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US Soldier Kills Afghan Civilians In Kandahar
BBC News ^ | 11 Mar 2012 | BBC News

Posted on 03/11/2012 8:07:47 AM PDT by edpc

A US soldier in Afghanistan has killed at least 16 civilians and wounded five after entering their homes in Kandahar province, senior local officials say.

He left his military base in the early hours of the morning and opened fire in at least two homes; women and children were among the dead.

Nato said it was investigating the "deeply regrettable incident".

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; military; wot
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1 posted on 03/11/2012 8:07:56 AM PDT by edpc
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To: edpc

I clicked on over, tried to read between the lines, still not enough information to figure this out.


2 posted on 03/11/2012 8:16:48 AM PDT by ngat
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To: ngat

I know what you mean. It just doesn’t compute. Gotta be something more to it or some kind of out right lie. So many questions.


3 posted on 03/11/2012 8:18:36 AM PDT by fightin kentuckian
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To: edpc
Consider that Afghans reported both the recent koran burning incident as well as this shooting incident to photographers with their version of what took place :
2/21/2012 Korans desecrated by prisoners (scroll half way down page for the following quote)
". . .Photographs surfaced purporting to show the damaged Qurans. A photographer for Agence France-Presse said Afghans who work inside the airfield told him they obtained the Qurans there. But the U.S. military said that was unlikely.
Then in today's story,
"Villagers showed an Associated Press photographer 15 bodies, including women and children, who they said were killed by the American.
May I suggest the identified photographer in today's story, "Allauddin Khan" as well as the unidentified AFP photographer in the burned korans story have their own agenda and are pushing an oppositional narrative detrimental to US troops. I don't trust any of them to tell the truth and would go so far as to suggest they are collaborating with the enemy.
5 posted on 03/11/2012 8:23:13 AM PDT by wtd
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To: ngat
One can't possibly imagine what it must be like to serve in such a chaotic situation. The people are hostile, the government is incomprehensible, our own Commander-in-Chief is not behind our troops and we have announced we have a disoriented mission and no path to success, so we're leaving soon.

Every soldier there must be wondering why and if they may soon die for no reason.

6 posted on 03/11/2012 8:23:52 AM PDT by Baynative (Please check this out - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFIcZkEzc8I)
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To: edpc

I guess being surrounded by a people who want you dead simply made him snap.


7 posted on 03/11/2012 8:23:56 AM PDT by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: edpc

We need to get the hell out of that hell hole and leave those sixth century morons to live in the depravity they so love. I wouldn’t waste one more life on these inconsiderate bastards. The best way to deal with them is to kill the hell out of them when they attack us. Always make sure the price they pay is enormous.


8 posted on 03/11/2012 8:30:46 AM PDT by ontap
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To: bigheadfred

I wouldn’t want to live anywhere near you.


9 posted on 03/11/2012 8:33:45 AM PDT by Principle Over Politics (Romney 2012 is McCain 2008. No more RINOs!)
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To: edpc

Get the F out and put these guys on the border. Set up a system of tactical nuke options to deal with any future Taliban operations. Our boys get killed for nothing while the Chinese just laugh, make money and hoard oil and resources. They are playing “Risk” while we are just playing “Chump”.


10 posted on 03/11/2012 8:34:10 AM PDT by montag813
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To: ontap
We need to get the hell out of that hell hole and leave those sixth century morons to live in the depravity they so love. I wouldn’t waste one more life on these inconsiderate bastards.

Remember when the idiot Bush and his stupid dhimmi drone Karen Hughes used to bloat on about "see all the girls who can now go to school!". I never gave two shits about Afghan girls or women. We went there because 3,000 Americans were murdered, not to build schools and act as a NOW chapter in Kabul. Get out!

11 posted on 03/11/2012 8:37:40 AM PDT by montag813
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To: Principle Over Politics

Then move to Afghanistan.


12 posted on 03/11/2012 8:37:51 AM PDT by bigheadfred
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To: Sans-Culotte

Our troops will return home, and some will get flashbacks when they see the many ragheads walking around in their neighborhood.


13 posted on 03/11/2012 8:38:36 AM PDT by 353FMG
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To: edpc

as usual we don´t have all the details. How do we know the soldier was not under fire himself or threatened by a hord of angry muslims? We know they are a bit hot under the collar after the burning of some book.
The soldier should be commended for fighting the ennemy.
It is his job to preserve us from +islam+ and if it means going on a spree so be it.


14 posted on 03/11/2012 8:39:58 AM PDT by Christian1
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To: edpc

How can we explain to the world that the US cannot control it’s own military?

This is a shameful act that diminishes our great nation and anyone who makes light of it is a fool.


15 posted on 03/11/2012 8:39:58 AM PDT by bigbob
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To: edpc

Lets get the “F” out of there. How long did it take the Soviets to find out this is an impossible situation?? OIF vet


16 posted on 03/11/2012 8:40:18 AM PDT by jesseam
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To: edpc

Lets get the “F” out of there. How long did it take the Soviets to find out this is an impossible situation?? OIF vet


17 posted on 03/11/2012 8:40:18 AM PDT by jesseam
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To: montag813
I have to admit I actually bought into that. I had a vision of our making a difference....I was wrong.... most Muslims believe in this sixth century BS and that includes women. We should restrict our intentions to buying only such products from them as is necessary and decline any other associations.
18 posted on 03/11/2012 8:45:50 AM PDT by ontap
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To: montag813

Keep saying that.

Posters on this board would rather pretend China doesn’t exist.

China growing, and growing, and growing from what used to be American factories and American jobs. China building a space program. China building an equivalent to our own (canceled) F-22. China fields an aircraft carrier.

China growing. Is too uncomfortable for a lot to even talk about.

So we pretend they don’t exist. Too many preconceived notions are invested in the “free trade” cult. Sending American jobs to a communist nation is *good*, you see.

Cognitive dissonance it’s called - any uncomfortable new information contradicting strongly held views, is simply rejected.

As if it doesn’t exist. Holding hands over ears, “la la la la la I can’t heeeear you!”

Wonder if this is what it was like, in 1935. As the world stood by, not noticing.


19 posted on 03/11/2012 8:46:31 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network ("The door is open" PALIN 2012)
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To: bigheadfred
You are an ass.
20 posted on 03/11/2012 8:51:52 AM PDT by starlifter (Pullum sapit)
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To: Baynative

“Every soldier there must be wondering why and if they may soon die for no reason.”

Speaking of Reason, I doubt we will ever be allowed to know what that soldier’s reason was for doing what “he” (one of the few things the bbc story makes clear) did.

I do not rule out any possibility.


21 posted on 03/11/2012 8:52:20 AM PDT by ngat
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To: bigheadfred
All right. Good for him.

Not too good for any hero.
There were sleeping women and children killed at 3am in their own homes. And now they might hate us even more for our freedoms.

23 posted on 03/11/2012 8:59:36 AM PDT by heyheyhey
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To: heyheyhey

You ever notice when lots of civilians are killed by airstrikes no one ever gets prosecuted?

Your POTUS has set policies that get our troops murdered and he apologizes to the enemy.

Your POTUS cares not one damn bit for our troops, or for you for that matter.

He is setting the stage for millions of people to die.

And I keep asking myself, “Just what is it WE OWE the Afghanistanicans?”

NOT ONE THING.

You don’t like that a soldier just can’t take the BS anymore?

Then march on the White Hut and DEMAND they all be brought home.

NOW.


24 posted on 03/11/2012 9:07:53 AM PDT by bigheadfred
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To: edpc

This will be bigger news then the Fort Hood shooter on our own soil. Sad


25 posted on 03/11/2012 9:09:12 AM PDT by just me (Children should be educated and instructed in the principles of freedom. (John Adams)
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To: Sans-Culotte

“I guess being surrounded by a people who want you dead simply made him snap.”

That, and maybe the apology to Karzai after seven of our troops were killed after the Koran burnings.


26 posted on 03/11/2012 9:12:07 AM PDT by varina davis (A real American patriot -- Gov. Rick Perry)
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To: heyheyhey
You'll never hear a peep of criticism from me over an episode like where a U.S. soldier does something like what has apparently been done here.

From my profile page, regarding an incident in which several U.S. soldiers allegedly killed an "unarmed civilian" in Iraq a few years ago:

"The fact of the matter is that war changes men's natures. The barbarities of war are seldom committed by abnormal men. The tragedy of war is that these horrors are committed by normal men in abnormal situations; situations in which the ebb and flow of everyday life have departed and have been replaced by a constant round of fear and anger, blood and death. Soldiers at war are not to be judged by civilian rules, even though they commit acts which calmly viewed afterwards could only be seen as un-Christian and brutal . . . [W]e can not hope to judge such matters unless we ourselves have been submitted to the same pressures, the same provocations, as these men, whose actions are on trial." --- Major J.F. Thomas (Jack Thompson), Breaker Morant

The next time we send U.S. soldiers overseas for a decades-long military campaign, let Sasha and Malia Obama land on the first helicopter ... and let Barbara and Jenna Bush pilot the damn thing.

27 posted on 03/11/2012 9:14:45 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: edpc
Until there is proof that an ACTUAL US soldier committed this act, and he is arrested, I will withhold any condemnation of our troops and the military.

As of now I do not believe a US soldier murdered these civilians.

28 posted on 03/11/2012 9:18:25 AM PDT by OldMissileer (Atlas, Titan, Minuteman, PK. Winners of the Cold War)
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To: edpc

Hopefully he gets to share a cell with Bradley Manning.


29 posted on 03/11/2012 9:29:46 AM PDT by Redneck Texan
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To: heyheyhey; Principle Over Politics; starlifter; Alberta's Child
Anyone out there remember this young man?

He is getting close to that five year mark in the Leavenworth USDB.

I have NEVER STOPPED my efforts to help in his release.

I NEVER WILL.

30 posted on 03/11/2012 9:30:21 AM PDT by bigheadfred
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To: Baynative
our own Commander-in-Chief is not behind our troops

And therein lies the biggest problem.

31 posted on 03/11/2012 9:39:35 AM PDT by GVnana (Newt 2012 - He Speaks for Us)
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To: montag813

I now think the surge of 30,000 troops to Afghanistan served a three-fold purpose:

1. It bleeds out our patriotic troops, money, and ammunition.

2. It provides an opportunity for the Islamist media to use our troops to inflame the Islamists and provide an ultimate excuse for both Pakistan and Afghanistan to reverse their alliance with the US (based on Rumsfeld’s cooperate-or-become-a-glass-parking-lot ultimatum) and instead go full sharia - just like all the other ME countries the Obama regime has supported in their move from being non-sharia US allies to becoming Muslim Brotherhood/Salafist countries who are instituting sharia including annihilation of “infidels” such as Christians. The Egyptian ambassador said on Arab TV that Obama had privately told him (presumably in January of 2010) that he was and still is a Muslim who supports the Muslim agenda. The Muslim agenda - which all branches of Islam agree on - is the destruction of the US and Israel and the institution of worldwide sharia.

3. It ensures that we don’t have enough troops to defend the homeland when the doo-doo hits the fan here - whether that is by black riots pushed by the union heads, by a Hezbollah/Hamas coup following an Iranian EMP attack, by riots following another run on the bank to collapse capitalism and the world economy, or by any other scenario. Obama has said different things that suggest he believes nobody can get him out of office. Which suggests to me that he intends there not to be a 2012 election if it looks like he won’t win it.


32 posted on 03/11/2012 9:59:45 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: bigheadfred

??????


33 posted on 03/11/2012 10:11:16 AM PDT by servantboy777
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To: jesseam

There is a reason that Bush took on the fight in Iraq. The terrorists went to Iraq to fight us there because that’s where we were, and the choice of Iraq was a much better place than Afghanistan because both the politics of the region, the anger with Saddam Hussein and his atrocities, and the geographic lay of the land made it POSSIBLE to win the battle there. Nobody has ever won in Afghanistan, and we’re finding out all the reasons why.

When Obama took over we were winning in Iraq after proving the hard way (in blood, sweat, and tears) to the Iraqi people that they had to give up the sectarian and/or terrorist stuff and get on board with a western model where justice was sect-blind and basically secular. The terrorists were coming to us there and being defeated. What Obama did from the outset was tell the terrorists and Iran when we’d be leaving there and then moving our troops instead to the impossible scenario of Afghanistan (where Obama could accomplish the 3 objectives I stated in my last post on this thread). When Obama took over we had allies in the War on Terror in Kenya, Libya, Egypt, Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan (among others). Every one of those have now been ceded to the Islamists.

The one country whose resistance Obama did NOT support was Iran. But then, they are already an Islamist sharia state that persecutes “infidels” such as Christians, and the regime was already well on its way to developing a nuclear weapon that would work great for getting the doo-doo to hit the fan in America so that the communist-Islamist coup could finally take place here (with no soldiers here to protect the Homeland).

Obama is owned by George Soros, who has publicly stated that he hopes the US loses the “war on terror” because that would weaken both America and capitalism - which Soros, who seriously believes he is God, has said are the 2 great evils he has to defeat. What’s going on right now is methodical, deliberate, and EVIL. The 2 enemies of the United States (which has always been built on a Judeo-Christian worldview) are joining forces to bring us down.


34 posted on 03/11/2012 10:11:32 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: jesseam
Over a couple of thousand years, I read several armies swept through Afghanistan in an attempt to conquer it.

All failed to do so. Even the good ol USA.

It's time to piyai on outta there.

35 posted on 03/11/2012 10:15:04 AM PDT by servantboy777
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To: bigheadfred
This country has forgotten how to win a war since WWII. In order to win a war you have to kill enough people including civilians and destroy enough property until the other side surrenders. Using the military as a police force or in nation building is a failed policy from the beginning.

If this administration doesn't have the will to do what it takes to win then pull our guys out of Afghanistan.

36 posted on 03/11/2012 10:15:38 AM PDT by pterional
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To: servantboy777

What is your question?


37 posted on 03/11/2012 10:17:22 AM PDT by bigheadfred
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To: bigheadfred

No question, just bewildered by your comment.


38 posted on 03/11/2012 10:22:04 AM PDT by servantboy777
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To: OldMissileer

There was a curious fact in one of the articles I read about this. The reporters were shown bodies from one house (the one where 10 people were supposedly killed) and noticed that a number of the bodies were badly burned and others had charring on them. Nobody seems to have claimed that the supposed soldier had a grenade or used explosives, but on the other hand, he certainly couldn’t have gotten that effect with a gun. So what really happened there?

It’s always possible that one of our guys cracked up and couldn’t take it any more, or it’s possible that it was a Muslim US soldier or a soldier involved with a woman from one of these families. But I think it’s also possible that this was done by another group (the Taliban, for example) and blamed on US soldiers, or even that it was staged.

I want more facts.


39 posted on 03/11/2012 10:22:17 AM PDT by livius
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To: OldMissileer
As of now I do not believe a US soldier murdered these civilians.

I'm with you. Let's have a name.

40 posted on 03/11/2012 10:23:01 AM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: edpc
Something very strange about this report. How does one soldier walk out of a base in Crapganistan?
41 posted on 03/11/2012 10:25:33 AM PDT by PogySailor (Obama is a SCOAMF)
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To: servantboy777

Which comment?


42 posted on 03/11/2012 10:28:47 AM PDT by bigheadfred
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To: bigheadfred
good post...I agree...

wondering how soon the White House dude makes another apology?

watch for Agenda 21...goggle and read about it...wake up Americans

43 posted on 03/11/2012 10:28:58 AM PDT by haircutter
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To: OldMissileer
As of now I do not believe a US soldier murdered these civilians.

Roger that.

44 posted on 03/11/2012 10:30:20 AM PDT by PogySailor (Obama is a SCOAMF)
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To: starlifter

why is he an A$$? Explain yourself


45 posted on 03/11/2012 10:30:31 AM PDT by haircutter
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To: butterdezillion
goggle agenda 21...George soros..
enough to scare the pants right off your A$$..

Happening as we speak..

46 posted on 03/11/2012 10:34:23 AM PDT by haircutter
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To: haircutter
watch for Agenda 21

Just one of the reasons the "Breitbart videos" are so important.

Obama's ties to radical thinking needs to be exposed.

Some people on this thread want to denounce me and my way of thinking. That is fine. I stand with our troops. I stand as a citizen with my fellow citizens. Not with failed policies and "leaders" who are attempting a restructuring of the basic tenets that founded this nation.

47 posted on 03/11/2012 10:39:43 AM PDT by bigheadfred
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To: haircutter

Maybe I better not; my a$$ needs all the cover it can get. lol.

But agreed. And it’s happening right in front of our faces. They are relying on the Goebbels principle that people will swallow a big lie before a little one. People can handle debating whether Kim Kardashian had a boob job (or whatever the latest bread and circus is). They can’t handle the thought that the Islamists and communists who have been telling us for a very, very long time that they would destroy us are actually doing what they’ve said they would.

Making us afraid of being called a “conspiracy theorist” neutralizes the voices who would otherwise point out what should be obvious.


48 posted on 03/11/2012 10:41:21 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: bigheadfred
well Fred I stand with you..

I'm tired of playing Mr. and Mrs. Nice Guy...roll over and play dead...I'm sick to my stomach what is happening all across the once great Nation that my family and relatives and friends fought for...
I'm a daughter of a veteran
I'm a sister of a veteran
I'm aunt to many veterans
and I'm wife to a veteran
our men and women have their hands tied by this jerk in the White House and he knows nothing about serving in the Military or even what military life is like...
He needs to struggle, and suffer as many families have.

after spending the day reading up on Agenda 21...I tell you I'm scare for the future of America...thankfully I don't have as many years remaining as I've had in my past..It is sad sad times....

49 posted on 03/11/2012 10:51:36 AM PDT by haircutter
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To: haircutter

I wonder if this soldier has any Muslim ties......I suspect they are tearing his history apart..


50 posted on 03/11/2012 10:55:36 AM PDT by ken5050 (The ONLY reason to support Mitt: The Mormon Tabernacle Choir will appear at the WH each Christmas)
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