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Zeroing In on Lead in Hunters’ Bullets
New York Times ^ | March 15, 2012 | DOUGLAS M. MAIN

Posted on 03/16/2012 7:24:49 AM PDT by Greystoke

Citing risks to birds and to human health, roughly 100 environmental groups formally asked the federal Environmental Protection Agency this week to ban or at least impose limits on lead in the manufacturing of bullets and shotgun pellets for hunting or recreation.

The use of such ammo by hunters puts about 3,000 pounds of lead into the environment annually and causes the death of 20 million birds each year from lead poisoning, said Jeff Miller, a conservation advocate at one of the groups, the Center for Biological Diversity. Consumption of meat from animals that are shot with lead bullets also contributes unacceptable levels of the metal into people’s diets, Mr. Miller said in a phone interview.

(Excerpt) Read more at green.blogs.nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: alinskytactics; ammo; backdoorguncontrol; banglist; corruption; democrats; envirofascism; epa; fraud; guncontrol; lead; leadbullets; liberalfascism; progressives; propaganda; undertheradar
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To: Greystoke

A solid ball of lead is NOT the same as unbound, free lead in solution. A solid ball of lead will remain a solid ball of lead for hundreds of years. Heck, in battlegrounds across the country, tourists are still finding lead balls used in battles fought during the civil war.

In nature, a lead pellet falls to the ground (usually marshlands) and sinks into the muck, and is eventually buried deep under the water - where it is, and remains chemically inert.

The same thing can be said for lead in leaded Glass - the lead is chemically bound to the Silicon Dioxide in the glass. It’s not a free to react ... it’s chemically bound. Unless you grind the glass into powder or melt it down - you aren’t going to get that lead back.

And what planet do Libtards think we mine lead, to bring back to earth?


21 posted on 03/16/2012 7:42:45 AM PDT by Hodar ( Who needs laws; when this FEELS so right?)
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To: Greystoke
Well-organized campaign of Leftist lies
22 posted on 03/16/2012 7:45:11 AM PDT by pabianice (")
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To: jboot

Actually, lead is free. Next time you go to your local gun club, pick up any bullets that have been fired laying around on the ground and smelt your own. My father did this when I was growing up and cast and swaged all of our bullets.

You can also get tons of free used wheel weights from tire repair shops.

Which brings up the matter of will these lead tire wheel weights also be banned?


23 posted on 03/16/2012 7:55:41 AM PDT by Greystoke
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To: Greystoke

Just wait, next the enviro-geeks will be demanding the U.S. Military ban lead in our soldiers weapons.


24 posted on 03/16/2012 7:57:55 AM PDT by gettinolder (Smashed lips save ships.)
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To: Greystoke

about 3,000 pounds of lead into the environment annually and causes the death of 20 million birds each year from lead poisoning, said Jeff Miller, a conservation advocate at one of the groups, the Center for Biological Diversity. Consumption of meat from animals that are shot with lead bullets also contributes unacceptable levels of the metal into people’s diets, Mr. Miller said in a phone interview...

Bullshite.

Unsubstantiated nonsense meant to scare the stupid...like Mr Miller, there....

Its an insulting pantload.


25 posted on 03/16/2012 8:01:21 AM PDT by Adder (Da bro has GOT to go!)
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To: Greystoke

They have tried this crap before and gotten nowhere.


26 posted on 03/16/2012 8:04:41 AM PDT by thethirddegree
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To: Greystoke

Where does lead come from?

The ground.

Where do bullets go that miss their target?

The ground.


27 posted on 03/16/2012 8:05:14 AM PDT by Fresh Wind ('People have got to know whether or not their president is a crook.' Richard M. Nixon)
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To: kingu

I think that is probably a low estimate. I just figured I shoot about 50 rounds a week of .45ACP alone. 230x50 is 11500 grains divided by 7000 is 1.64 pounds a week x 52 weeks is about 85 pounds of .45. I will also shoot another 50 through an AR or AK, plus various hunting rifles up to a .416, plus vast .22 bullets, then shotshells at 16 shots to a pound. I probably put 600 pounds out myself. I do my part though, and shoot some Barnes bullets (all copper) on a lot of big game. The whole idea is BS anyway.


28 posted on 03/16/2012 8:05:53 AM PDT by nobamanomore
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To: Greystoke

So the envirowhacks want to take on the NRA? Let ‘em try.
They are about to be destroyed by their own overreach anyhow.


29 posted on 03/16/2012 8:11:11 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Smokin' Joe

I wonder how many birds die every year from those stupid wind farms the liberals love so much?

Banning lead ammo is just another back door gun grabbing scheme by the lefties.


30 posted on 03/16/2012 8:20:43 AM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (I'm NOT smitten' with Mittens)
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To: Bushbacker1

Lead shot was banned for hunting migratory waterfowl in the late 70s or early 80s. With the ban many hunter’s shotguns, including mine became obsolete for hunting waterfowl and the effectiveness of the legal shells was less than lead and the cost jumped dramatically. I belive the real goal is to make ammunition, hunting and anything else having to do with firearms more expensive. Now they are even talking about no lead in ammunition that is used for traditional plinking and shooting sports, all the altertanatives are more expensive. Owning guns is a RIGHT and there should NO tax on firearms or ammunition and no regulations that would increase price or reduce effectiveness of ammunition. The intent of the Second Amendment is for the PEOPLE to be armed and this includes adequate supplies of ammunition. Cost of gasoline, food, and everything else going up and there are those trying to increase the cost of ammo to stop us from stockpiling. I believe President George Washington would approve of the PEOPLE stoclpiling arms and ammunition.


31 posted on 03/16/2012 8:22:32 AM PDT by duffee (NEWT 2012)
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To: Greystoke

Gee. There is ANOTHER heavy metal that can be used for tire balancing weights. It is called GOLD, although it may just be a little pricey. Most other inexpensive metals are too light to be practical.
Please don’t agree with me.


32 posted on 03/16/2012 8:23:30 AM PDT by CaptainAmiigaf ( NY Times: We print the news as it fits our views.)
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To: nobamanomore

How many times have you seen a sparrow eat a spent .45ACP or a 45/70 Govt.?


33 posted on 03/16/2012 8:27:37 AM PDT by duffee (NEWT 2012)
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To: Fresh Wind

Where do bullets go that miss their target?

Actually, any bullet that doesn’t remain in the target goes in the ground...
That includes post-cleaning, I would assume.


34 posted on 03/16/2012 8:30:06 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Greystoke

They already are...they have to use steel now .....at twice the price BTW.


35 posted on 03/16/2012 8:41:56 AM PDT by rightwingextremist1776
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To: Greystoke

What a load of crap. By my calculations 3,000 pounds of lead = 48,000 ounces = 1,344,000 grams. Divided among 20,000,000 birds equals .0672 grams per bird. Number six shotgun pellets weight about .5250 grams each. Therefore each pellet would have to divided into 7.8125 pieces and distributed at the rate of one serving per bird. In addition, that dosage would have to lethal. The size would be about .35MM each. Really!


36 posted on 03/16/2012 8:47:26 AM PDT by doubleaught (Once a king always a king but once a knight is enough!)
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation
I wonder how many birds die every year from those stupid wind farms the liberals love so much?

I dunno...the question was never answered when the Federal Prosecutor who was trying to prosecute seven oil companies in North Dakota over 28 dead birds found on drilling and producing locations (out of 6000+ locations) was asked about it.

You'd think if that was prosecuted with the vigor he tried to unleash on the oil companies involved ($15,000/bird, and jail time for someone responsible), they'd need unit trains to deliver the warrants for windfarms...

37 posted on 03/16/2012 9:00:14 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Greystoke
I have no problem with this. Make all bullets out of steel. Then, all rounds will be "armor piercing."

We need to have this bill drafted and passed right away, we can call it "the law of unintended consequences."

38 posted on 03/16/2012 9:06:41 AM PDT by Repeat Offender (While the wicked stand confounded, call me with Thy Saints surrounded)
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To: duffee

IMIM193 5.56 55gr is almost impossible to find and IMIM855 5.56 62gr is getting scarce.


39 posted on 03/16/2012 9:13:38 AM PDT by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: Greystoke

By now if you haven’t collected more ammo than you’ll ever need then you B real slow.
Everyone should know what obammy’s ultimate goal is.


40 posted on 03/16/2012 9:23:30 AM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) Hey Mitt, F-you too pal)
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