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George Zimmerman's Father: My Son Is Not Racist, Did Not Confront Trayvon Martin
Orlando Sentinel ^ | 3/15/12 | Rene Stutzman

Posted on 03/23/2012 10:06:45 AM PDT by Lmo56

The Sanford Neighborhood Watch volunteer who shot and killed Trayvon Martin, an unarmed black teenager, did not instigate the encounter but has received death threats and moved out of his home, his father told the Orlando Sentinel on Thursday.

George Zimmerman, 28, has not been arrested, something that has put him and the Sanford Police Department at the center of a firestorm. Critics say Trayvon, who was visiting family from his home in Miami, was a victim of racial profiling.

Zimmerman's father, 64-year-old Robert Zimmerman of Lake Mary, delivered a one-page letter to the Sentinel on Thursday, saying that the depiction of his son in the media has been cruel and misleading.

George Zimmerman is Hispanic and grew up in a multiracial family, the statement says.

"He would be the last to discriminate for any reason whatsoever ...," the letter says. "The media portrayal of George as a racist could not be further from the truth."

The letter does not provide details about what happened Feb. 26 on a walkway in the gated community where George Zimmerman lives and where Trayvon was visiting. But it does challenge one basic assumption of the family's lawyers: that Zimmerman's intent when he got out of his sport utility vehicle was to confront Trayvon after calling police to report a suspicious person.

(Excerpt) Read more at orlandosentinel.com ...


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KEYWORDS: georgezimmerman; martin; trayvon; trayvonmartin; zimmerman
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To: MizSterious; AAABEST
"Ping to #26 on this thread—seems you might have missed this information before forming your “opinion.” "

I missed nothing. Zimmerman staged the attack by baiting Martin with filthy racial slurs. Zimmerman knew the kid was unarmed, contrary to what he told the 911 dispatcher about "something in his hand, that was in his waistband", and he was confident he could end the attack at his lesuire by killing Martin after enough witnesses had heard his feigned cries for help. Zimmerman is a murderous, racist scumbag.

51 posted on 03/23/2012 10:54:44 AM PDT by spunkets
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To: Axeslinger

I listened to the full 4 minutes of Zimmerman’s 911 call and it definitely sounded like coons and not at all like punks. It may not be possible to prove he said that but it does sound that way.


52 posted on 03/23/2012 10:55:25 AM PDT by ganesha
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To: rogue yam

I’m just thinking this through, and obviously I don’t know all the “facts”, even though they seem to be quite disputable. Did this altercation happen in on a street in a fancy neighborhood? Or was it on someone’s property?

Let’s say the kid did turn around and confront Zimmerman for following him, and even if he did start taking swings at Zimmerman, is the next logical step is to pull a gun? Unless you are protecting your own property, I don’t think so. Now if the kid was packing, or had a knife, there may have been a reason.

Either way, he used excessive force, to say the least. Guns are not play toys. Did Zimmerman know he was going to kill the boy?


53 posted on 03/23/2012 10:55:30 AM PDT by skinndogNN
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To: jakerobins

They said the same about the Duke lax players when the leftist pigs latched onto him.

These black racist witch hunts have a way of biting the self hating house crackers and diversity racists in the media and inJustice Department in the rear end.

Now the Nation of Islam is threatening to commit racist murders of whites in the town. Zimmerman is not even white. They are inciting race murder over lies.

Wait until the diversity brown racists figure out they are persecuting a brother. Obama is going to be sorry he joined arms with Holder’s retarded people on this mess of lies.


54 posted on 03/23/2012 10:56:33 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: spunkets

Wow, you must have been right there when all this happened, given the details of what you “know”...

what else happened while you were there?


55 posted on 03/23/2012 10:57:17 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free
“This story would be gone yesterday if the deceased victim had been white. In the media, it would have been cut and dry that a 6’-3” white guy was beating on a Hispanic man who shot in self-defense and saved his own threatened life by killing the white man beating on him”

Dead on, and if the MSN somehow mistakenly would have report this under your scenario, they sure wouldn't have been parading around a 5th grade picture of the White guy.

56 posted on 03/23/2012 10:58:00 AM PDT by DAC21
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To: Lmo56
I remember a TV show where the husband and wife were driving along (she had earlier been raped and was still freaked-out) and she suddenly points out a man and screams, "That's him! That's the guy who attacked me." The husband stops the car, gets out, follows the man into a parking garage and kills him. After he comes back to the car, he doesn't say anything to his wife, and starts driving again. Soon, she points to another man and shouts, "That's Him...over there, that's the one!"

Lets get all the facts before we jump to conclusions.

57 posted on 03/23/2012 10:59:08 AM PDT by JPG (Hold on tight; rough road ahead.)
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To: skinndogNN

If the kid was pounding his head against the sidewalk, then yes, Zimmerman had a right to be afraid for his life. And the police report noted Zimmerman was bleeding from the back of his head.


58 posted on 03/23/2012 10:59:59 AM PDT by Mr Rogers ("they found themselves made strangers in their own country")
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To: dfwgator

The same could be said for any issue or cause that the left takes up to further their agenda -

no matter how good or right it might be at its core,
we end up opposing it because we oppose the agenda
that the left is using it to advance.

(alternative energy, healthy food, anti-pollution, etc)


59 posted on 03/23/2012 10:59:59 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: MizSterious

All of 26 is, he said ,he said, all third party, has no meaning. Ie, third party interpretation, fact is the kid, said he was being stalked while he was talking to his girl friend, if zimmerman had taken the operators advice to stay in his vehicle none of this would have happened. If zimmerman did call the kid a “coon” when he gets to the big house his days are numbered.


60 posted on 03/23/2012 11:00:46 AM PDT by org.whodat
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To: ganesha
I never said he said "punks", another poster did

I said there were several articles this morning indicating that voice and recording analysts had cleaned the tape up and tried to determine what was said...and even they could not do so.

Apparently, they are not the mighty SPUNKETS though.

61 posted on 03/23/2012 11:01:12 AM PDT by Axeslinger (Where has my country gone?)
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To: spunkets

Thank God we have omniscient posters like you at FR.

I hope I don’t need the /s.

Talk about a willing AND CREATIVE tool....

Seriously, Hussein/Holder will pay good money of mine for horseclinton like yours, unless they are already.


62 posted on 03/23/2012 11:01:19 AM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: spunkets

I did not hear “coon” on this recording! What are you, some kind of nut?


63 posted on 03/23/2012 11:01:34 AM PDT by MizSterious (Now that Perry's out, I guess I'll just have to vote for "Generic Republican Candidate")
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To: DAC21

The death of a 6’3” white guy couldn’t be used to advance a political agenda, so indeed would have been ignored.


64 posted on 03/23/2012 11:01:45 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Jack Burton007
"I listened to the tape played last night over and over on CNN and to be honest I couldn’t tell what Zimmerman was saying. Even after the news guy told me what I should be hearing I couldn’t hear the word Coon. Neither could my wife.

So I suspect you may be hearing what they told you you should be hearing. just like those UFO shows keep trying to say that what they have pictures of are real UFOs and the ghost shows keep saying they have videos that prove ghosts were around."

Y'all need to have yer hearing checked and lay off the BS.

65 posted on 03/23/2012 11:02:07 AM PDT by spunkets
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To: skinndogNN

Step 1: Admit ignorance.

Step 2: Babble incoherently.

Step 3: Render judgement.

If you are trying to be a commie retard you have got it perfectly.


66 posted on 03/23/2012 11:02:16 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: Outlaw Woman
"I don't know where everyone is getting their facts..."

I do...straight out of the split they're sitting while pontificating and slandering a man they know little to nothing about.

67 posted on 03/23/2012 11:04:44 AM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political party's in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: spunkets
Boy spunkets is going to be pi$$ed when he finds out that his Daughter home from College Spring break, or was that OWS? hijacked his Free Republic password.
68 posted on 03/23/2012 11:04:59 AM PDT by DAC21
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To: spunkets

Listened to it, but didn’t hear what you are stating. Where in that recording are you hearing that word?


69 posted on 03/23/2012 11:06:20 AM PDT by Double Tap
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To: spunkets
Just WHERE on the tape does he say, "Coons", all I heard [derogatory in general] was, "These assholes always get away"

WOW !!! THATS REALLY RACIST !!! /sarc

70 posted on 03/23/2012 11:06:23 AM PDT by Lmo56 (If ya wanna run with the big dawgs - ya gotta learn to piss in the tall grass ...)
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To: Lmo56

Im looking at the report now. Address of the incident? 2831 Retreat View Cir. You can’t make this shit up...


71 posted on 03/23/2012 11:08:07 AM PDT by goseminoles
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To: jakerobins

my my my...looks as if Hispanics are starting to rally around Zimmermann and are pushing back against Al Sharpton.

Democrat Party Armageddon in 3.....2.....1......


72 posted on 03/23/2012 11:09:23 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Lmo56

I understood in earlier reports, conveniently missing now, that George suffered injuries himself. But hey, George is white and Trayvon is black... enough said.


73 posted on 03/23/2012 11:09:37 AM PDT by myrabach
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To: Axeslinger
"Also you must have missed the several articles this morning over those exact allegations. You know, the articles that said numerous voice and recording experts had analyzed and cleaned up the recordings and COULD NOT TELL what was said."

Well damn! Looks like I missed all that BS, because you gobbled it all up. BTW, I am an expert at discriminating the various words and sounds in streams of spoken English. All I needed was the friggin' unenhanced tape in this case.

"You might not want to spout your drivel too much more...it's making you look uninformed."

You might want to enhance yer BS some, so at least some idiots will believe it.

74 posted on 03/23/2012 11:09:53 AM PDT by spunkets
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To: Outlaw Woman

Yup, I think you’re right. And hard to believe some of these freepers are so happy to help them! One of them posted a link to the tape, claiming Zimmerman called Martin a “coon.” Nothing I heard on the tape sounded at all like that word!! Pants on fire alert!


75 posted on 03/23/2012 11:10:07 AM PDT by MizSterious (Now that Perry's out, I guess I'll just have to vote for "Generic Republican Candidate")
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To: AAABEST; All
If you watch the video report at the MyFoxOrlando link in your comment, you can see that the eyewitness to the incident had a clear view from about twenty feet away. He would have been the closest possible resident to the incident.

The fight and shooting took place on a walkway between the backs of two parallel rows of townhouses. The area was clear of obstructions.

76 posted on 03/23/2012 11:10:20 AM PDT by kristinn (Dump the Chump in 2012)
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To: spunkets
Or, more likely "POS" ~ but we digress. Living here in the DC area it was possible for me to find out what current Hispanic parlance for "black folk" is, and among their "youts', "coon" is commonly heard. I don't know why but it is.

So, you might ask, why is that relevant ~ and I"d let you know that "Zimmerman" spent his 'yout" in Manassas Virginia, which has long since been a quite multi-racial (blacks, whites, asians, hispanics, etc.) community!

I"d thought it unlikely an hispanic would use a term like that but there you have it. Again, that's my sources among the multi-racial yout' of NOVA, and they ought to know.

77 posted on 03/23/2012 11:11:00 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Lmo56

That is what I heard as well.


78 posted on 03/23/2012 11:11:36 AM PDT by Double Tap
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To: skinndogNN

“Did this altercation happen in on a street in a fancy neighborhood?”

From what I read the neighborhood is not fancy just because it is a gated one. They have a 49% white, 51% black and Hispanic makeup. They have had a large amount of crime recently in this neighborhood which is why they started a neighborhood watch program.

In FL they have two laws that give the right to self defense up to and including deadly force. If you feel you are in danger of being harmed then you can use deadly force to stop the altercation. The DOJ shows that more people are killed each year by beatings and kickings than are killed by guns or knives. So being beaten is grounds for deadly force if you feel the beating is becoming life threatening.

That is what the MSM really is trying to do here. They are trying to outlaw the Stand your Ground laws passed in over 21 states. We as gun rights supporters have won too many of our rights back and they just can’t take that.

From what I have heard by talking with some cops I know, Martin was suspended from school for 5 days because he was involved in gang activity. They keep showing pictures of Trayvon as a angel faced kid. He was 6’2” tall and a foot ball player at his High School. He was more than a match for Zimmerman. He was also said to have escaped Zimmerman but when Zimmerman was going back to his truck Martin rushed out and knocked him to the ground. Then he got on top of him and was beating him in the face. It was only then that Zimmerman pulled his gun and shot Martin.

If things happen as they normally do, the facts will leak out. If the facts aren’t as the MSM is playing them then this will be proof that the MSM is trying to stir up a lynch mob. The only reason I can think why they would do this is they might believe it would help Obama in the 2012 election. It would help bring back the “white guilt” felt by so many liberals and, from what I see on these threads” some RINO conservatives too.

It surprises me how many RINO liberal “conservatives” we have here on FR.


79 posted on 03/23/2012 11:12:12 AM PDT by Jack Burton007 (This is Jack Burton in the Pork Chop Express, and I'm talkin' to whoever's listenin' out there.)
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To: MizSterious

Mother jones .com has Zimmerman’s 911 call and the 911 calls of 4 witnesses posted on their site.


80 posted on 03/23/2012 11:12:24 AM PDT by ganesha
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To: SZonian

LOL..what an unusual but tactful way to put that!

Hope things are well with you these days SZ.


81 posted on 03/23/2012 11:12:46 AM PDT by Outlaw Woman (The biggest Hate group in America is located in the White House, Congress & DOJ)
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To: goseminoles
I'm looking at the report now.

Details of the report ???

82 posted on 03/23/2012 11:12:48 AM PDT by Lmo56 (If ya wanna run with the big dawgs - ya gotta learn to piss in the tall grass ...)
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To: FReepaholic

the 911 tape contained screams. When this tape was played for the boys ( 17 years old, 6’2” 190 pounds of him )father, the father stated the screams were not from his son. A witness saw the black man on top of zimmerman punching him repeatedly in the face, while zimmerman screamed for help... zimmermans face was bloody and bruised, and the back of his head was bleeding... now add all this together and what do you have?

You have a guy approaching a 6’2” suspended from school black man in a hoodie, and upon initial confrontation the black man attacks, for whatever reason you wish to insert here....knocks down the neighborhood watch guy and starts beating the crap out of him.... only thing not accounted for is the fact that the neighborhood watch guy was armed.

Conclusion, the thug picked the wrong guy to attack.


83 posted on 03/23/2012 11:13:56 AM PDT by joe fonebone (Project Gunwalker, this will make watergate look like the warm up band......)
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To: Jack Burton007
So many on here who usually don’t trust the MSM have jumped the shark and now believe every word the MSM has printed on this subject.

Yea, go figure........and little mention of the wound on the back of his head, his bloodied face and wet grass stains on the back of his shirt.

Probably just finished playing a game of touch football........yea, that's what it was.

84 posted on 03/23/2012 11:14:45 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco (No matter what you post here, someone's going to get pissed off......)
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To: spunkets
Well here's hit #1 from CNN after a 2-second google search:

"Heated debate has erupted over whether Zimmerman used a racial slur during the 911 call, a recording of which was released this week. "We didn't hear it. However, I am not sure what was said," said Sgt. David Morgenstern of the Sanford Police Department. "I have listened to the tapes, and I have not heard them use a racial slur," concurred City Manager Norton Bonaparte. A top CNN audio engineer enhanced the sound of the 911 call, and several members of CNN's editorial staff repeatedly reviewed the tape but could reach no consensus on whether Zimmerman used a racial slur."

Dumb@ss...

85 posted on 03/23/2012 11:14:57 AM PDT by Axeslinger (Where has my country gone?)
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To: ganesha
I listened to the full 4 minutes of Zimmerman’s 911 call ...

You got a link - or do we have to take your divine word for it ???

86 posted on 03/23/2012 11:15:06 AM PDT by Lmo56 (If ya wanna run with the big dawgs - ya gotta learn to piss in the tall grass ...)
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To: Lmo56

Does anyone else think that after the dust settles that Hussein will be calling for another beer summit? Not that he would but still.


87 posted on 03/23/2012 11:15:16 AM PDT by bgill
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To: jakerobins
Depends on his tats. He used to live in Manassas VA. There are MS13 gang members out there.

We need to know more about him to see if he'd survive in prison.

88 posted on 03/23/2012 11:16:01 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: kristinn

what time did this happen?

What night? (school night?)

What was the 17 year old doing at that time, in that neighborhood? (was it on the way to his house?)

All we hear is that poor innocent kid went out for skittles...


89 posted on 03/23/2012 11:16:43 AM PDT by Mr. K (If Romney wins the primary, I am writing-in PALIN)
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To: kristinn

what time did this happen?

What night? (school night?)

What was the 17 year old doing at that time, in that neighborhood? (was it on the way to his house?)

All we hear is that poor innocent kid went out for skittles...


90 posted on 03/23/2012 11:16:43 AM PDT by Mr. K (If Romney wins the primary, I am writing-in PALIN)
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To: MizSterious

Right. I’ve heard he said punk...but perhaps the fire spread from pants to the ears.


91 posted on 03/23/2012 11:16:52 AM PDT by Outlaw Woman (The biggest Hate group in America is located in the White House, Congress & DOJ)
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To: MizSterious
"I did not hear “coon” on this recording! "

It's at 2:22-2:22 on the tape. It's muttered right after "the back entrance". He mutters to himself as he's running, "f'n coons".

"What are you, some kind of nut?"

Yes, I'm a gun nut. Zat OK with you?

92 posted on 03/23/2012 11:17:35 AM PDT by spunkets
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To: Axeslinger
IT's pretty clearly a more modern explitive ~ POS ~ one I am sure most Freepers know. If you didn't you probably wouldn't be listening for it on that recording, or any other for that matter.

So, do you know what POS refers to?

93 posted on 03/23/2012 11:20:32 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: org.whodat

One thing in your comment I’ve been thinking about since this story came out in the media.

Martin was on the phone with his girl friend the entire time. He called her back after he lost signal when he was running and hiding from Zimmerman.

My thought on this is, if Martin was feeling threatened by Zimmerman, why did he stay on the phone with a teen age girl instead of calling his father just a few houses away or the cops to come to his aid?

Also, why does the media only show us pictures of Martin as a young boy? Why do they only show us pictures of Zimmerman that appear as a arrest photo?

Martin was 6’ 2” and a football player. From what I have heard from some cops I know, he was staying with his dad because he got suspended for 5 days from his school. The reason for the suspension was because of gang involvement supposedly.

I think I will wait and see what comes out and from where before I start tying a hangman’s noose for Zimmerman.

The only eye witness account sides with Zimmerman’s account.


94 posted on 03/23/2012 11:21:04 AM PDT by Jack Burton007 (This is Jack Burton in the Pork Chop Express, and I'm talkin' to whoever's listenin' out there.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

This is the future of California.

You are going to have a large hispanic majority that isn’t sharing and playing nice with others the way the old Christian white men did when they have a monopoloy on power.

You are going to have a permanent black underclass with new heights of bitterness upon realizing they have it worse now with the new hispanic majority flexing its political muscles. They will protest vehemently and remind the hispanics that at least the whites gave them preferences and affirmative action and stuff.

The new hispanic majority will tell them to take a hike and move back to Africa if they don’t like it.

The end result is not going to be pretty.

You can mark my words or not, but if you do, I’m going to look like a prophet in 30 years.


95 posted on 03/23/2012 11:21:15 AM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (REPEAL OBAMACARE. Nothing else matters.)
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To: spunkets

OK, at 2:22 in the link you provided Zimmerman says under his breath, “F’ing punks”, then the 911 dispacther asked if he is following.

If he had in fact said “coons”, don’t you think the 911 dispatcher would have reacted?


96 posted on 03/23/2012 11:21:22 AM PDT by Double Tap
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To: Lmo56
"Just WHERE on the tape does he say, "Coons""

At t~2:21-2:22. See#92.

97 posted on 03/23/2012 11:21:41 AM PDT by spunkets
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To: spunkets
Pal, I used to be a sound technician for a ten piece band. Even at my age now, my ears are still pretty well tuned, and I can tell you that f*cking coon is not clear on that tape by any stretch of the imagination. The second word, if it is one, is completely unintelligible, and the first word, again, if it is a word, may sound like f*cking but it could also simple be a guttural sound since he just stopped running. It simply is not clear and with all the technology that the media has at it's disposal, even they can't stand by such an assertion.

People are hearing what they want to hear and it's that simple.

98 posted on 03/23/2012 11:22:20 AM PDT by csense
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To: spunkets

I did not hear the word “coon” on the tape and I am used to hearing the word as I am called coon all the time.


99 posted on 03/23/2012 11:22:26 AM PDT by coon2000 (Give me Liberty or give me death!)
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To: Outlaw Woman
Been laying relatively low lately. The incivility on FR is reaching a level I never would have thought possible.

"Hope things are well with you these days..."

And you as well OW.

See ya around campus...

100 posted on 03/23/2012 11:23:29 AM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political party's in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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