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To: imardmd1
Z then perhaps has a semi-official status (as would a volunteer fireman or Candy-stripe nurses'aide in their spheres, etc?). Yet his authorization to carry is not different than that of any other FL-licensed private citizen, including FL-licensed out-of-state individuals, like myself.

He has a concealed weapons permit. Here is the questionnaire you can use to determine if you are eligible

127 posted on 03/22/2012 4:03:45 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar
Z then perhaps has a semi-official status (as would a volunteer fireman or Candy-stripe nurses'aide in their spheres, etc?). Yet his authorization to carry is not different than that of any other FL-licensed private citizen, including FL-licensed out-of-state individuals, like myself. (imardmd1)

He has a concealed weapons permit. (according to kabar)

Under Florida law there exists no such thing as a permit to own a handgun.

Therefore, Zimmerman does not have a permit in Florida to own a handgun. It is not required.

That is, a Florida resident may walk into a store, select a handgun pass a background check, pay the money, and walk out of the store with the gun in a paper bag or other enclosure. Or he may encase it in a snapped holster, clip it on his belt in plain sight, and walk out onto the street. A Florida resident may buy or be given a handgun by another Florida resident, with no further documentation other than that of proof of ownership AFIK. In either case, there is no permitting or licensing required for the transfer of ownership.

In Florida, if one is not a person prohibited, upon application the State of Florida shall license a person to carry a deadly weapon concealed on or about his/her person.

Zimmerman was not a person prohibited.

Therefore, subsequent to submitting an application for a license to do so and meeting the requirements, Zimmerman was issued a document licensing him to carry a a deadly weapon concealed on or about his person.

In Florida, in preparation to learn how to pass a test for the automobile operator's license, the student/learner must qualify for and obtain a learner's (temporary) permit to drive a vehicle on the highway. The permit requires the learner to be accompanied by a licensed operator. Zimmerman was licensed to operate an auto.

Zimmerman's auto was separately licensed to operate on Florida's highways, and carried a license plate pertaining to it.

Therefore, both Ziimerman needed to be licensed as an operator, and his vehicle needed to be licensed to be operated on Florida highways.

A driving permit is not the same as a driving license.

In comparison:

Zimmerman was licensed to possess a handgun concealed on his person.

Zimmerman's handgun firearm was not required to be licensed or to have a document permitting it to be owned or used in Florida. Therefore, Zimmerman did not have a concealed weapons permit, in the correct technical sense.

Zimmerman had a license to carry a concealed deadly weapon on his person.

You will note that the application form you linked to is entitled "LICENSE" -- not "PERMIT."

His his CCDW had no connection with nor bearing on his appointment as a community watcher. It was just an ordinary citizens license to carry, which the State of Florida must issue not only for any Florida resident, but also for any citizen of the United State who qualifies for a Florida CCDW license.

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IN CONTRAST (and to the best of my knowledge, hastily and hazily):

At the time I lived in New York State, the rules were much stiffer. To possess a handgun firearm, a resident had to apply to the county court to obtain a permit to do so, with the gun paid for but held by the Federally Licensed Firearms Dealer. The serial number and description of the firearms bill of sale was then submitted with and clearly attached to the application for a Premises Permit of a particular residence or business, for the lowest and narrowest class of permit.

About other permits I cannot speak much. Each additional handgun needed to be individually approved and its description attached to the particular permit records of the owner. Thus, both the owner and each of his handguns must be permitted, as well as the permitted locality of the firearm.

If he was further permitted to carry a concealed deadly weapon about his person, it is himself and the gun permitted to him that is covered. Therefore, he has a concealed weapons permit.

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What is your question, and what is the point?

Are we communicating? Or am I just being dense, stupid, and boring?? I'm perplexed.

Though I will note that at the time I was licensed for CCDW in Florida, if potentially threatened, the licensee was required, not to stand his ground, but rather to make every effort to retire from the scene insofar as possible, unless blocked from further retreat.

That quite likely may have changed. Though again, only the living will testify as to what happened, but ......

With cordial regards ---

128 posted on 03/22/2012 10:12:07 PM PDT by imardmd1 (The truth shall make you, if not free, at least reasonable ...)
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