 AM PST by HMS Surprise (Chris Christie can still go to hell.)
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To: willamedwardwallace

Please change your name to King Richard’s pawn.


64 posted on 03/09/2012 6:37:52 AM PST by HMS Surprise (Chris Christie can still go to hell.)
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To: willamedwardwallace
“sovereigns” and libertarian wackos

Do you work for Big Siss's Homeland Security, Holder's In-Justice Department, or his BATF insanity? There is NO Sovereign talk on this forum. Libertarians (little L) are present, but the last time I looked it was still legal to advocate small less intrusive government.

65 posted on 03/09/2012 6:41:22 AM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: willamedwardwallace

Your blaze’ attitude is staggering. Defamation? A man is dead, and you’re worried about questions? It’s what goes on here, we examine everything, and a badge is not a shield from that process. Cops do bad things, sometimes out or fear, sometimes because the aren’t trained properly, and sometimes because they show indifference. I don’t hate cops, I hate bad cops who take the attitude that they are better than the people they have sworn to defend. The dead man who was killed was exactly that, A person they had sworn to defend and protect. Epic fail.


66 posted on 03/09/2012 6:43:13 AM PST by HMS Surprise (Chris Christie can still go to hell.)
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To: willamedwardwallace

And, if the family was perfect? I suspect you would have found a different reason to cover for bad cops. Guess what WWW? The system is broken, and cops as well as the people are suffering. Failing to examine the situation guarantees more of this, which from the sound of things, is evidently OK with you. The good thing about your name WWW? It’s hard to forget?


67 posted on 03/09/2012 6:51:41 AM PST by HMS Surprise (Chris Christie can still go to hell.)
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To: willamedwardwallace

I don’t recall anyone ever saying the dead husband/father/son/brother had innocent family members.

Is it a crime to defend your home against invasion?


68 posted on 03/09/2012 6:52:51 AM PST by petitfour
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To: kiryandil

That story is disgusting. It made me think of an idea. Anytime a cop is shot, there should be a full investigation into why the cop was put in a situation where he could be shot and whether it was necessary to be in that situation. If it wasnt necessary, then everyone who signed off on the mission should be charged as accessories to murder in a criminal case.


69 posted on 03/09/2012 6:54:45 AM PST by Raider Sam (They're on our left, right, front, and back. They aint gettin away this time!)
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To: willamedwardwallace

If someone comes to my house, and seems to be breaking in, and I point a gun at them, what crime have I committed?


70 posted on 03/09/2012 6:55:19 AM PST by NEMDF
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To: willamedwardwallace

It has been 10 months since the former Marine was shot 60+ times in front of his wife and son. They’re only now arresting folks connected to this case? Didn’t they have things in their possession on May 5, 2011 that warranted arrest? Or did I miss something?


71 posted on 03/09/2012 6:56:48 AM PST by petitfour
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To: HMS Surprise; willamedwardwallace

Conceivably, having relatives involved in the drug trade would increase your need to protect your family with arms, since you could be attacked in revenge for their activities It does not, of course, mean that you were personally involved in breaking the law.

If you were in a back bedroom, and this took place outside your front door, how would you respond?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XP0f00_JMak&feature=youtu.be

In the seconds you had to realize something was going on, would YOU know it was a SWAT team? Because in a situation like that, they would have broken down MY door and found a 53 year old retired USAF officer holding a 44 magnum (loaded with 44 specials).

My gun would not be cocked, and I almost never shoot at anything double action, but do you think the cops would wait to see if I lowered the gun?

I don’t. But then, I live in Pima County, and I have ZERO confidence in our senile sheriff...or the other democrats that run law enforcement in Pima County.


72 posted on 03/09/2012 7:06:57 AM PST by Mr Rogers ("they found themselves made strangers in their own country")
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To: driftdiver
When you think about it, this is a GREAT way to get around those bothersome ex-post-facto laws.

Do what you want, and then spend a hundred grand digging up "violations" of the innumerable laws after the fact, and then try your target in the press.

As the Guinness beer commercial goes: "Brilliant! BRILLIANT!!!"

73 posted on 03/09/2012 7:18:56 AM PST by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: willamedwardwallace

For those who haven’t read the short article: The dead man’s sister-in-law has been charged, along with her father and her sister, of “illegal control of enterprise, marijuana possession for sale, fraudulent schemes and artifice and five counts of money laundering.” So the dead man’s wife’s family MAY be crooked. I’d guess they are, actually.

And it only took an additional 10 months of investigation to do it...

I suspect the son of my brother-in-law’s brother may have done something illegal...so should I be a target of a home invasion by the Pima County SWAT Team? Would they give me time to get to the door and find out who they are before they broke the door down?


74 posted on 03/09/2012 7:19:49 AM PST by Mr Rogers ("they found themselves made strangers in their own country")
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To: Raider Sam
Anytime a cop is shot, there should be a full investigation into why the cop was put in a situation where he could be shot and whether it was necessary to be in that situation. If it wasnt necessary, then everyone who signed off on the mission should be charged as accessories to murder in a criminal case.

Yep. Any peasant in a similar situation would be INSTANTLY charged with "accessory to murder".

75 posted on 03/09/2012 7:21:23 AM PST by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: Mr Rogers
And it probably only cost the taxpayers $100,000 for the investigation.

BTW, Mr. Rogers - we have to increase your county property taxes this year, or we'll shut down the library and park the school buses.

Pay up. It's fer the chilrun.

76 posted on 03/09/2012 7:24:08 AM PST by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: willamedwardwallace
http://www.kvoa.com/videos/sheriffs-arrest-relative-of-ex-marine-killed-during-drug-investigation/

“Jose Guerena died last year after being shot dozens of times by SWAT team members serving a search warrant to his south side home. Reports state that when his wife told him someone was at their door, he woke up and grabbed his assault rifle. The family has since filed a $20 million wrongful death suit against the Pima County Sheriff's Department.”

77 posted on 03/09/2012 7:44:51 AM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: willamedwardwallace
No lunatic,

Let me remind you that personal insults are not received well here on FR.

78 posted on 03/09/2012 7:56:02 AM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Texas Fossil

Uh huh. Did you post the same to LOR boy?


79 posted on 03/09/2012 7:59:08 AM PST by willamedwardwallace
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To: kiryandil

I did note on the video from KVOA TV that a Pima County Judge dismissed a motion by attorneys representing the Pima County Sheriff’s department to dismiss the lawsuit brought by the widow of the X-Marine.

Meet the Sheriff

About Sheriff Clarence W. Dupnik

http://www.pimasheriff.org/about-us/meet-the-sheriff/


80 posted on 03/09/2012 8:02:31 AM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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