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Karzai wants US troops to pull back to military bases
Fox News ^ | March 15, 2012

Posted on 03/15/2012 8:22:08 AM PDT by rightwingintelligentsia

The United States encountered mounting challenges to its presence in Afghanistan Thursday, as Afghan President Hamid Karzai urged the U.S. to pull back to military bases and the Taliban announced they were suspending tentative peace talks.

The developments come after two incidents strained relations between the two countries -- the inadvertent burning of Korans on a U.S. base, and most recently a shooting spree that left 16 Afghan civilians dead. Afghan lawmakers expressed outrage after the U.S. soldier suspected in that massacre was flown out of the country to Kuwait.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; karzai

1 posted on 03/15/2012 8:22:13 AM PDT by rightwingintelligentsia
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Tell you what Karzy baby, we’re going to pull back all the way back to the US....lotsa luck.


2 posted on 03/15/2012 8:24:01 AM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Leading from behind.


3 posted on 03/15/2012 8:24:46 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
Karzai wants US troops to pull back to military bases

I agree with Karzai. However, these bases should all be in the USA.

4 posted on 03/15/2012 8:24:46 AM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I carrying this lantern? you ask. I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: dfwgator

I hear them C-17s can land on a dirt road. What the US should do is coordinate a massive Dunkirk-like Exodus. EVERY helicopter, C-17, C130 and other similar troop transport aircraft in the world converging on Afghanistan and removing all of our soldiers.

Orbiting high up is a B-2 or two or three loaded to the gills with nuclear ALCMs waiting for the all clear sign.


5 posted on 03/15/2012 8:27:55 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer
Orbiting high up is a B-2 or two or three loaded to the gills with nuclear ALCMs waiting for the all clear sign.

It's the only way to be sure.

6 posted on 03/15/2012 8:28:58 AM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Funny how the American media never mention our own American troops who were treacherously killed by crazed Muslims. Or the fact that those Korans were already defaced by Muslim terrorists. It’s as if that never happened. No, it’s all our fault, and only our fault. Fox News is as bad as the rest, with a few exceptions.


7 posted on 03/15/2012 8:29:30 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
the U.S. soldier suspected in that massacre was flown out of the country to Kuwait

KUWAIT?!? He's not safe in any Muslim country. He needs to be flown back to the US ASAP.

8 posted on 03/15/2012 8:31:45 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell)
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To: Leaning Right

I bet he won’t last as long as Soviet puppets did if the US to get back home.


9 posted on 03/15/2012 8:32:52 AM PDT by cunning_fish
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Oh boy. Vietnam again.


10 posted on 03/15/2012 8:33:35 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: dfwgator

We should pull them all out NOW. Let’s see if Karzai is even alive in 2 weeks! What a waste of American lives this last couple of years on Afghanistan has been!


11 posted on 03/15/2012 8:34:14 AM PDT by Cricket24 (Proud to be a CONSERVATIVE WOMAN!!!!!!!)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia; All

Personnally, I think the biggest mistake we made in Afghanistan under President Bush was to allow Afghan sovereignty. Until the Taliban was comepletely destroyed and gone, we should never have allowed an “Afghan government.” We definitly should not have allowed Karzai to be the leader. We conquered that country out of the national security needs of our own. We didn’t do it for gain, but security. However, we always fail to call what we did what it is. We conquered a “government” that was hostile to us and actively harbored those that harmed us on 911.

IF we leave there now, we will cause more rogue groups to go after us because we are perceived as weak. We have to be ready to do what is not a desireable thing. We have to go on an offensive posture in Afghanistan and make it clear that WE are in charge not Karzai and we WILL use all force necessary to supress insurrection.(this is fantasy of course - we don’t have the will to do this - even absent Mr. Obama)

Of course the rogue soldier that killed civilians MUST be tried by us quickly, but it MUST in accordance with American Military Law.


12 posted on 03/15/2012 8:36:30 AM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Everyone should read about the British retreat from Kabul in 1842.


13 posted on 03/15/2012 8:37:14 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: dfwgator

That guy has cross hairs on the back of his neck. I wonder what he’s thinking.


14 posted on 03/15/2012 8:37:28 AM PDT by SMARTY ("The man who has no inner-life is a slave to his surroundings. "Henri Frederic Amiel)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

This is going to turn into a mad rush for the exits. Who wants to be the last allied soldier killed in toiletstan?


15 posted on 03/15/2012 8:37:39 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
I agree with Karzai.

Instead of having our armed troops sealing the eastern border of Afghanistan we should withdraw them and have our armed troops seal the southern border of the United States. Everybody wins!

16 posted on 03/15/2012 8:38:42 AM PDT by Gritty (It’s hard to win a war when you don’t have war aims - Mark Steyn)
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To: cunning_fish

Is Karzai still guarded by Americans? If so, first US troops withdrawn should be his security detail.


17 posted on 03/15/2012 8:38:45 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

All the way back to the USA seems fine to me.


18 posted on 03/15/2012 8:40:25 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Yeah, so they can become mortar fodder.

How about we pull back to Kuwait and then to the USA.


19 posted on 03/15/2012 8:42:14 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (Liberalism: Carrying adolescent values and behavior into adult life.)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
Given the current administration in Washington, who didn't see this coming?
FallofSaigon
20 posted on 03/15/2012 8:42:14 AM PDT by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: Gaffer
Orbiting high up is a B-2 or two or three loaded to the gills with nuclear ALCMs waiting for the all clear sign.

I would advise that they wait about a week...then drop all the ordnance on the abandoned bases - it would be similar to hunting deer over a corn pile.

21 posted on 03/15/2012 8:42:53 AM PDT by Abundy
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

I agree.
Pull back to our military bases in the US....
via Iran.
Pull the plug on this region and let these ignorant savages fend for themselves. Cut a Sherman Swath thru Tehran and set the Israelies up to crystalize the rest.

There is no fixin’ these animals.


22 posted on 03/15/2012 8:46:00 AM PDT by bossmechanic (If all else fails, hit it with a hammer)
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To: Abundy

Given what happened in Iraq, I’d say max 36-48 hours...otherwise, good plan.


23 posted on 03/15/2012 8:49:20 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: onedoug

Looking for the VC, we carpet bombed the s^%$ out of S. Viet Nam…..BUT the S. Vietnamese sat there and endured it, because they knew they’d be free once we destroyed the Commies.

The instant we left, they took their own lives in their hands (and near certain death at sea)… they headed for the coast in the tens of thousands! They braved the open ocean in unseaworthy craft on anything that would float, to get out of their own country, because they knew the Communists were on the way and they knew what THAT meant!!

Think of it, the S. Vietnamese for 10 years, willingly sat still for the most devastating, destructive, deadly and terrifying bombing the world had ever seen…but hauled a$# out of their own country the instant they knew NOTHING stood between them and the Communists!

Are Afghanistan’s neighbors prepared for the flood of refugees that will crowd over their borders when we leave?

We’ll see.


24 posted on 03/15/2012 8:49:37 AM PDT by SMARTY ("The man who has no inner-life is a slave to his surroundings. "Henri Frederic Amiel)
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To: dfwgator

My theory is that Obama authorized the Afghanistan surge for 3 main reasons: to bleed out our troops, money, and ammunition; to make sure there aren’t enough troops in the US to protect us from a SHTF scenario here; and to provide both Afghanistan and Pakistan an excuse to drop their alliance with the USA (which was forced on them by Rumsfeld threats and which keeps them from being able to go full sharia).

So now Afghanistan is mad at us; the plan is working like a charm. But in order for Obama’s multiple plans to work we’ve got to get a LOT of soldiers killed so there aren’t many to come back to the USA and protect us here. Either that needs to happen in Afghanistan, or we’ve got to send our troops to some other Muslim hell-hole where they will be massacred in an effort that will ultimately install a full-sharia government.

Soros wants to exploit Uganda’s oil, and that Kony2012 video went viral... I wonder if Uganda fits the template...


25 posted on 03/15/2012 8:49:47 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
President Hamid Karzai has been coddled long enough by the U.S. tax dollar and our success-defying Rules of Engagement. We should have wiped out the Poppy fields from the get go, back in 2011....Oh Noooo, that is 'their' only way of making a living... What utter embarrassments we've become in battle and in the eyes of the world....Thank You Obama for your disrespect of this nation. If this Emperor has no clothes on....neither do those who follow him.
26 posted on 03/15/2012 8:51:57 AM PDT by yoe
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To: dfwgator

And the first unit to pull back will be Karzy’s security detail.


27 posted on 03/15/2012 8:54:38 AM PDT by Let's Roll (Save the world's best healthcare - REPEAL, DEFUND Obamacare!)
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To: butterdezillion

Funny thing just now. As I was trying to read at http://in2eastafrica.net/give-us-more-government-posts-muslims-ask-museveni/ I was scrolling down the page and all of a sudden my computer decided to close down IE altogether. I got back on, copied the link and tried to open another window so I could post this post, and my computer again decided to close down IE.

I hate it when my computer gets a mind of its own. I’ll have to see if I can ever get into that site.

It was talking about somebody on March 4th saying that Musevini (the leader of Uganda’s current regime) should include more Muslims in government. I also remember seeing that Uganda has a 12% Muslim population. From a chart that somebody posted regarding how sharia demands Muslims push for sharia in their country, IIRC that level means they need to start pushing for sharia. I’ll have to see if I can find that post again.


28 posted on 03/15/2012 8:59:19 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Lets pull out and please do not leave any military stuff behind. If something we cannot take with us, burn. Let that crazy Muslim meet his fate at the hands of his so call loving people.


29 posted on 03/15/2012 9:01:38 AM PDT by Logical me
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
I would tell Karzai to pound in sand/opium. Moving the troops to centralized locations while still maintaining a presence is foolish. The Taliban will now have centralized locations to target. The crazies are still well armed (Arms provided by other crazy nations/tribes).

Either stick to the plan or do a massive pull-out pronto, now, not games where out troops are basically relegated to “a time out in the corner” while being targeted constantly. Bagram already has nightly mortar attacks. Once the weather gets better they are planning to unleash all they got on the base.

30 posted on 03/15/2012 9:04:16 AM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians)
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To: butterdezillion

Here’s a post that gives links to some posts which give my reasons for having this theory.

Note: The “Muslim agenda” that all branches of Islam agree on is the destruction of the US and Israel and the institution of worldwide sharia. Everything Obama has done since illegally taking office makes sense when you consider the 2 goals of the “Muslim agenda”, which Obama himself said he would work on

Here’s the post:

And I should also add that the Egyptian ambassador in 2010 appeared on Arab TV and said that Obama had told him privately that he was and still is a Muslim who supports the Muslim agenda.

A post about that is at http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2850278/posts?page=61#61 (and the follow-up comments add more to that as well)

Another post related to the surge in Afghanistan: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2851457/posts?page=24#24

A post about Ghadaffi’s comments about Obama - and how world Muslims donated legally (IOW, through donations by Mickey Mouse, etc) to get Obama elected, and how Obama should be proud of his Muslim faith: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2851793/posts?page=31#31

A post about the preparations to introduce sharia here: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2851136/posts?page=10#10


31 posted on 03/15/2012 9:06:43 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: rollo tomasi

Ah, but that would fulfill Obama’s objective, if my theory is correct. Put the troops all in one area as sitting targets and then the Taliban can off a bunch of them at once - allowing Afghanistan to get out of their anti-terrorism alliance with the US (which was forced on them by Rumsfeld) and go on with the Muslim agenda of full sharia in 100% Muslim countries.... while at the same time making sure that the USA has no soldiers to send back home to protect our own homeland in the event of a SHTF scenario (such as an EMP attack from Iran which would be used shortly before the election as the signal for Hezbollah operatives to begin the communist-Islamist coup here in the USA. Or black riots instigated by the unions. Or an economic collapse caused/timed by Soros’ communist and Islamist allies in his stated goal of destroying the USA and capitalism...)

I think it’s time for America to get serious about what this usurper in our White House is really after. He has told the Egyptian ambassador that he was and still is a Muslim who supports the Muslim agenda and that after he got Obamacare passed he would focus on the Muslim agenda. The Muslim agenda that all Muslims agree on is the destruction of the US and Israel and the institution of worldwide sharia.

And Obamacare begins that sharia process here in the US. It has the government dictate that Christians violate their own religious belief, and it has the government favor Islam over “infidels” by imposing a dhimmi tax on non-Muslims while exempting Muslims from having to obey Obamacare (Muslims get an exemption for conscience but Catholics/Christians don’t).

See the last couple posts I’ve posted on this thread for more links that show why I think Obama meant what he told the Egyptian ambassador, and what I think might be the next moves in that process.


32 posted on 03/15/2012 9:18:06 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Well, our primary mission in Effin-ghanistan was to get Bin Laden. We’ve gotten him, so it’s time to come home. Iraq had some sort of structure with which we could work, and have some measure of success, but E-stan just doesn’t have that.


33 posted on 03/15/2012 9:23:33 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

One of two things will happen:

All U.S. forces will leave Afghanifreakinstan and Karzai will either declare himself a member of the Taliban (if they’ll have him), and personally start lopping off the heads of ‘infidels’, or ...

Karzai will begin traveling with the Afghanistan Rugby Federation (which really exists) as a guest.

His head will anyway, being whacked from one end of the field to the other.

Couldn’t happen to a nicer guy.


34 posted on 03/15/2012 9:37:57 AM PDT by mkjessup (Jimmy Carter is the Skidmark in the panties of American history, 0bama is the yellow stain in front!)
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To: PapaBear3625

He is safe in Kuwait, they actually appreciate that we saved their butt in 91. Several of my buddies back from the sandbox have good things to say about them. Plus, we still have a large number of troops there.


35 posted on 03/15/2012 9:43:45 AM PDT by ClayinVA ("Those who don't remember history are doomed to repeat it")
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To: dfwgator

Ditto, pull out and let him see how long his sorry corrupt ass lasts afterwards.

They aren’t worth the dynamite it would take to blow them up.


36 posted on 03/15/2012 9:49:20 AM PDT by Sequoyah101 (Half the people are below average.)
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To: Gaffer

It is a nice thought but the only practical way out is by road through Pakistan. We have thousands and thousands of vehicles in there. I don’t think an airlift would get it done. I also don’t think we should leave a damn thing there but maybe glass.

Another retreat for the United States from another war we should have never waged and another war we were never going to be allowed to win. A trillion dollars shot, lives lost and thousands maimed for life. Yet another American tragety and humiliation.


37 posted on 03/15/2012 9:54:55 AM PDT by Sequoyah101 (Half the people are below average.)
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To: Sequoyah101

I’ll take your points....I like the glass part....I’ve said it before, nuke the cities, plains, mountaintops and valleys - all of them...one big glass mosaic....there is nothing redeeming to humanity there. Savages.


38 posted on 03/15/2012 9:59:38 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer

Afghanistan is the best argument on earth for starting a glass company. Couldn’t use the glass, though. For a long time. But, the location would be visible from space!


39 posted on 03/15/2012 10:01:10 AM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: combat_boots

My thinking is that UNICEF or whoever should ship in about a dozen planeload’s worth of pallets with 50,000 SPF sunblock for them....tell them they’d better get crackin’


40 posted on 03/15/2012 10:09:52 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: SMARTY

At least the Vietnamese are industrious and gregarious (in the south), totally unlike the barbarians in Afghanistan.

‘Been there twice. Beautiful country.


41 posted on 03/15/2012 10:10:26 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: Sequoyah101

I don’t think it was an accident.

I believe Bush went in with honest intentions, and until Obama usurped the presidency we were doing decent things in Afghanistan - mostly because we were drawing the terrorists into Iraq where we could better deal with them.

But I think Obama decided on the Afghanistan surge in order to specifically accomplish the three major objectives I listed at http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2859424/posts?page=25#25 . In follow-up comments I showed a few of my reasons for believing as I do.


42 posted on 03/15/2012 10:20:35 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: rightwingintelligentsia; xzins

Hamid Karzai is currently number 46 on the top 100 famous people most likely to die in 2012.

I’d say that after this announcement he will probably be moving up to the top 10.


43 posted on 03/15/2012 10:53:21 AM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Amen, pull them back to bases in the US. Let Karzai negotiate with the Taliban.


44 posted on 03/15/2012 11:13:10 AM PDT by pallis
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Way past time to bring the U.S. military home from Afghanistan and stop pretending that Islamic countries can be civilized if only the U.S. military props up a government for long enough.

NEVER WORKS.


45 posted on 03/15/2012 3:12:50 PM PDT by DNA.2012
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To: butterdezillion

Indeed, there is a lot more going on here than we know. I fully believe there are are strategies being formulated in the White House that may even be making some of his cabinet members uneasy. But, being liberals they would never go public with any objections.


46 posted on 03/16/2012 10:02:54 AM PDT by Baynative (Please check this out - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFIcZkEzc8I)
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To: Baynative

The question is whether he’s making his chain of command uneasy enough that they will realize there is a foreign enemy combatant in the White House and they have a duty to protect the country and the troops below them FROM HIM.


47 posted on 03/16/2012 10:33:52 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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