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Forgerygate: Ignoring Arpaio's report is a scandal in itself
The Washington Times 24/7 ^ | 3-15-2012 | Jeffery Kuhner

Posted on 03/15/2012 10:52:58 AM PDT by Danae

s President Obama’s birth certificate a forgery? Sheriff Joe Arpaio of Maricopa County, Ariz., believes it is. He recently held a press conference in Phoenix to discuss the findings of a new 10-page report. Mr. Arpaio’s investigators have come to a stunning conclusion: The long-form birth certificate Mr. Obama released last year is a “computer-generated forgery.”

With the exception of The Washington Times, however, no major U.S. media outlet reported this bombshell story. The liberal press corps is desperately trying to suppress any discussion of Forgerygate — potentially one of the biggest scandals in American history. The media class is betraying its fundamental mission to pursue the truth.

“Based on all of the evidence presented and investigated, I cannot in good faith report to you that these documents are authentic,”

((snip))

The Washington Times story, written by Stephen Dinan, points out that Mr. Arpaio has called for Congress to investigate the matter. Think about this: A high-profile sheriff orders a team of former law enforcement officials to examine whether the president is truly a natural born citizen and that he has the constitutional and legal right to occupy the White House. Their official report is that Mr. Obama’s documents are shoddy and he likely engaged in deliberate fraud. And yet, most of the American press corps doesn’t believe this is an important news story? The liberal media has become rotten to the core.

Ironically, the foreign press reported widely on the story. For example, Pravda — that’s right, the former official organ of the Soviet Communist Party — did an extensive analysis of Mr. Arpaio’s findings. The article by Dianna Cotter asks the obvious question: What are U.S. journalists afraid of?

Read more at: http://times247.com/articles/forgerygate-ignoring-arpaio-s-report-is-a-scandal-in-itself

(Excerpt) Read more at times247.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: arpaio; birthcertificate; birthers; certifigate; diannacotter; eligibility; forgery; forgerygate; kerkorian; naturalborncitizen; obama; sheriffjoe; treason
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To: GOPJ

Thanks for the vid. (post #69) Everyone should really take a look. Very revealing.


151 posted on 03/16/2012 5:26:41 AM PDT by Leep (Dueling tag lines=don't worry,you'll be a vegetable guy soon<>It's gonna be a Newt day!)
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To: upcountry miss

Is there not anyone higher up the food chain that you know and could get this info in front of and just ask the question ‘doesn’t this look fraudulent?’

We need this to crack open.


152 posted on 03/16/2012 5:43:22 AM PDT by spacejunkie2001
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To: Smokeyblue; little jeremiah; LucyT

I agree with you.

Whoever is threatened should coordinate with others and come out, expose the thugs and perhaps, with evidence, sue the bastards.

If that happens, the MSM, the liberal courts and the communist thugs will have to be fought tooth and nail.

When this nightmare is over, many “entities” should be outlawed. To anyone who says “we can’t do that, what about the Constitution and first amendment?” I say no more first amendment insurance policy to fight the first amendment and since the traitors shredded the Constitution, they won’t be allowed to seek its protection, period.

The vicious circle of using the shredded Constitution as protection for communists and dictator-wannabees should be broken. No more constitutional protection to be used against We The People by communist political terrorists who want to destroy the Republic.


153 posted on 03/16/2012 5:57:47 AM PDT by melancholy (Professor Alinsky, Enslavement Specialist, Ph.D in L0w and H0lder)
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To: Smokeyblue

You are NOT the only one fed up with “oooh, they’ve been threatened, poor things”. I though years ago when the threats against the media first was mentioned by Hagman that all they have to do is gang up togehter, have a press conference, and state how they were threatened.

Media people, gov people, whoever. Strength in numbers and making a public revelation of it.

Now is the time for them to shake of their fear because now we are ALL threatened!


154 posted on 03/16/2012 6:47:26 AM PDT by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell. Signed, a fanatic)
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To: Smokeyblue
“You see these dictators on their pedestals, surrounded by the bayonets of their soldiers and the truncheons of their police. Yet in their hearts there is unspoken - unspeakable! - fear. They are afraid of words and thoughts! Words spoken abroad, thoughts stirring at home, all the more powerful because they are forbidden. These terrify them. A little mouse - a little tiny mouse! -of thought appears in the room, and even the mightiest potentates are thrown into panic.” ― Winston S. Churchill

Good quote! I know they are afraid!

155 posted on 03/16/2012 6:55:09 AM PDT by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell. Signed, a fanatic)
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To: spacejunkie2001
The ‘year’ in the pica stamp is one solid piece of rubber with four numbers on it. No one else’s stamp is ‘80’, it’s 1980, 1981, 1979, etc. etc.

OK, I stand corrected. I was visualising something like the usual 'settable' date stamp.

156 posted on 03/16/2012 7:43:26 AM PDT by Grut
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To: GGMac

Thanks GGMac! At the very least I am not giving up. I have been at this too long, and now that I am finally getting some attention on what I write, now is not the time to give up. Now is the time to rejoice and sing the truth!

Have a great day!

~D


157 posted on 03/16/2012 7:46:45 AM PDT by Danae (Anail nathrach, ortha bhais is beatha, do cheal deanaimh)
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To: little jeremiah

Thanks LJ, something tells me that now is the time to take a deep breath. From here the roller coaster looks like it might get a little interesting LOL


158 posted on 03/16/2012 7:48:07 AM PDT by Danae (Anail nathrach, ortha bhais is beatha, do cheal deanaimh)
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To: upcountry miss
When you hit the date stamp to the paper, what is the typical mechanical action?

For example:

Do you hit the bottom of the stamp to the paper first, and then roll forward making sure the top is pressed upon the paper? Does the bottom of the stamp typically make contact first, absorbing much of the energy of the initial strike?

159 posted on 03/16/2012 7:51:14 AM PDT by PA-RIVER
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To: Spaulding
Minor is positive law.
Minor can't be positive law. Positive law is passed legislation. Minor was a court decision and is common law, that being precedent by decision.
160 posted on 03/16/2012 8:31:46 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: PA-RIVER; upcountry miss
When you hit the date stamp to the paper, what is the typical mechanical action?
What "mechanical action" is there in the hand stamp in question?
There are no "moving parts", but there are "removable parts".
161 posted on 03/16/2012 8:45:14 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: PA-RIVER; upcountry miss

Isn’t motor action, or motor function, what you’re asking about instead of mechanical action.


162 posted on 03/16/2012 8:56:11 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: LucyT

I have posted about this before here in FR.

One of our lifelong friends is very close with ex secret service living in Northern California.

When I was doing my research of Obama in 2008 and trying to get the word out to stop this ‘EVIL’ man from being elected, I was talking to this friend.

He said these ex secret service men had contacts with the SS who were protecting candidate Obama. I remember thinking these conversations were happening while in flight.

They said what Obama and his team had planned for us was nothing like we had ever seen in our lives.

You can put that aside and say well it is gossip. But, really after seeing Obama in action it is hard to forget. It sent chills up and down my spine because I knew Obama already and it did not mean he had good plans for America.

One other thing I think many of us listened to and thought it was nothing was the caller to Michael Savage right after the election. He said he worked on Obama’s campaign and after the win he was invited to a meeting in Chicago.

He proceeded to say what Obama and team had planned. More money than they would ever need. One party rule. Army of democrat Patronage system that will completely freeze out republicans.

Smoking Gun: Democrat Insider Says “Obama Has Secret Plan to Fund a Patronage System” http://is.gd/fu2g8j

Obama is the Devil’s spawn.


163 posted on 03/16/2012 9:12:05 AM PDT by OafOfOffice (W.C:Socialism:Philosophy of failure,creed of ignorance,gospel of envy,the equal sharing of misery)
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To: AuntB

Here’s how the New York Times operates... watch and weep:

It’s an undercover tape - one of the men you’ll hear is connected to the New York Times...

Maybe CBS is starting to get off the MSM plantation... good thinking if they want to survive.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBFOmUXR080


164 posted on 03/16/2012 9:22:01 AM PDT by GOPJ (Democrat-Media Complex - buried stories and distorted facts... freeper 'andrew' Breitbart)
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To: philman_36
I'm a golfer and an engineer. Electrical, Mechanical and computer. In my mind, I see the arm and hand as a mechanical device. I see all things from an engineering perspective.

The human mind, the human hand is very precise, and repetitive in nature.

Some part of the stamp will hit first. No stamp will hit perfectly flush and flat every time. The outside edge of a stamp will always hit first.

Thus, some part of the rubber stamp will take the initial brunt force of energy, millions of times when stamping.

With energy, any force will be negated by an opposing and equal force. That force is absorbed into the face of the rubber stamp, basically giving it a slight concave shape after millions of strikes and rolls with the wrist.

So, we add 2008 to a stamp in January, and strike it 100,000 times, either rolling bottom to top, or top to bottom. After some time, the numerical values 2008 on the stamp face of 2008 begins to round, but it will still print because of the impact force and mechanical rolling action applied by the postal workers arm and hand. The lower portion of 2008 will be slightly depressed when compared to the upper portion of 2008 because it is closer to the edge.

Now, take a look at the 80 in the stamp on Obamas SS card. Why is the top of 80 clipped or missing? It is because it is in fact the lower edge of 2008, the part that hit the paper first, millions of time, absorbing much more energy than the top of 2008. It is slightly crushed from millions of hits toward the outer edge of the stamp when it was used in 2008. Now that it is flipped over to form 80, it's top edge fails to make contact with the paper because it is in fact the crushed side of 08.

The Stamp was probably taken from that Hawaii post office in late 2008.

The SS registration is clearly forged.

165 posted on 03/16/2012 9:37:54 AM PDT by PA-RIVER
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To: PA-RIVER

Please replace the word Concave with Convex on my last post ... Anyway, It clearly explains why the top edge of 80 is missing. The stamp is worn in a convex manner, 2008 is then flipped with the higher edge toward the outer edge of the stamp.


166 posted on 03/16/2012 9:49:03 AM PDT by PA-RIVER
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To: Danae
I'm on Spring Break in AZ watching the Texas Rangers at spring training. I picked up a free copy of the 16-page Gilbert Independent (Wed. March 14, 2012) and saw this letter.

Uploaded from the Photobucket Android App

167 posted on 03/16/2012 9:49:31 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: Danae; Fantasywriter

I think Fantasywriter’s analogy of the dam being breached is accurate (of course what do I know, an ant!). Arpaio is a hero as is everyone who has worked on Zero’s background and non-eligibility for all these horrible years. And heroines!


168 posted on 03/16/2012 9:49:31 AM PDT by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell. Signed, a fanatic)
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To: melancholy; butterdezillion; little jeremiah

I feel a little uncomfortable with my post at #129 and just want to clarify something.

I was wrong to make blanket statements. I was speaking about the “conservative media” as a monolith not individuals who are or could be at great personal risk.

It is easy for me to talk. Since I put nothing past these people in power I’m not one of the one’s under the duress.

I pray that anyone dealing with this cabal is kept safe and unharmed.

My reason for posting on this topic is to be one more voice in support for the rule of law and the constitution.

I think Sheriff Joe needs and deserves all the support he can get.


169 posted on 03/16/2012 10:27:50 AM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: philman_36
First, let me state that I have been retired 25+ years, things are waaay different now, but I was postmaster in 1980 and computerized receipts were in the future then. The hand date stamper then was just as its name-a circular dating device hooked to a dowel-like handle. Nothing mechanical. You pick up the dater and hit the spot on the receipt you are dating. The daters were protected devices locked up at night and if one was misplaced, we searched til it was found and if one needed to be replaced the old one was returned to our Sectional Center for accountability. Not saying that it had exceptional security, just that we wouldn't take the theft of one lightly.

Can't believe the Sheriff or some of his investigators haven't noticed the very strange placement of the 80 on that form. I think he has and isn't revealing that yet.

I also believe that Postal Inspectors would find that date very INTERESTING. Have worked with Postal Inspectors during Geo. H.W. Bush's term when he would receive hate mail (fairly often) or suspicious looking packets and various other unrelated incidences -mailbox tampering, theft by postal workers (all too frequent) and I have found the Inspectors to be very efficient and professional. Unfortunately any Inspectors I was acquainted with have long since retired.

To a postal worker, that is such an obvious, glaring forgery I truly believe somebody is looking into it but have to wonder how the forger thought it would pass close inspection.

170 posted on 03/16/2012 10:32:28 AM PDT by upcountry miss
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To: little jeremiah

Thanks, lj. Your words mean a lot to me. Arpaio is a hero. He put it all on the line, and he is ready to take the flak. The usual moonbat cr*p won’t work on him. He literally faces death daily, and if a few limp-wristed lefties think they can intimidate him, their delusions warrant a net, white-jacketed attendants, and a snugly fitted straightjacket.

Danae is a hero too. Getting this kind of piece in a major paper/news outlet, when you’re not a big name journalist, takes guts, determination and stand-out talent. Plus, when you start kicking the snow around near the top of a slope, you never know when an avalanche may ensue. Hats off to Danae’s tenacity and bold initiative: it’s just what we needed, exactly when we needed it.


171 posted on 03/16/2012 10:32:46 AM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: Smokeyblue
I feel a little uncomfortable with my post at #129 and just want to clarify something.

I understood what you said. No clarification needed.

Thank you for dotting the Is and crossing the Ts.

172 posted on 03/16/2012 10:41:54 AM PDT by melancholy (Professor Alinsky, Enslavement Specialist, Ph.D in L0w and H0lder)
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To: PA-RIVER
That's it. I have been studying that 80 on the postmark and trying to figure out what was strange about it.Of course, I have seen this “crushing” happen many, many times but didn't realize that was what I was looking at-just thought the top of the 80 looked unnatural.

The placement of the year date way to the right instead of in the middle is such a dead give-away to a forgery also. Although Lucy pings me to BC articles, I think this is the first one that my attention has been drawn to this postmark and if there are Postal Inspectors on Free Republic, why in heavens name aren't you looking into this.

173 posted on 03/16/2012 10:56:12 AM PDT by upcountry miss
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To: upcountry miss

So you agree, with 20 plus years of experience, that the outer edges get crushed a little?

So now we have the 08 flipped, with the “more crushed” edge on top of 80. And that is the WRONG SIDE. It’s a Forgery.


174 posted on 03/16/2012 11:20:13 AM PDT by PA-RIVER
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To: PA-RIVER

Of course! With the year plug only being changed once a year, it gets lots of pressure on the outer edge.

But the first two digits being eliminated is so obviously a forgery, I can’t believe this was an over sight by the forger, so why was it forged in this manner?


175 posted on 03/16/2012 11:50:47 AM PDT by upcountry miss
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To: Spaulding

You have mail! :)


176 posted on 03/16/2012 12:01:56 PM PDT by Danae (Anail nathrach, ortha bhais is beatha, do cheal deanaimh)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

HAHA! Ain’t gonna do em much good. That much I know LOLZ


177 posted on 03/16/2012 12:05:01 PM PDT by Danae (Anail nathrach, ortha bhais is beatha, do cheal deanaimh)
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To: PA-RIVER
Man, all kinds of impossible explanations are being offered, each more ludicrous than the last.

You did give it your best shot.

178 posted on 03/16/2012 12:14:22 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: upcountry miss
Abbreviated and inverted “Convex crushed year insert” syndrome. A forgers nightmare.

The top of 80 gets clipped because it never touches the paper because it's a crushed and inverted 08.

80 top edge clipping mystery solved.

179 posted on 03/16/2012 12:17:17 PM PDT by PA-RIVER
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To: upcountry miss
Can't believe the Sheriff or some of his investigators haven't noticed the very strange placement of the 80 on that form.
It was noted. There is a video of it as well.

@Selective Service

Would you please post some comments after you view the video?

180 posted on 03/16/2012 12:21:21 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: PA-RIVER; upcountry miss
BTW, you don't explain how the "19" is missing.
Or do you think that the year stamp is only two numbers despite it being proven that they're 4 number inserts.
181 posted on 03/16/2012 12:31:14 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36

I hit the bulls eye Pal. Top edge of 80 is bottom edge of 08. 2008 is in the stamper for 9 months, with the lower edge getting hammered a few hundred times a day, with the outer edge taking more blunt force pressure than the inner part. Our postal worker agrees that the stamp edges get crushed, lowering the outer portions of the insert.


182 posted on 03/16/2012 12:32:48 PM PDT by PA-RIVER
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To: upcountry miss

By my and others guesses the forger had two days to make it ...Obie was on the news saying he had registerd for the draft in 1979 (actually 80) so immediately people began searching for records...

On Sept. 7, 2008, Obama appeared on ABC’s “This Week with George Stephanopoulos,” and stated, “I had to sign up for Selective Service (SS) when I graduated from high school … And I actually always thought of the military as an ennobling and, you know, honorable option. But keep in mind that I graduated in 1979. The Vietnam War had come to an end. We weren’t engaged in active military conflict at that point. And so, it’s not an option that I ever decided to pursue.”

FOIA requests were made in October and the SS computer showed an access date of September 9, 2008..thus the two days to come up with something...


183 posted on 03/16/2012 12:35:18 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: PA-RIVER
I hit the bulls eye Pal.
No, PAL, you didn't. You made an observation that anybody who has ever worked with a stamp of any kind knows happens.

What you have not done is explain why the "19" isn't there so you get no brownie points.

184 posted on 03/16/2012 12:37:19 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36

The 20 was cut out of the insert with a razor. Hello???


185 posted on 03/16/2012 12:42:02 PM PDT by PA-RIVER
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To: philman_36
I hit the bulls eye, Pal.

Wake up and smell the subscript and kerning.

186 posted on 03/16/2012 12:46:48 PM PDT by PA-RIVER
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To: PA-RIVER
The 20 was cut out of the insert with a razor. Hello???
So where is the "19"?
You're making your argument solely on the aspect of the 80/08 insert and completely disregarding the missing "19".
Shouldn't the year be 1980 and not just 80?
187 posted on 03/16/2012 12:48:28 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: PA-RIVER

Correct. According to Zullo, they could NOT find a 1980 stamp so they had to use the 2008 stamp. Hence, cutting off the 20 and inserting 08 upside down. They stuck it on the end instead of the middle of the insert without thinking about how it would look offset like it is.


188 posted on 03/16/2012 12:53:57 PM PDT by spacejunkie2001
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To: philman_36

Where’s the 19?

There is no 19 because there is no 19. Got it?

Every other stamp out of that office in 1980 had 1980 because they were stamped in 1980. This forgery was stamped in 2008.


189 posted on 03/16/2012 12:56:30 PM PDT by PA-RIVER
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To: PA-RIVER
It's a simple question...Shouldn't the year be 1980 and not just 80?
190 posted on 03/16/2012 1:01:42 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36

Yes, that is Correct. There should be a 1980.

The clipped edge of 80 proves it is a used and inverted 2008 insert with 20 cut off. There is no 19 because it wasn’t stamped with 1980.

Simple question. Do you think this is a forgery or not?


191 posted on 03/16/2012 1:09:10 PM PDT by PA-RIVER
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To: upcountry miss

“Of course! With the year plug only being changed once a year, it gets lots of pressure on the outer edge.”

Thank you Miss, your input is much appreciated.


192 posted on 03/16/2012 1:13:35 PM PDT by PA-RIVER
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To: philman_36

Three Simple questions.

Should the top of 80 be printed with ink on the 8 and 0?

Why would the top edge of both numbers be missing? (Hint: Inverted 08 after 9 moths of pounding on lower edge. Are you seeing this?)

Is the Docment a fraud?


193 posted on 03/16/2012 1:21:09 PM PDT by PA-RIVER
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To: PA-RIVER
Yes, that is Correct. There should be a 1980.
Thanks for answering the question. My apologies for my insistence. There are some claiming that the stamp didn't have to be four numbers.

Do you think this is a forgery or not?
I believe there is very strong evidence of it being a forgery. Namely because of the missing 4 number year stamp.

So let me ask you this, you being an engineer and all...
If one were to "roll" a flat stamp, as you suggested earlier, then isn't it logical that the outside edges of the stamp would be what was worn away instead of what was in the middle and which would have an even pressure exerted upon it?

194 posted on 03/16/2012 1:29:29 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: PA-RIVER

See 194.


195 posted on 03/16/2012 1:30:31 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: PA-RIVER
@Selective Service

See how bold the numbers in the center are?
The outside is generally worn or light, not the inserts in the middle.

196 posted on 03/16/2012 1:40:58 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: PA-RIVER
If a single, sharp downward strike was used, as is the usual method for such a stamp, then I can understand the outer edge being a lighter inking and somewhat ineligible, especially if the stamp were not cleaned properly before storage.
The outer ring of the stamp would be used far more often than the individual inserts in the middle and would wear down quicker. The inserts are changed more often and would remain clearer if a downward strike were made.

I just can't see your "rolling" method and explanation as viable. That type of stamp simply isn't used in the manner in which you prescribe.

197 posted on 03/16/2012 1:59:00 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36

We agree that its a forgery.

We agree the outside of the stamp would be worn more.

The botom edge of 08 will be crushed down when compared to the top edge.

When stamped as 2008, it will still work.

When stamped is flipped as 80, it will be crushed just enough not to print because the high side will now be on the outer edge. The inner edge of 80 will be to low to contact the paper.

This is just more evidence to back Arpiao.


198 posted on 03/16/2012 2:15:28 PM PDT by PA-RIVER
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To: PA-RIVER
The botom edge of 08 will be crushed down when compared to the top edge.
How? Rolling the stamp wouldn't "crush" the 08 as only the outer edges would take any damage and striking wouldn't "crush" the 08 as the weight would be evenly distributed.

Sorry, your explanation just doesn't make sense.
I'm done. Believe as you will.

199 posted on 03/16/2012 2:37:16 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36

Eventually it will make sense to you.

When you smash a stamp you can’t hit it flush every time. That causes uneven wear. That extra concentrated wear is to the outside of 2008. Flip it inward and the inner edge will not print.

Pretty basic. It validates Arpaio conclusion.

The forger could not order a new 2008 insert. He might get caught.


200 posted on 03/16/2012 3:44:46 PM PDT by PA-RIVER
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