Countdown until Jackwagon leaves Office: 315 days as of March 11, 2012.
Posted on 03/11/2012 5:34:53 PM PDT by tobyhill
President Barack Obama has a PR problem when it comes to Afghanistan, to say the least.
Once the must-fight war for America, the decade-long mission has spiraled into a series of U.S. missteps and violent outbreaks that have left few ardent political supporters. After NATO detained a U.S. soldier Sunday for allegedly killing sleeping Afghan villagers, Republicans and Democrats alike pointed to the stress on troops after years of fighting and reiterated calls to leave by the end of 2014 as promised, if not sooner.
"It's just not a good situation," said Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev. "Our troops are under such tremendous pressure in Afghanistan. It's a war like no other war we've been involved in. ... We're moving out, as the president said. I think it's the right thing to do."
Likewise, many Republicans —who as a party fought against a quick exodus in Iraq and criticized Obama's 2008 presidential campaign promise to end the war — are now reluctant to embrace a continued commitment in Afghanistan.
"There's something profoundly wrong with the way we're approaching the whole region, and I think it's going to get substantially worse, not better," said GOP presidential hopeful Newt Gingrich. "I think that we're risking the lives of young men and women in a mission that may, frankly, not be doable."
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“Likewise, many Republicans —who as a party fought against a quick exodus in Iraq and criticized Obama’s 2008 presidential campaign promise to end the war — are now reluctant to embrace a continued commitment in Afghanistan.”
We should remain in Afghanistan, but fundamentally change our tactics. We should give up trying to sustain Karza. It was a serious mistake to allow any government to be set up that embraced Islam as a state religion. It is Islam, as practiced by the Taliban, that is the fundamental inciting cause of continued trouble in that region.
The Taliban should NEVER be acknowledged as a legitimate entitity and MUST be totally radicated. You embrace the Taliban in any way....you die...that simple. There will be NO Sharia law in Afghanistan and the government WE set up will ensure this. War is hell and cruelty and cannot be reformed. We must make the appeal to it or insurgency so clostly to the average Afghani that they will readily turn in Taliban members of their own families to avoid horrible consequences. The people must be given the absolute, government backed, right to total freedom of religion. Meaning they can be “peaceful” Muslims, Christians, athiests....and none will dare violate that peace.
Then after the country has been totatlly pacified then we can start pulling out. IF these are not our goals, then we may as well leave now....we are wasting lives and accomplishing nothing of lasting value under current ROAs.
“I think we should come up with a way to help Denny Kucinich mount a Third Party run for President, for the good folks on the far-left.”
what a good idea. if only that could be done.
The fact that we’re more than 10 years into this military campaign and we’re still talking about what constitutes “winning” is pathetic ... and in my mind is irrefutable evidence that the U.S. government had no business sending any troops there at all.
He said it was the good war. Whatever. He never paid attention to it anyway. Worst CIC ever.
Where the hell is that “This war is lost” moron, when we need him? (at a cowboy poetry reading, I’m sure)
I wonder if the "upbeat" announcement that we were going to transfer "detainees" to Afghan control might have upset someone who had risked his life and probably lost some of his brothers capturing these "detainees".
Obama is the Messiah, Bush is doing bad things to Him from Crawford TX
Obama is the Messiah, Bush is doing bad things to Him from Crawford TX
Obama is the Messiah, Bush is doing bad things to Him from Crawford TX
Obama is the one who stepped up our involvement in Afghanistan. President Bush’s strategy was to draw them into Iraq and fight them there. We were making progress before obama took over. Laura bush had a strong initiative to help the women there. Once the POS started announcing withdrawal dates things started going south fast in both countries. He wasn’t even focused on our military or winning. All he cared about was DADT. I wish nothing but the worst on that evil piece of garbage.
They are updating the killing spree story. I expect a wave of article posts commencing shortly.
By comparison Adolf Hitler was a military genius (and even had a legitimate birth certificate)
Countdown until Jackwagon leaves Office: 315 days as of March 11, 2012.
Winning the "hearts and minds" doesn't mean we shove western ideals down their throats. It won't work. In 2003-2004, we were giving local people jobs. The company I was working for was paying $1.00 per day. Afghani's were flocking to these jobs because they didn't have anything else. The biggest thing was- it was safe. We were sending convoys from Bagram to Kabul twice a week, and never had a problem until some Norwegians (IIRC) decided to break down doors in a nearby village and were engaged.
Then big military also moved in. Everyone had a plan, an idea, and a pocket too full of cash. The war in A-stan was no longer SOF-centric, but micromanaged by the same bureaucratic staff weenies who force the troops to wear reflective belts on a blacked out camp. The same weenies who rarely leave the confines of their bases to interact with the locals. The same weenies who require a 60+ page PPT presentation for an operation vs a 5 paragraph operations order. The bureaucracy is out of control.
IMO- the biggest problem we face in A-stan at this point is ourselves.
This is a mountainous country with few and horrible roads outside a couple of big cities. The people are tribal with thousands of years of formng short alliances with another tribe for short term, and next year forming an alliance against the tribe they were formerly allied with, extending loyalty only to their own tribe.
They intend to keep women and children under strict curfew, and practice the "religion of peace" because it caters to all their bestiality and forms a permission for cruelty. It and they (Taliban) are pure evil. Our military are hampered by PC rules of engagement that are detrimental to their (our military) safety. I would love to ship most of Hollywood, Obama and all his czars to Afghanistan--out in the Hinterland.
Oh, let's keep Mooshelle home as she would probably scare the h&!! out of everyone. Hmmm! Actually, she might be a not too secret weapon. She could teach them the joys of unlimited travel, which might distract, and sidetrack some of their animosity into forming a food police force.
vaudine
It took me awhile, (about 5 minutes), but I had the same thought. . . "Never let a crisis go to waste." . .
You know it's time to water the tree of liberty when you wake up every day and think, "Well, what's going to be the manufactued crisis for today?" . . November 6, 2012. .
“we’re in a no-win situation in Afghanistan.”
Obama’s fault.
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