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The Daily ^ | 03/15/2012 | Dan Hirschhorn

Posted on 03/16/2012 6:43:07 AM PDT by Mangia E Statti Zitto

As Rick Santorum desperately tries to make a dent in Mitt Romney’s formidable delegate lead, he faces an unlikely obstacle on the primary calendar: his home state of Pennsylvania.

Yes, Santorum is currently favored — though hardly a lock — to win the popular vote in the state he represented in Congress for 16 years.

But Pennsylvania’s non-binding primary rules for distributing delegates raise the prospect that Santorum, who has said he’ll win the vast majority of the state’s delegates, could actually come away from next month’s primary empty-handed at a time when he can ill-afford it.

Which means the April 24 primary could represent yet another chance for Romney — who kicked off his Pennsylvania campaign this week by trotting out supportive Republican leaders — to finally deal Santorum a knockout blow.

"Winning the state doesn’t mean you get the delegates,” said Alan Novak, a former state GOP chairman who’s supporting Romney. “Most of the delegates will be political professionals, and it’s not their first rodeo.”

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: delegatesnotstates; elections; emptysuit; flawednewt; flawlessrick; lostby18pointsinpenn; proillegalsrick; prounionsrick; rick4condomczar; rickendorsedspector; santorum; santorumfanatics; santorumvsteaparty; spectorvote0bamacare; stupidparty; teaparty; teaparty4newt; wasteofvote
Sounds like the establishment is up to their old tricks in Pennsylvania.
1 posted on 03/16/2012 6:43:15 AM PDT by Mangia E Statti Zitto
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To: Mangia E Statti Zitto
"Winning the state doesn’t mean you get the delegates,” said Alan Novak, a former state GOP chairman who’s supporting Romney. “Most of the delegates will be political professionals, and it’s not their first rodeo.”

Michigan's former GOP chair (Saul Anuzis) agrees.

The Michigan Republican Party (MRP) Credentials Committee voted 4-2 last night to give Mitt Romney both of the state's at-large delegates, State Policy Committee Chair Mike Cox told MIRS today.

Cox was one of two "no" votes on the committee which met via telephone, along with attorney Eric Doster The "yes" votes included GOP National Committeeman Saul Anuzis, a Romney supporter, and MRP Chair Bobby Schostak.

That would put the delegate split at 16 for Romney and 14 for Rick Santorum, after each candidate won 14 delegates apiece in those divided by Michigan's 14 congressional districts.

As MIRS first reported on Wednesday, the MRP was delaying a final decision on the delegate split until after consulting with attorneys.

Cox said that according to the MRP rules, Santorum and Romney should each get one of Michigan's two at-large delegates based on their take of the popular vote.

"I supported Mitt, but the vote was clearly wrong," Cox said of the Credentials Committee. "It's kind of like Third World voting. We published rules and then we voted to change the rules."

Because The Narrative Cannot Survive A Rewrite

2 posted on 03/16/2012 6:47:00 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Mangia E Statti Zitto

They are going to force Romney down our throats whether we want him or not. This is so disgusting and transparent. They aren’t even being sneaky about it. This is the worst primary ever. I have not seen so much cheating done in another primary. I guess the Obama/Clinton primary had some cheating but not anything like this.


3 posted on 03/16/2012 6:54:30 AM PDT by napscoordinator (A moral principled Christian with character is the frontrunner! Congrats Santorum!)
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To: Mangia E Statti Zitto

The delegates actually appear by name on the ballot in PA (as well as IL and WV). I THINK in IL they’re identified by which candidate they support, but I think that is not shown in PA, just their names.

If that’s the case, we need Santorum and Gingrich to publish the names of their PA delegates for every district. So if Santorum’s aren’t on the ballot, his supporters can vote for Newt’s instead. It makes no difference anyway, because neither one can win without going to a contested convention and they’re going to have to decide on a ticket to combine their support behind there.


4 posted on 03/16/2012 7:02:02 AM PDT by JediJones (The Divided States of Obama's Declaration of Dependence: Death, Taxes and the Pursuit of Crappiness)
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To: Mangia E Statti Zitto
The biggest problem with the Pennsylvania GOP is personified by our asshat Quisling GOP Chairman Rob Gleason.

It was Gleason who arm-twisted Santroum and brought in President Bush to back Arlen Specter against Pat Toomey in 2010.

It was Gleason who tried to recruit Tom Ridge and just about anybody else to run for the same seat six years later after Specter showed his true colors.

Worst of all, it was Gleason who single-handedly put the kibosh on Senator Pileggi's logical legislation to allocate Pennsylvania electoral votes on the same system as Maine and Nebraska, legislastion which has widespread support, even among wavering RINO leaning members of the legislature (until Gleason threatened them) and which Gov. Corbett was already pledged to sign.

It would actually be worth having Rick Santorum win our primary and not be awarded delegates if it would generate the revolution needed in the Pennsylvania GOP to oust Gleason and his backroom Quisling cohorts.

5 posted on 03/16/2012 7:09:50 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: napscoordinator

We need a tea party scale action. Let them know that we the people won’t accept Romney.

Office of the Chairman

Phone: 202-863-8700

Fax: 202-863-8820

Email: Chairman@gop.com

Office of the Co-Chairman

Phone: 202-863-8545Fax: 202-863-8631

Email: Info@gop.com


6 posted on 03/16/2012 7:10:52 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Mangia E Statti Zitto
Correction to my post #5:

It was Gleason who arm-twisted Santroum and brought in President Bush to back Arlen Specter against Pat Toomey in 20102004.

Sorry.

7 posted on 03/16/2012 7:18:34 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Mangia E Statti Zitto
As Rick Santorum desperately....

Romney started using "desperate" to describe Santorum after getting beaten by him in the south. Must be the new Mitt Meme.

8 posted on 03/16/2012 7:25:57 AM PDT by tbpiper
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The biggest problem with the Pennsylvania GOP is personified by our asshat Quisling GOP Chairman Rob Gleason.

How right you are, V-man!

Add to your list of Gleason sins his thuggery in making sure the 12th Congressional District stayed in the hands of Jack Murtha and the Murtha machine year after year by sabotaging every Republican candidate who ran.

For all practical purposes we have a Democrat serving as PA GOP Chairman.

9 posted on 03/16/2012 8:27:17 AM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: napscoordinator
Are you old enough to have lived through the Ford-Reagan primary of 1976? It was my first election and I was honored to be allowed to speak as a youth delegates backing Ronald Reagan at our county convention.

We had polled the floor delegates before the the speaking begin and found something like 80% of the rank and file was backing Reagan. As the largest county in the state, we knew the outcome of our county convention would be critical to the delegate assignment.

The state GOP chairman was from our county and a big Ford backer. In the end, even though we had fought the good fight, demonstrated overwhelming support from Reagan and finished the race, the state GOP chairman got up and told us basically this:

We appreciate the enthusiasm of our youth. However, it is not right to disrespect a sitting president. Under the established rules, I and my committee are charged with the task of assigning delegates in consultation with the county convention. Our decision before coming to this convention was to assign them all to President Ford. However, given the enthusiasm of our young people and others for Governor Reagan, we will split them 50%/50% as a compromise.

We got that much only because the conservatives were united behind one candidate. We don't even have that now.

10 posted on 03/16/2012 8:44:49 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: smoothsailing
Based on hours of volunteering on making phone calls from county GOP hq., in 2010, I'm convinced that Gleason or his lackeys sweet-talked Tim Burns into running against the Murtha machine because he feared Bill Russell, the 2008 nominee and outspoken conservative who still had his organization in place, might actually win.

Burns was a successful businessman and would have made a great representative, but a lot of the Russell people who I phoned were livid about how the party bosses basically bypassed the primary process to cut Russell off at the knees.

As it was, Mark Critz inherited the Murtha machine and won in what should have been in a 2010 a very winnable seat for the GOP.

McCain-Palin actually carried the district in 2008, as they did the neighboring 4th district which also re-elected Jason Altmire in 2010, another district which Gleason helped undermine.

Our only consolation is that at least one of these two fake Blue Dog Democrats will be gone next year since redistricting has put them into the same district. Personally, I find Altmire only slightly less annoying than Critz, but I'd like to see them both gone.

11 posted on 03/16/2012 9:07:30 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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I'm convinced that Gleason or his lackeys sweet-talked Tim Burns into running against the Murtha machine because he feared Bill Russell.

You're right about Gleason fearing Col. Russell, but it was actually Burns who sweet-talked Gleason by hinting he would self fund his own campaign and kick in bucks to other Gleason candidates.

Burns had planned on running for Senate, knowing he could outspend Peg Luksik in the primary. When Toomey announced late, Burns changed course and went for the House seat instead. He was a horrible fit for the 12th District and was destined to fail. Gleason got a threefer in Burns, a sure loser, free money, and Russell off his back.

12 posted on 03/16/2012 9:27:06 AM PDT by smoothsailing
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