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911 Tapes of George Zimmerman Killing Trayvon Martin Released
opposingviews.com ^ | 20 March, 2012 | Mark Berman

Posted on 03/21/2012 8:54:46 AM PDT by marktwain

Police in Florida have released audio tapes of 911 calls regarding the killing of an unarmed black teenager by a white neighborhood watch volunteer.

George Zimmerman shot and killed 17-year-old Trayvon Martin during a confrontation inside Zimmerman's gated community in Sanford, Florida last month. Zimmerman claimed it was in self-defense, but Martin did not have a gun.

Following accusations that the shooting was racially motivated, the Justice Department announced Monday that it would investigate the shooting.

"He committed no crime. My son wasn’t doing anything but walking on the sidewalk," Martin's mother Sybrina Fulton said on the "Today Show," adding that she thinks Zimmerman targeted him because of "the color of his skin."

The first 911 call was that of Zimmerman calling to report a "suspicious" person:

911 Tapes of George Zimmerman Killing Trayvon Martin Released Share This Story article image Submitted by Mark Berman Opposing Views on Mar 20, 2012

Police in Florida have released audio tapes of 911 calls regarding the killing of an unarmed black teenager by a white neighborhood watch volunteer.

George Zimmerman shot and killed 17-year-old Trayvon Martin during a confrontation inside Zimmerman's gated community in Sanford, Florida last month. Zimmerman claimed it was in self-defense, but Martin did not have a gun.

Following accusations that the shooting was racially motivated, the Justice Department announced Monday that it would investigate the shooting.

"He committed no crime. My son wasn’t doing anything but walking on the sidewalk," Martin's mother Sybrina Fulton said on the "Today Show," adding that she thinks Zimmerman targeted him because of "the color of his skin."

The first 911 call was that of Zimmerman calling to report a "suspicious" person:

Another call is from a woman who said something is going on outside her house -- a person screaming for help. It can be heard in the background of the call. Presumably it is Martin:

911 Tapes of George Zimmerman Killing Trayvon Martin Released Share This Story article image Submitted by Mark Berman Opposing Views on Mar 20, 2012

Police in Florida have released audio tapes of 911 calls regarding the killing of an unarmed black teenager by a white neighborhood watch volunteer.

George Zimmerman shot and killed 17-year-old Trayvon Martin during a confrontation inside Zimmerman's gated community in Sanford, Florida last month. Zimmerman claimed it was in self-defense, but Martin did not have a gun.

Following accusations that the shooting was racially motivated, the Justice Department announced Monday that it would investigate the shooting.

"He committed no crime. My son wasn’t doing anything but walking on the sidewalk," Martin's mother Sybrina Fulton said on the "Today Show," adding that she thinks Zimmerman targeted him because of "the color of his skin."

The first 911 call was that of Zimmerman calling to report a "suspicious" person:

Another call is from a woman who said something is going on outside her house -- a person screaming for help. It can be heard in the background of the call. Presumably it is Martin:

Martin and Zimmerman:


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: banglist; fl; georgezimmerman; hoa; trayvonmartin
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To: Myrddin

IF a guy pulls a gun on me, I guess I could just wait for him to shoot me, or I could try to run until he shoots me in the back, or I could try to disarm him and then use the gun to hold him off.

You are right, we have no idea if the gun was visible, but the idea that the gun had to be hidden or Martin would have just stood there is false.

If you look at pictures of Zimmerman, he’s an imposing-looking guy. Zimmerman told the 911 operator that he was observed by Martin, who then started walking away toward the back entrance of the community.

Imagine this from Martin’s perspective. You are a teen in a community that isn’t your own neighborhood. You are walking back to the house you are staying at. A car pulls up slowly and is following you. There is a large mean-looking hispanic guy staring at you. As you walk, he follows you slowly.

You try to walk faster, and then the guy gets out of his car and starts coming after you.

Do you assume that the guy is a good guy who is coming to ask you questions, or do you assume the guy is coming to rob you? If the gun is showing, it just makes the situation more threatening.

BTW, a guy with a gun should not be approaching a suspect close enough to get into a fist fight, with the gun still holstered.

This could all be a tragic misunderstanding, but I don’t see how Zimmerman gets out of this as the “victim”. Once the 911 operator told Zimmerman NOT to follow the guy, Zimmerman lost his chance to claim “self-defense”, in my opinion.


51 posted on 03/21/2012 11:24:43 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: marktwain

Something to ponder;

Trayvon did not really live in the area. It was his father’s girlfriends house in the gated community. Trayvon was suspended from school for a week for some unknown offense. (His family refuses to elaborate) His family says he was there to get his head right. Zimmerman complained there were several break-ins over a few months time all unsolved. I wonder if there is a correlation between Trayvon’s visits to daddy and the break-ins. Zimmerman did state the kid was acting suspiciously. Even if Trayvon was the burglar it in no way excuses Zimmerman if he just executed this “kid”. Over time more will come out about all involved.


52 posted on 03/21/2012 11:26:06 AM PDT by shoff (Vote Democratic it beats thinking!)
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To: ngat
6’3” High school football player. Reportedly weighs 140. True or false?

Doesn't sound quite right. From my own experience, I was 6 ft tall, 112 lbs at age 12. By age 14 I was 135. Age 16 at 165. It took some years to lay on muscle over my skinny frame. At 17 I was up to 176 lb and burned back to 168 lb to be in a more competitive weight class in judo tournaments. The 140 lb weight for a 17 year old 6' 3" male doesn't seem reasonable for a "football" player. Our varsity high school football players were 200 to 220 lbs of solid muscle. Not much fun to face in the morning PE class.

53 posted on 03/21/2012 11:31:42 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: CharlesWayneCT
We have plenty of room for speculation. If Zimmerman had no reason to expect being physically assaulted by Martin, he may have walked in range to be hit with his weapon hidden/holstered. Zimmerman certainly placed himself in range and his interrogation of Martin may have provoked Martin. We still don't know which party escalated the interaction from verbal to physical. The coroner will have to identify whether Martin has physical "beating" damage on his body. If not, the physical evidence supports Martin beating Zimmerman and Zimmerman shooting Martin after being beaten. Presumably, Martin wasn't physically beating Zimmerman after being shot.
54 posted on 03/21/2012 11:41:06 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: CharlesWayneCT
Imagine this from Martin’s perspective. You are a teen in a community that isn’t your own neighborhood. You are walking back to the house you are staying at. A car pulls up slowly and is following you. There is a large mean-looking hispanic guy staring at you. As you walk, he follows you slowly.

You try to walk faster, and then the guy gets out of his car and starts coming after you.

Do you assume that the guy is a good guy who is coming to ask you questions, or do you assume the guy is coming to rob you? If the gun is showing, it just makes the situation more threatening.

Martin was on the phone with his girlfriend when the incident started and ending just before he was shot. Given her account of the phone call, it would seem it went down more or less as you speculate. According to this article:

The lawyer [Benjamin Crump], who took an affidavit from the girl, quotes the girl on the cellphone as saying that Trayvon was walking home from the store and had temporarily taken refuge from the rain. He then began walking again, when he tells her, according to Crump, "I think this dude is following me."

"She tells him, 'baby, be careful, just run home,' " Crump said.

According to the girl, Trayvon says, "I think I lost him" then moments later says, "He is right behind me again. I'm not going to run, I'm going to walk fast."

Crump said "she hears another voice, 'What are you doing around here?' Trayvon says, 'Why are you following me?' " At that point, according to the girl, Travyon is pushed and his voice changes.

"She hears the altercation, suddenly, someone just hit the phone, because that's the last she hears," Crump said. She did not hear the shooting.

So, it would appear Zimmerman created the situation by threatening Martin. As such, his use of deadly force was not covered by the law. It's looking like Murder II at least.

This could all be a tragic misunderstanding, but I don’t see how Zimmerman gets out of this as the “victim”. Once the 911 operator told Zimmerman NOT to follow the guy, Zimmerman lost his chance to claim “self-defense”, in my opinion.

I agree.

55 posted on 03/21/2012 11:51:10 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: cynwoody
So, it would appear Zimmerman created the situation by threatening Martin. How did he threaten him?
56 posted on 03/21/2012 12:04:24 PM PDT by Ratman83
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To: marktwain

Jonatha Carr is listed as the funeral contact for Martin and is possibly the women who flipped out in the FAU “student threatens to kill professor” video.


57 posted on 03/21/2012 12:14:19 PM PDT by struggle (http://killthegovernment.wordpress.com/)
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To: marktwain

Have you seen this one? Eyewitness “John” says he saw Trayvon on top of Zimmerman.

Man shot and killed in neighborhood altercation
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/seminole_news/022712-man-shot-and-killed-in-neighborhood-altercation#ixzz1phFMGCu4

That’s from last Wednesday, before this became a racial brouhaha.


58 posted on 03/21/2012 12:15:55 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: struggle

Has anyone been charged yet in the beating death of a FAMU band member?
I note the students from FAMU attending the Martin rallies in Seminole Co..


59 posted on 03/21/2012 12:29:43 PM PDT by GOYAKLA (Recall/ Impeachment Day, November 6, 2012. FUBO)
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To: marktwain; All

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2861754/posts


60 posted on 03/21/2012 12:59:56 PM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: marktwain

Sorry, but from what I have seen, looks like an overzealous wanna be cop, confronted someone for simply walking the street, and created a confrontation.

I sure as hell am not jumping to Zimmerman’s defense on this one, and think anyone who is, with what is known at this point is a fool.

Reminds me of the case where the idiot gun owner shot a kid in the back and killed him for playing doorbell ding and dash. Same damned arguments being used by those who tried to defend that idiot as well, oh he was a big kid, blah blah blah.

Reality is, like it or not, not every gun owner is remotely responsible or smart. What was a neighborhood watch volunteer doing confronting anyone, he reported it to the cops, and move on, but this guy clearly did not do that... From what I can see he attempted to directly confront the guy.

It’ll be interesting to see how this ends up, but I have a strong feeling Zimmerman is not a victim, but probably got too big for his britches, decided to confront the guy and when things didn’t go his way, shot him.

But I feel anyone jumping blindly to Zimmerman’s defence with what has been released so far, is a fool. We’ll see what the facts bring, but at present, he sure doesn’t look like some innocent victim to me.


61 posted on 03/21/2012 1:08:40 PM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: CharlesWayneCT
“Imagine this from Martin’s perspective.”

As long as we are imagining things, let us imagine it from Zimmerman's perspective.

Your community has been hit by a rash of burglaries committed by young black males. You see one wandering around and you call the police as you have done 46 times before during the last several months.

The young black man goes out of your sight from where you can drive, so you leave the car to keep him in sight. The police are on their way, and you know it.

You walk up to the young man who asks “why are you following me?” You ask what are you doing?. He replies and you turn to go. Suddenly, you are knocked down and your face smashed into the pavement. You manage to turn over and he grabs your head and smashes the back of it into the concrete. You scream for help. Your shirt rides up and he sees your gun. He grabs for it and you struggle. You manage to shoot him, and then the police arrive.

62 posted on 03/21/2012 1:09:38 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Exactly, Zimmerman is no innocent victim, and those trying to paint him as such are fools.

This rings completely of wanna be cop who tried to bite off more than he could chew, and when it didn’t go his way, he shot the guy.


63 posted on 03/21/2012 1:14:39 PM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: marktwain

Sorry, but Zimmerman lost any chance at self defense when he directly confronted the guy... He created the confrontation. This smacks of neighborhood watch guy who thinks hes a cop, and anyone who’s dealt with these folks knows exactly what I’m talking about, there is always one...

Except this one bit off more than he could chew, and when it didn’t go his way, shot a guy. There is no self defense here because Zimmerman created the situation of his own accord, calling him a victim is nonsense.


64 posted on 03/21/2012 1:19:04 PM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: HamiltonJay; All

“Sorry, but Zimmerman lost any chance at self defense when he directly confronted the guy... He created the confrontation.”

Are you seriously saying that a resident cannot walk up to a stranger in the community and ask him why he is there?

If that is what you are saying, it simply is not true.

Zimmerman had as much right to be in that public space as Martin did.


65 posted on 03/21/2012 1:28:37 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Zimmerman had a right to be there, he didn’t have the right to confront Martin. Zimmerman’s actions directly created the confrontation, you think otherwise you are a fool.

You assume the altercation began with Martin, it didn’t it began with Zimmerman shadowing him, getting out of his car, and confronting him. To claim self defense when you instigated the confrontation is silliness.

He didn’t just say, Hey you, what are you doing? He got out of his car, walked right up to him and confronted him. In fact he had to be so damned close that they could physically touch each other for any altercation to occur. Zimmerman doesn’t have a leg to stand on in a Self Defense argument in my mind.

I think Zimmerman not only confronted Martin, but likely was the first person to make physical contact as well. However either way, claiming stand your ground when you violate someone elses is nonsense.. Zimmerman is no victim, he’s a fool who bit off more than he could chew and then killed a guy when it didn’t go how he wanted.

He clearly created the situation, so to claim self defense is nonsense.


66 posted on 03/21/2012 1:34:38 PM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: massgopguy
Think they’re trying to imply that he’s Jewish?

Or German.

67 posted on 03/21/2012 1:45:06 PM PDT by Darren McCarty (Time for brokered convention)
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To: Myrddin
So he's 6'3? So what. All that proves is that he has a reach advantage in a scrap if he knows what he's doing.

I don't know if this was a racial issue or a "person don't belong in here parts issue" which is apply in a lot of places as there places "outsiders" just don't usually belong.

There was probable cause to ask the question. What escalated the question to a physical altercation is the question.

There wasn't probable cause unless someone with Martin's description was seen breaking into dwellings. Sanford's 30% black. This isn't The Hamptons. Young Black Males aren't out of the ordinary there. There may or may not be reasonable suspicion for a cop to stop and question this person. There is no cause for George Zimmerman to himself detain Martin.

Zimmerman could have talked to him, but if he was aggressive and had bad intentions (possible), Martin had full reason to defend himself. If Zimmerman was the aggressor and got more than he bargained for in response, then he has 'imperfect' self defense at best which is usually a one way ticket to getting dinged for manslaughter. The only way I see Zimmerman possibly beating a manslaughter ding is if he said simply he wanted to talk to him and Martin charged and attacked him. Based on the limited facts I've seen, I don't see that.

As much as I effing despise the race pimps, they may be right on this one thing.

68 posted on 03/21/2012 1:58:54 PM PDT by Darren McCarty (Time for brokered convention)
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To: GOYAKLA
Has anyone been charged yet in the beating death of a FAMU band member? I note the students from FAMU attending the Martin rallies in Seminole Co..

Great question.

Last I heard they were trying to sue the bus company (deep white pockets).

69 posted on 03/21/2012 2:02:34 PM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: sonofagun

So he was suspended. Happened to me before too. So what. What does that have to do with this?


70 posted on 03/21/2012 2:06:17 PM PDT by Darren McCarty (Time for brokered convention)
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To: marktwain
Are you seriously saying that a resident cannot walk up to a stranger in the community and ask him why he is there? If that is what you are saying, it simply is not true. Zimmerman had as much right to be in that public space as Martin did.

He could have asked what he was doing from a distance. Look, if you come into close contact space (ie - your reach), after getting out of your care, with what could very well be interpreted as bad intentions, I'm not going to respond politely. I have no idea who you are. You could be a robber.

I'm going to first try and get out of dodge, like Martin probably did. If I can't get out of dodge, I'm going to use appropriate force to stop the threat beyond all certainty.

71 posted on 03/21/2012 2:18:49 PM PDT by Darren McCarty (Time for brokered convention)
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To: Darren McCarty
Before going on with speculation, read the eyewitness report upthread. Zimmerman was on the ground. Martin was on top of him beating him. Zimmerman was calling for help. A gunshot was heard. Martin was then observed on the ground.
72 posted on 03/21/2012 2:21:46 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Myrddin

It doesn’t matter who was WINNING the fist fight - only who initiated the confrontation and escalated it into violence.

And I say his fat ass shouldn’t be getting into fist fights while armed if he is going to, once losing the fight, pull his gun and kill a kid who went to the store to get candy.


73 posted on 03/21/2012 2:24:56 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to DC to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: allmendream
It matters who escalated the encounter into physical violence. That hasn't been determined. Martin may well have been the only party swinging fists. The coroner will know if Zimmerman landed any punches.
74 posted on 03/21/2012 2:35:01 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Myrddin
What is known doesn't look good for Zimmerman.

He was armed and despite good advice not to, he sought out and confronted a “suspiciously” black young man with the spoken intention of ‘not letting him get away’.

Well Treyvon Martin did not “get away”.

Zimmerman liked to call 9-1-1. A lot. He also apparently liked to use racial slurs, and was recorded doing so on one of his SEVERAL calls to 9-1-1. None of his previous calls to 9-1-1 resulted in arrest. Had he waited for the ACTUAL police in this incident - no arrest would have been made.

75 posted on 03/21/2012 2:40:02 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to DC to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: Darren McCarty
So he was suspended. Happened to me before too. So what. What does that have to do with this?

He probably was a punk a$$ kid with attitude is what it has to do with it.

Of course, maybe he wasn't.

Maybe you were.

There is not yet enough info to make informed decisions as to who's at fault.

76 posted on 03/21/2012 3:49:34 PM PDT by sonofagun (Some think my cynicism grows with age. I like to think of it as wisdom!)
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To: liberalh8ter

Once, a coworker of mine was jumped by another guy near our office as he was walking down the street. Apparently, he got the best of the guy who jumped him, and as the police pulled up, the guy who jumped him began yelling for help. And the police started to arrest this coworker.

Luckily, the whole incident occurred in front of a restaurant filled with witnesses who ran outside to let the police know who the real aggressor was.

IOW, just because someone is yelling for help, that doesn’t mean he wasn’t the aggressor. IMHO, Zimmerman, in his own mind, probably thought he was defending his neighborhood and himself. He probably couldn’t see how his actions indicated otherwise.


77 posted on 03/21/2012 4:51:41 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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To: AppyPappy
I was 5’9”@140 and I was really thin. This kid was supposedly 6’3”@140. Not buying that either.

I hate to break it to ya', but at 5'9", 140 lbs., you weren't all that thin. Which is a good thing. My brother was 5'9" and 120 lbs. and couldn't gain weight. One of my sons weighed 116 lbs. at 5'9". Now he's closer to 5'11" and weighs a whopping 120 lbs. but probably wishes he weighed 140 lbs. He does play sports, too. Martin was known as "Slimm"; he probably was very thin.

78 posted on 03/21/2012 5:02:19 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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To: Tired of Taxes
I can't disagree with what you've said here because none of us were there; including Trayvon's mother. The police say Zimmerman was yelling for help. Another neighborhood watch person reported seeing Trayvon on top of Zimmerman and he had grass on the back of his shirt and a head wound - these things are known. We also know the picture the news keeps flashing of Trayvon is older and doesn't accurately depict his size. Additionally, the media keeps reporting Zimmerman as "white" when he's actually Hispanic. IOW, what we're being told by the media has already been proved to be factually inaccurate. What we're being told by the police and a witness, has not.

There's no denying this situation is a tragedy and that wouldn't change even if Trayvon had a gun or knife. Trayvon had his whole life ahead of him and this shouldn't have happened; regardless of who is at fault here. The point I am trying to make is with Sharpton's insertion in the matter and the media feeding frenzy that has ensued, nothing should be taken at face value here.

79 posted on 03/21/2012 5:20:34 PM PDT by liberalh8ter (Barack has a memory like a steel trap; it's a gift ~ Michelle Obama)
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To: Dead Corpse; Oshkalaboomboom

Y’all get with the program. He’s white if he’s a perp, Hispanic if he’s a victim. Get your racial social consciousness adjusted.


80 posted on 03/21/2012 6:28:43 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: FreedomPoster
My "racial social consciousness" is tied deeply to my Norse Úlfhéðnar roots.

We really don't want that getting loose...


81 posted on 03/21/2012 8:07:06 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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To: Jonty30

So if you walk up to me on the street and ask me what I am doing I can beat you down right then and there because you are the aggressor, right?


82 posted on 03/21/2012 8:16:17 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07

If you’re asking me in a way that I reasonably perceive you as a legitimate threat to my safety, yes.


83 posted on 03/21/2012 10:03:21 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: Jonty30

Sorry, the answer is no. You can not beat somebody down because they ask you a question no matter what you perceive. You can certainly defend yourself if the other guy accosts you physically but you can’t beat down people for asking you a question whether you like their attitude or not. Give it a try though, let me know how the perception defense works out for ya.


84 posted on 03/22/2012 10:17:39 AM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: ClearCase_guy

CNN is reporting that Zimmerman said “F##king C##n” at the beginning of 911 Tapes...

Although nothing can be clearly heard(Sounds more like a muffled heartbeat on an echocardiogram) their audio expect implies it is the F-word.

Reminds me of the so-called “backmasking” of the song Stairway to Heaven by Led Zeppelin.

But instead of “Worship Satan” it’s “F##king C##n”


85 posted on 03/22/2012 12:56:37 PM PDT by RedMonqey (A politician's integrity is usually only as strong as his poll numbers.)
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To: marktwain
“let us imagine it from Zimmerman's perspective”

Let's imagine from the Law's perspective.

Zimmerman was told by the [police to stay out of it, but got out of his car anyway, followed Martin, an underage, presumably innocent citizen who wasn't observed doing anything any other person in that neighborhood could have done on any given day.
Interrupted by non law enforcement individual who was packing heat, an confrontation ensued and Martin was left dying on his front lawn.

Zimmerman had no right to confront, interrogate, or detain anyone. His duty as individual or even community watcher ended when he made the 911 call.
He wasn't defending his property. His life wasn't even threatened until he injected himself in a situation that he had no legal (or moral) responsibility.

People who have fought to have the Second Amendment respected have a duty to call out the idiots who misused a weapon in situations like this. Zimmerman, judging by the 911 tapes was looking for a opportunity to play policeman
Martin was the unfortunate playmate in his fantasy..

86 posted on 03/22/2012 2:19:09 PM PDT by RedMonqey (A politician's integrity is usually only as strong as his poll numbers.)
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